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| firemeboy |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 7:13 pm Post subject: 1 |
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| Sorry, didn't start a new weeks topic. My bad. I will do so now. |
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| GUITARPRO#1 |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 5:12 am Post subject: 0 |
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| I believe that nature and nurture are too close to say one has more weight than the other. I would also like to point out an interesting point with our weapons in war. I have read a few articles and watched some news reports on the technology in our war, it is amazing. Our weapons are so accurate now but the thing that constantly stays the same is human error. You may be able to hit within so many feet of where the bomb is programed to hit and it is 100% accurate but if someone programs the wrong coordinates in than the whole situation goes down hill. The bomb is still accurate, only to the wrong coordinates. Technology is also involved in politics as far as the exchange of technologies to aid in war from country to country. |
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| allstate |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 2:18 am Post subject: -1 |
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It might be a little late, but Im interested to know everyone's opinions on the gender issue, is it nature or nurture? I believe both are influencing factors, but honestly, I tend to lean towards the nature side of things. Yes men can do things women can't and vice versa-
(especially on the issue of computers being dominated by men)
[This message has been edited by allstate (edited 04-06-2003 10:21 PM).] |
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| chocolate |
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2003 2:08 am Post subject: -2 |
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| With our capability to email everyone, we seem to have lost the art of writing letters. I certainly use email alot because it is so much faster. But I think we are missing out on true letter writing. Reading a hand written letter from a friend or loved one is much more personal than a cold email. We are losing the "personal" touch by emailing instead of writing a letter or picking up the phone to personally speak with someone. This technology is progress, but we lose a lot to gain some. |
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| karrots |
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2003 5:12 pm Post subject: -3 |
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What Kerioth brought up is an interesting note. At my house my dad emails me all the time (I live at home) but usually its when he is at work and I am at school. Even then mostlly its just URLs for me to check out. But what I wanted to bring up is technology and our obsession with it has definately changed the way we communicate.
While at work a few weeks ago I was talking to a woman who had AIM on her work computer. She was telling me the only thing she uses it for is to communicate with her son when he is home on the computer blocking the phoneline. It was interesting because I had never thought about how we end up inadertanly blocking ways of communicating and then we must adapt. I guess it was a little shocking because I neve thought about blocking the phone as I have Broadband now and had a second line ever sense AOL put the World Wide Web into their services (I was a big BBSer before then but not enough to warrant a second line).
I am amazed at how adaptive we are as human beings. My CS teacher last semester said many times easier to adapt ourself than to adapt our computers.
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| Kerioth |
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:46 pm Post subject: -4 |
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On a separate note: A few days ago I received an e-mail that made me wonder whether technology was having a positive or negative effect on my family.
The e-mail was from my mother, sent to myself and my siblings. She had found an old diary of hers about the house and wanted to share the experience with us. I was very happy to be able to read about this, but I found it sad that she had to let all of us know by e-mail, since I am the only one currently living away from home.
Every child now owns their own computer; half bought personally, the other half gifts. Excepting mine (since it's up here at Weber with me) the computers live in one room together, all networked and loudly humming away.
Is this the ideal of a technologically based family, or one that is drawing apart from one another via the net?
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| Beebs |
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 11:24 pm Post subject: -5 |
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| I would have to agree with allstate and lsolder74. we have put up with saddams crap for way too long and it is time we do something about it. There are alot of people over in Iraq that are suffering and dying because of the horrible torture Saddam has put them through. No human deserves to be treated that way. |
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| Isolder74 |
Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2003 5:32 pm Post subject: -6 |
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To those who say that Bush didn't give the UN a chance....
