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 [quote="Thok"]I'm pretty sure it's SOUTH BEND in the first 5+4 and we need to find something else to handle DEATH STAR. South Bend is a fairly famous city in Indiana (where the University of Notre Dame is).[/quote]
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gftt*
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:59 pm    Post subject: 1

Crossword is finished. Won't be able to look at the numbers for the rest of the weekend, but if anyone wants to have a go at them in the meantime, go right ahead.
Thok
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: 0

gftt* wrote:
Yup, that's working. Anyone with bright ideas on how extraction would work if this gets completed?

We've got a lot of caesar shift numbers. Turn them into letters, possibly caesar shifting them to deal with the fact that we might be off a constant.

(Alternatively, look at the shift from clue to answer.)
gftt*
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: -1

Yup, that's working. Anyone with bright ideas on how extraction would work if this gets completed?
gftt*
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:13 pm    Post subject: -2

Thok wrote:
gftt* wrote:
I have several of the long clues down but they don't fit with one another.

Do they fit when you uncaesar shift the answer to fit with the question?

No... however, after trying a few it might be the case that you caesar shift these answer words by yet another number. Caesar shifting the answers would also provide one reason why there is a given letter in the grid.
Thok
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 5:40 am    Post subject: -3

gftt* wrote:
I have several of the long clues down but they don't fit with one another.

Do they fit when you uncaesar shift the answer to fit with the question?
gftt*
Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:39 pm    Post subject: -4

I have several of the long clues down but they don't fit with one another.
gftt*
Posted: Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: -5

Started in on translating clues here:

gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:11 pm    Post subject: -6

This might be useful:
http://www.unfiction.com/resource/rot-it/

It Caesar shifts by all numbers at once.
novice
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:34 pm    Post subject: -7

Obviously the clues are caesar enciphered. I don't know if there's a system behind what shift distances are used or if that is something to use later for answer extraction. At any rate it should be easy enough to decipher the individual clues by trial and error.
gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:10 pm    Post subject: -8

Possibly. If anyone wants to revisit Treasure Island I can give a small hint.

But the next one is one I should be able to help with (modulo an initial aha). Presenting Caesar's Palace.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: -9

Shall we move on for lack of progress?
novice
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:18 pm    Post subject: -10

Suspence wrote:
Is there a spreadsheet we're collaborating on for this one? Seems like that would be a good format for the work on this one. I've got my own Excel sheet started.

Here's a shared and editable google docs spreadsheet version of Treasure Island.

I'm going to try my luck in a private copy for a bit first, since it seems to be a jigsaw.
gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:57 pm    Post subject: -11

Looking back also reminded me that This Page Intentionally Left Blank is still unsolved. You can check the last few pages to see what progress novice (primarily) has made.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:05 pm    Post subject: -12

Is there a spreadsheet we're collaborating on for this one? Seems like that would be a good format for the work on this one. I've got my own Excel sheet started.
gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:59 pm    Post subject: -13

Indeed.

Next up is Treasure Island. It's a good puzzle, but I'm unsure of whether it is good one for collaboration on a message board. Nevertheless, you may as well give it a shot.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:30 am    Post subject: -14

Found the connection - lots of coastal cities, with dates in hurricane season.

The clue gives the date, the incorrect city in the clue is where a hurricane hit on that date.

STAN - Punta Hualaxtoc - 10/2/05
TICO - Sinaloa - 10/19/83
EMILY
PALOMA
HUGO
EARL
NEWTON

ALLISON
LILI
EDITH
CAMILLE

WILMA
IRENE
?
LENNY
IVAN
ALEX
MARTY

DENNIS
ANDREW
NORMA
IRENE
ELLA
LANE

STEPHEN ALEC WILLIAM DANIEL

Call in BALDWIN

In hopes that this is correct, what's next?
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:58 am    Post subject: -15

About 85% done, and it now occurs to me I should have probably narrowed these down to individual dates. Bah!

EDIT: Going back through, it seems the date is important. Everything is between August and November.

EDIT 2: Not everything actually. I've run into a June and July as well.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:15 am    Post subject: -16

OK, just gonna work through it and see what hits me (or the rest of you)

Cardinals defeat 49ers 31-14 in Punta Hualaxtoc in first regular-season game outside the United States - MEXICO CITY - 10/2/2005
Hudson Austin forms new Sinaloan military government - GRENADIAN - 10/19/1983
HMS Mercury decommissioned in formal ceremony in Cape Hatteras - ? - 8/31/1993
Four days after the election, votes still being counted for Franken-Coleman race in the Cayman Islands - MINNESOTA - 11/8/2008
"God Bless America" composer dies at 101 in his home at Isle of Palms - NEW YORK CITY - 9/22/1989
Christchurch, Nova Scotia struck by 7.1 magnitude earthquake; no deaths were reported - NEW ZEALAND - 9/4/2010
Golden Girls share Emmys with Cagney & Lacey at Cabo San Lucas award ceremony - PASADENA - 9/21/1986

