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 [quote="Quailman"]The first list is in alphabetical order, and seemingly pretty obvious: [b]ALOE ANUS ARES ASS CLIP COLD HINT [strike]NOW[/strike] IF NO RIOT SHOE SIT[/b] The next list might be alphabetical - nothing obvious for the 2nd and 3rd, and the last item contradicts itself... [b]APRONS[/b] Data Taught [b]ERATO HELP THERE AREN'T ANY[/b] [edited for following post] I should have noticed that NOW - NO are not alphabetical.[/e][/quote]
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Quailman
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:52 pm    Post subject: 1

COUNTESS = CUTS + ONES
Jack_Ian
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: 0

THEOREMS = TERM + HOES
APIARY = AIR + PAY
HAIL = HI + AL
Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: -1

I guess you could do that, but that is less fun.

The intention was to take the 2 new words, HIS and CAR, and follow the puzzle format of alternating letters to get CHAIRS.
ralphmerridew
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:34 pm    Post subject: -2

You can anagram the first letters to spell "CHAIRS".
Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:33 pm    Post subject: -3

Also, these won't lead you to another clue like the actual puzzle, but since I did the work to find them:

Promotional notice
You fill a balloon with it
Bundy or Gore
Beer
Every
Transport to school
Slices
Before
No longer here
Possesses
Hello
Uses a cultivating tool
Allow
Top of a can
Shouts heard at a bullfight
Dollar bills
Columbite, sphalerite, etc.
Give money
3.1416
I Love You, Man's Paul
Sports team from Arizona
A President may serve one of these

Most depressed
Proven ideas
Female aristocrat
A car you'd hate to ride in
Where you keep bees
Feature of some candies
Kind of gene
Took care of the bill
Joined, united
A form of precipitation
How some soccer games end
On punishment
Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: -4

Excellent work again. One last step to the final solution.
Oscar
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:04 pm    Post subject: -5

2nd list:
HAIRNETS = ARES + HINT
INFO = IF + NO
SCHOOLED = COLD + SHOE
CALLIOPE = ALOE + CLIP
ASSIST = ASS +SIT
RAIN OUTS = ANUS + RIOT

NB these are formed from alternate picks from source words:
e.g. HAIRNETS = HINT (1,3,5,7) + ARES (2,4,6,8)
ralphmerridew
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject: -6

There are 12 items in the first list and 6 in the second; maybe 2 in the first correspond to 1 in the second?

From the revised clues, "NOW" should be "IF".
Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:34 pm    Post subject: -7

Only NOW is incorrect from the first list, but it does fit the clue perfectly. I've modified.
Quailman
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:30 pm    Post subject: -8

The first list is in alphabetical order, and seemingly pretty obvious:

ALOE
ANUS
ARES
ASS
CLIP
COLD
HINT
NOW IF
NO
RIOT
SHOE
SIT

The next list might be alphabetical - nothing obvious for the 2nd and 3rd, and the last item contradicts itself...

APRONS
Data
Taught
ERATO
HELP
THERE AREN'T ANY

[edited for following post] I should have noticed that NOW - NO are not alphabetical.[/e]
Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:30 pm    Post subject: -9

Hopefully this one will go better...no promises:

Plant whose juices are used as skin ointment
Opening of the alimentary canal
Greek god of war
Donkey
A small piece of a movie
Not hot
Clue
Precedes "then" logically, follows "what" fancifully
Not yes
Violent public disorder
Wedge or mule
Take a seat

Some wear these in the kitchen
Data
Taught
A muse
Aid
Quailman
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:47 am    Post subject: -10

Scurra wrote:
I think that Quailman's answer doesn't really work either (but it has a slightly better justification.)

Suspence
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:41 am    Post subject: -11

The intended answer was indeed DESSERT. ACCENTUATED = STRESSED which follows the puzzle format to make DESSERT.

Since you had been finding words that minus the first letters were other words spelled backward, I thought the leap from ACCENTUATED to find another word that would work similarly was decent, especially since I provided the word length.

Extra points for coming up with POSITIVE and having someone support it as correct. That means you did a good job and the puzzle was less than optimal.
Scurra
Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:03 am    Post subject: -12

OK, that does actually seem pretty good to me having thought about it a bit more - although I agree with ralphmerridew that Q's answer is perversely wrong.
Does the second set of clues hint at the pair in any way? (This may be my obsession with elegance and obfuscation of course.)
ralphmerridew
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: -13

I think that Quailman's answer would be better as either STRESSED or DESSERT. But you seem to be indicating he's not even close...[/spoiler]
Scurra
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: -14

Hmmm. Well, I don't get anything from your spoiler text either - since as far as I can see, my answer fits your final clue perfectly well (and ralphmerridew seemed to think the same thing.)

It's true that it is a largely unsatisfactory answer upon consideration (in terms of derivation and structure.) I think that Quailman's answer doesn't really work either (but it has a slightly better justification.)
Quailman
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: -15

DESSERTS?
Suspence
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: -16

That wasn't the intended answer, no wonder I didn't get anything from the spoilertext. Keep thinking. I said that the final clue is for an eight-letter word, not that the solution is an eight-letter word. Think about as "ACCENTUATED (8)"
ralphmerridew
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: -17

Nice puzzle! (Also, Scurra gave the answer in spoilertext.)

The first twelve lines clue five letter words:
ALIAS, COMMA, CREEP, ENEMA, NAVAL, TRIAL, UMAMI, ATLAS, TILED, EPEES, DEBUTS.
Remove the first letter and reverse, and you get the answers for the next twelve lines (shuffled):
SAIL, LAIR, IMAM, DELI, AMEN, LAVA, SALT, TUBE, PEER, SEEP, AMMO.

The removed letters spell ACCENTUATED, and the song lyric is to "accentuate the positive".
Suspence
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:17 pm    Post subject: -18

Not sure if I could have mixed it up any more that I did, and still allowed you to arrive at the final clue. I guess I could have left it as an anagram.

So, what do you have for the solution?
Scurra
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: -19

I'm pretty sure I've got this one. No, I'm positive I have.
I think mixing the clue list up might have made it little more difficult.
Suspence
Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:35 pm    Post subject: -20

No fancy story this time, just a basic puzzle that should lead to a one-word anwer. I'd like to try this without word lengths and see how it goes.

Pseudonym
A punctuation mark
TLC or STP song
One solution for constipation
Pertaining to ships, not your bellybutton
Takes place in a courtroom
One of the five basic tastes
Book of maps
Like most bathroom floors
Fencing weapons
First appearance
Take a yacht
A villian's secret hideout
Where they prepare your cold cuts at a supermarket
Prayer ending
Magma
Seasoning, or Jolie flick
Hollow cylinder
A person of equal standing to you
Flow slowly
What you need in order to reload

The final clue is for an eight-letter word