The UN did nothing the first time Saddam threw out the Inspectors when they started to find things. At the time our President was Bill Clinton and he barely raised a protest. Saddam has defied the world community for years now. He has voilated the terms of the ceasefire after the Gulf War. trufully the Gulf War never ended it simply stopped. |
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| GUITARPRO#1 |
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:34 am Post subject: -7 |
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Ok- I found my information,
Here is an example of how the internet is a tool for political views A few days ago a group of hackers known as The Freedom Cyberforce Malitia broke into an internet provider (I think Networld) located right here in Utah and used it to change the aljazeera networks home page. They roughted every visitor of the page to an American flag including other stuff on the page. The provider recieved many complaints and shut it all down. Consiquently the hackers routed many people to hit on their network clogging their systems in retaliation. Other hackers have put burning American flags on other sites including some government sites. T.V. reported the obvious that this could have been done from anywhere in the world and the hacker would probably never be caught. |
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| GUITARPRO#1 |
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:00 am Post subject: -8 |
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| allstate |
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: -9 |
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| Just submitting my essay, one last comment, if Saddam could launch a nuclear bomb at us he would, if he could harm us in any way possible, he would. Heck I feel he needs to be taken out soley because he has killed thousands in his own coutry. He is the next to worst on the the terrorist list and NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT. North Korea is a concern, but I fully support America's leaders choice in the plan by using China and Russia to help dismantle the growing problem if not slow it down. |
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| kys |
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 4:19 am Post subject: -10 |
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| right on spanglish, right on |
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| Beartalon |
Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:12 am Post subject: -11 |
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Originally posted by Spanglish: we defend what is right, if you dont like it, get out
So people that don't agree with your standard of "right" cease to have the right to call themselves American?
And, no, don't send your ex-patriates to Canada. We don't all agree with our government's stand on this war. We are not all pacifists.
Actually, most of us didn't have a choice in the matter, but those who voted our Parliament members into their government offices certainly have a right to oppose what the Parliament does. After all, they represent us. So then, if Parliament acts against people's wishes, we have a right to freedom of expression, and no-one will ever win the argument that freedom of expression can only be within the dictates of government as you seem to uphold.
Maybe someday, you'll find yourself on the other side of this argument, and you'll wonder why people don't like it when you express your opinion against the government's choices, and you'll argue "freedom of expression". |
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| Spanglish |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject: -12 |
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| I had a thought the other day as I argued with an anti-war type person. They were saying that we are in it because of oil and all the money that we can make from liberating them when we all know that that is crap. We are going to turn over those oil fields to iraq so that they can rebuild their country. Then I thought about it again, what are we really getting out of it? The reason we are doing it is so that others can have freedom. Obviously they wont have the same level of freedom as us right away but its a start and thats what we are fighting for. I think its poor that there are people in this country that are so selfish that they think we are fighting for something other than the right reasons. I also dont understand how people can say that they support the troops but at the same time be causing civil disruption in the states. What sort of support is that? I say, if you dont like it, move to Canada. America is for Americans, we defend what is right, if you dont like it, get out. |
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| kys |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:49 pm Post subject: -13 |
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| I agree that "something" is going to happen. It just seems to me that Saddam has been working on that "something" and his chance is finally here to use it. If it wasn't for war, we wouldn't be living how we do today. We are able to live in this county and have our freedom because of war. So I'm keeping an optimistic look on this war to hopefully only improve the way we live and to improve our communications with other countries. Some of you may think I'm dumb because I'm in support of the war, but I'm not going to hide and I'm going to say how I feel. GO USA!! |
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| xcrystalheartx |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:16 pm Post subject: -14 |
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| I agree with Chocolate. I think the most important thing is that we all need to stand in support with our troops. We don't want them to think they are fighting for nothing. I hope that we are doing the right thing, I am not 100% if this is it, but I hope so. |
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| chocolate |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: -15 |
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| I am not fully for the war, but do think that it is neccessary to take care of Saddam before he gets too big and more dangerous than he probably already is. He certainly has been doing a bunch of "something" in the last 10 years since we were there last. What really concerns me is that bunch of "something" is coming soon and our troops will be right in the middle of it. I do think he has the chemicals ready and will use them. He certainly won't roll over and let us walk right in. It really is too bad that he wasn't taken out last time around. We need to stand behind and support our troops and our country. |
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| karrots |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:00 am Post subject: -16 |
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I am with the idea that Bush gave plenty of time for Saddam to dissarm but he chose not to. There was a good editorial cartoon in the paper one day where it had George Bush waiting and waiting it had a frame for every month then he acted. Also to go along with this ideology I have some links. These are both from Washington Post Articles.
The first talks about how long Saddam had to do some of the things he violated. The second talks about the disarmament of Germany after World War I. Yes one not two. Permission From the Powerless A Retrospective on Dissarmament
The one about the disarmament of Germany is very interesting.