First Bose-Einstein condensate produced at the Joint Institute for Laboratory Astrophysics in Alligator Point - BOULDER - 6/5/1995
Deadliest toll yet: Beltway Sniper kills five people in Intracoastal City - MONTGOMERY COUNTY? - 10/2/2002
Prisoners riot and seize control of Attica Correctional Facility in Cabo Gracias a Dios - ATTICA, NY - 9/9/1971
The Who plays at the Woodstock Music Festival in New Orleans - BETHEL, NY - 8/17/1969

National civil rights activist Parks dies peacefully in Cape Romano at the age of 92 - DETROIT - 10/24/2005
Dodgers win World Series after 9-3 win over White Sox in Pensacola - CHICAGO - 10/8/1959
Tom Powers scores six touchdowns in historic Everglades game - RICHMOND - 10/21/1950
A&M annual bonfire collapses, killing 12 in St. Martin - COLLEGE STATION - 11/18/1999
Gulf Shores becomes the fifth jurisdiction in Canada to legalize same-sex marriage - MANITOBA - 9/16/2004
Pedestal of the historic Outer Banks Statue of Liberty monument reopens to visitors after three years - NEW YORK CITY - 8/3/2004
Student kills two in tragic shooting at Rocori High School, Puerto Penasco - COLD SPRING, MN - 9/24/2003

Four suicide bombers kill 52 and injure more than 700 on the Cuban public transport system - LONDON - 7/7/2005
Four professors killed by mechanical engineering professor Fabrikant in Homestead, Florida university shooting - MONTREAL, QUEBEC - 8/24/1992
Balloon lands in Mazatlan, ending its record-breaking 2,515 mile journey from Costa Mesa - BLACKBEARD ISLAND, GA - 10/11/1981
National Geographic magazine announces Archaeoraptor fossil discovery at Cape Sable press conference - WASHINGTON, DC - 10/15/1999
National Defense Education Act signed in Santiago de Cuba - ? - 9/2/1958
Viamala tunnel crash claims nine Sinaloans in bus/car collision - SWISS - 9/16/2006
gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:24 am    Post subject: -17

Suspence wrote:
Nope...haven't looked at anything. I'll try to catch up here.

Looks like we're waiting on a confirmation and new puzzle. Any unsolved ones I should peruse while we wait (rather than going back and reading the whole thread?)

NIGHT was confirmed correct. We're on the Casino puzzles now... Stratosphere to be precise. I know how most of the casinos work, so I'm facilitating until we get to one I can help with.
Suspence
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: -18

Nope...haven't looked at anything. I'll try to catch up here.

Looks like we're waiting on a confirmation and new puzzle. Any unsolved ones I should peruse while we wait (rather than going back and reading the whole thread?)
gftt*
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:10 am    Post subject: -19

Maybe now that Suspence is back things can get going in this thread again. Or did he look at all the solutions too?
Thok
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:16 am    Post subject: -20

None of the locations in Stratosphere seem to be correct. For example, Rosa Parks died in Detroit, not Cape Romano, and the A&M bonfire collapse was presumably in College Station, not St. Martin.
novice
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: -21

Aegean sea - blue 24 white - N
Bothnian Baltic sea - black 1 yellow - I
Carribean sea - yellow 5 blue - G
Dead sea - red 1 white - H
East China sea - blue 1 white 1 red - W/T

Call in Night

Edit: crosspost
gftt*
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:55 am    Post subject: -22

Good: NIGHT. (Sorry.)

The blue circles represent seas - for instance, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Finland all border the Baltic. This clues the nautical flags and also gives the sort order (since the seas are the Aegean, Baltic, Caribbean, Dead, and East China). My team debated for quite a long time over whether to loosen the definition of "bordering" and searching for flags of international organizations containing the given countries before seeing the nautical connection, so I'm glad you were able to sidestep that quickly.

OK, that's the last thief puzzle from Ocean's 11 that we can do, since Casino Lobdell was an event.

On to the casino puzzles; you can see them across the top of the main Ocean's 11 page. The way this worked - each member of the 11 is linked to 2-3 casinos. For instance, Carl Reiner/Saul Bloom/Vertexillonomy links to Stratosphere and Aria. When his puzzle got solved, new parts of the Stratosphere and Aria puzzles were revealed. For instance, three of the four blocks of clues in Stratosphere were initially unseen; each solve opened one new block.

We (meaning you) can look at Stratosphere next. I won't say whether the answers from the thief puzzles feeding into this casino puzzle are needed or not, but you have NIGHT from Carl Reiner and I'll tell you that George Clooney's puzzle has the answer BORG, since I don't think we'll be looking at that one. Brad Pitt's puzzle is the ...Left Blank one that novice is still working on so you'll have to work without that bit of info.
esme
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:37 am    Post subject: -23

novice wrote:

Call in Night and Thing

Well yes, this would work, but you might take the trouble to figure out what the blue circles represent.
novice
Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:12 am    Post subject: -24

I think these values may be correct:
v=5
w=3
x=12
y=2
z=4
I had x=8 from the greek flag, but the numbers work out with x=12.