Karrots
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| Edogg |
Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:16 am Post subject: -17 |
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| I am one that believes that arresting the person before they commit the crime against their victim is the smart and safe thing to do. Why should we wait until after they have committed the crime to arrest them. By then, the victim has already experienced something that shouldn't have ever happened to them. I doubt that the person committing the crime will meet the child and then just leave them alone. They are going to meet them for a reason. It is a horrible crime, and the offender should be caught before the act takes place. Its the only way. |
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| Frank |
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 9:05 pm Post subject: -18 |
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| I personally am against this war for greed. I admit something has to be done about sadamm but if were going to do something about terrorist nations shouldn't we target them all? Look at Isreal for example preforming terrorist acts for years and why doesnt the world do anything about them... oh yeah possibly because they are allies with america hmm weird how these things work |
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| Beebs |
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:54 am Post subject: -19 |
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| I would totally have to agree with you Gelit. You made a really good point. People that are very outspoken with the war do get their opinions out but it doesn't actually change the fact that we are at war and that our president and soldiers need support. |
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| Gelit |
Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:26 am Post subject: -20 |
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| I don't think President Bush is just out looking for revenge for his father's sake. He gave ample time to Sudam & Fam to knock it the crap off. He has plead, warned & now is acting. A far greater step than many others would dare to do. I support the decisions of this countries leaders. Fact of the matter is... WE ARE AT WAR. Any bad mouthing or protesting at this point only adds chaos to the whole situation. |
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| JoBlack |
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:15 pm Post subject: -21 |
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| Arresting people for there actions. I am glad that there are jobs like what lt.Layton has. Going and trying to find the very people that make it so we can't trust this society. I think no parent has to go through what the smart family went through. Lt.Layton talked about how these sex affenders are professionals in playing mind games with the kids. And these kids at first would say no but they don't understand that they have been given a hood with bate on it and he pulls back very slowly until....he letteraly has them in their hands. Look at the elizabeth smart case. I have no doubt that she was totaly brain washed and was also physically abused. Why do people do this? where does there desire come from? How can we help to keep this happing right in our own hoods. |
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| catman |
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 5:29 pm Post subject: -22 |
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| I for one am in total support of the war. As we have learned throughout history horrific dictators have a devastating effect on the world. Was is in our best interest to atack Hitler, he never did anything to us it was only Japan. Now Hussein and Bin Laden have actually done something and people still can't get behind the support of our country. This is the best country in the world and we have the most freedoms of anyone, but with that feedom comes a price, we must defend it. I won't lie, it angers me to see anti-war protest, but that's their right. However if we would come together and support our country and freedoms and troops, terrorists would then fear us! Out with the bad and in with the good! GO TROOPS, GO PRESIDENT, GO USA!!! |
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| shining gundam |
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:59 pm Post subject: -23 |
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I am totally against this war. I think President Bush really has no reasons for startng this war other than maybe getting people to focus on it rather than the WEAK economy back home. Right now I think North Korea is a much bigger threat to the US and the rest of the world because they actually have nuclear weapons. I also think that maybe this war is kind of personal for Bush maybe he feels like he has to oust Saddam because his father didn't and lost the next election. Anyone remember Osama bin Laden? He is still out there somewhere. President Bush promised he would find him and its been how many months? Maybe Bush is trying to redirect our attentions to help in this next election. Which is really a shame because I think the Presidents focus right now should be on helping our economy. Also I am really, really, really, (I think you get it now!) sick and tired of people saying that anybody against the war is anti-american. Thats just bs. How can any connection between the two be made? I disagree with us fighting this "war", but at the same I do support our troops who don't have a choice in the matter. Their job is to protect this country and I am grateful that they can. I am just not sure that removing Saddam from power will better protect the US. In this country we have the right to freedom of speech and just because you disagree with something our leaders say it doesn't make you anti-american. Also I would like to hear some thoughts from my fellow classmates about the Bowling for Columbine's directors speech at the Oscars. The one about us living in a ficticious time, etc. Just curious. |
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| Allaround1 |
Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:56 am Post subject: -24 |
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| On getting ahold of Layton, he might still teach at Fremont High, if you call and ask for him they can probably set you up with him. Or you if he doesnt work there anymore ask for Craeger, he can tell you how to get ahold of him! |
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| Spanglish |