In which case the five blue circles contain:
blue 1 white 1 red - W/T
yellow 5 blue - G
blue 24 white - N*
red 1 white - H
black 1 yellow - I

The letters are from mapping these circles to the flag alphabet. Not sure where we get the sort order, but the letters anagram to NIGHT and THING.
*Two rectangles only touching at corners are apparently counted as having separate boundaries - I guess that explains the Greek flag issue too.

Call in Night and Thing
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:38 pm    Post subject: -25

The bottommost group should be the flags of Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Germany, with z=4 and a flag with black and yellow colours in the blue circle.
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:30 pm    Post subject: -26

Jordan seems most promising, it leads us back to Israel for the (blue 12 e) circle, so e is white.

That also gives us (black, white 2 green, f=red) as Syria:

So in the blue circle we're looking for white and red, bordering Israel and Jordan, with y-(x-(v+w))/z connections. Since y = 2 this means at most 2 connections.
"Bordering" seems to be loosely defined. Bahrain and Turkey are two possibilities. Bahrain:
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:21 pm    Post subject: -27

Fourth group:

white 34 green: Saudi Arabia, I presume.

red, green, black and white: United Arab Emirates, y = 1

Or Jordan, with y = 2
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 10:01 pm    Post subject: -28

The only yellow and blue flag with lots of boundaries that I can think of is the EU flag, and I'm not sure what that has to do with the Carribean. So moving on to the third group:

red 9 yellow: Macedonia

red 3 black: Albania

white x a: Greece, a = blue, x = 8

red 2 white: Turkey

b 2 red blue green: Azerbaijan, b = white

white 8 red: Georgia

The blue circle: Israel, v+w+x+y+z-(z-w)y = 12 (there are white stripes at the top and bottom of the flag as well)
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:28 pm    Post subject: -29

For the second group of flags, the green, yellow, black one could be Jamaica:

The one to the left of it could be Cuba, giving c=blue:

Lower left could be Panama, yielding w=3:

Pencilling in the one above Panama as Colmbia, with d=yellow:

Lower right is St. Kitts and Nevis:

The one to the right is Puerto Rico:

So we need something with (v/y + (x-wz))y boundaries between blue and yellow, bordering all these countries/territories.
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:26 pm    Post subject: -30

First group of flags:
China (giving v=5) - Burma - Thailand - Malaysia
X - Japan? - Indonesia

The X then has colors i=blue, j=white, k=red and probably borders China and Japan, so I think it is North Korea:

Giving xy-vz-w = 2 and x/y - yw + v - z = 8 4.
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:17 pm    Post subject: -31

L'lanmal wrote:
Vexillology is the study of flags. Perhaps the circles each represent countries, the lines between circles adjacencies/borders, the colors represent colors on their flags, and the internal edges the color adjacencies/number of transitions?

Aha!

Yeah I think you pretty much nailed it. The circle with the numbers 2,4,5, and 13 could be the flag of Malaysia:

The i represents the color blue, then. The numbers represent the number of boundaries between those two colors in the flag.

The circle to the upper left of Malaysia is then neighbouring Thailand:
L'lanmal
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:25 pm    Post subject: -32

Vexillology is the study of flags. Perhaps the circles each represent countries, the lines between circles adjacencies/borders, the colors represent colors on their flags, and the internal edges the color adjacencies/number of transitions?

Otherwise, I note that while the numbers appear to go to 34, if we read those as 3 and 4, then only digits 1-5 appear.
gftt*
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: -33

OK, cool. Holler if you want a small hint.
novice
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:09 pm    Post subject: -34

gftt* wrote:
Nobody's interested in this one? It really is a good puzzle.

I'm interested but still waiting for an aha moment...
Thok
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:04 am    Post subject: -35

Some early observations:
a-k should be colors, and no color seems to be connected to the same color. There seem to be six colors (red,blue,yellow,green, white, black).

v,w,x,y,z should be positive integers, as should the the other expressions involving them.
gftt*
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:50 am    Post subject: -36

Nobody's interested in this one? It really is a good puzzle.
gftt*
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:36 pm    Post subject: -37

All but the extraction is done. The extraction will involve finding topologically trivial loops and probably is not all that interesting to people who don't like topology, and it is definitely not able to be done online. I'll finish it off at some point if nobody else does but we can start looking at the next puzzle.

That next one is Vertexillology - I did a fair amount of work on this one (after others got the aha(s)) and endorse it heartily! It should be a good one to do on the board. Enjoy!
gftt*
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:02 am    Post subject: -38

They do not form a cube. I have no idea what they form, actually, but it seems that the bottom of the first grid connects to the left side of the same grid.