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: -25 |
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| Hey kys, don't be sorry for supporting your country, I am definately not. GO USA!! |
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| Beartalon |
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:35 pm Post subject: -26 |
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| For For/Against War threads, check out many threads in the Off Topic section. You can see what the regular GL members have to say. Just remember to keep an open mind to the member's world views. We represent several countries and viewpoints are considerably different, even within each country. |
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| kys |
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 10:57 pm Post subject: -27 |
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| Spanglish, sorry I'm not a anti-war person, but I like the topic that you've brought up. Of course I want peace and everything, but sometimes to get peace, we have to go to war. I just hope that there won't be alot of bloodsehd, but I know we can't always avoid that. I talked about this for awhile with some people at my work, and we agreed that the war seems a little to easy and that something bad is going to happen. I feel like the people in Iraq are leading us into Baghdad. If we could only get some of the other countries to help us out more. Other countries don't really seem to know the bad that Saddam has been doing and they're not helping us fight. But as far as being anti-war, sorry I'm not. |
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| Spanglish |
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2003 7:13 pm Post subject: -28 |
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| Hey all, once again I grow bored with the current conversation, or lack thereof so I propose another topic. With the war going on, I am curious if there are any anti-war persons in the class and why it is that they think that way... So lets hear it, I am really curious. Its funny, I am definately not anti war but the term pro-war doesnt apply either, I think that the majority of us who support the war would agree that we don't look forward to war, we aren't blood-thirsty or anything, we want justice. Like I said, I am not pro-war, but I dont enjoy seeing people protesting the war when they are reaping the benefits of the USA. I guess you could say that I am anti-anti-war. That about sums it up... What do the rest of you think? |
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| firemeboy |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:58 pm Post subject: -29 |
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I probably won't bring him back to class this semester, I don't think he has a whole lot of 'new information'. However, he mentioned to one of the classes that the government agency that pays his salary wants him out doing what he was doing in class. If you want to hear him again you can invite him to a neighborhood meeting, scout function, church function, etc. He has a slide presnetation (T TH class saw it), that runs about 1 hour and 45 minutes. It was very good.
I'm not sure how to contact him, but I'm sure somebody out there could do it with a google search. |
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| Cheese |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:29 pm Post subject: -30 |
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I'm glad that Lt. Layton might be comming back to present again. So long as we don't have any more speakers like that hacker guy, I'll be happy (its hard to enjoy a "circular lecture").
Seriously though, I've told a few people about that lecture, and even had someone ask me if he was coming back so he could listen as well.
How bout it fireme? What's the chances of a rerun?
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| Isolder74 |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:12 pm Post subject: -31 |
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| I support what Lt. Layton is doing. The fact that they only arrest people who come to meat what they thought was a 13 year old makes even better. Remember, he said the cops never try to talk them into coming to meet them they let them invite them to meet them. One thing Layton said was he has rarely caught someone who hasn't done something like this before. |
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| Chuck |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:03 pm Post subject: -32 |
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| What child? The guy was talking to an adult cop. |
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| GUITARPRO#1 |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:59 am Post subject: -33 |
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| He said most of the time they lie about their age. No matter what their age the child is under age and that makes it wrong. |
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| allstate |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:22 am Post subject: -34 |
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| I would like to know how many times the cops have arrived at the meeting place of an "would be sex offender" and find that the person really is 13 or the age he said he was, how many times real kids show up to meet other kids. |
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| Beebs |
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:32 am Post subject: -35 |
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| I liked the presentation by Lt. Layton. I think that it is good that there are people that get rid of some of the sickos out there before they rape kids. |
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| Chuck |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:32 am Post subject: -36 |
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| What if the alleged child molestor was perceptive enough to be able to tell that the person claiming to be 13 years old was actually an adult? No acting job is perfect and the guy might be a lot smarter than the cop. He's also very curious and pushes for the meeting to find out what's going on. Should he be arrested for the police's failure to fool him? It might be stupid for him to show up for the meeting but that's not a crime. |
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| Kerioth |
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:04 am Post subject: -37 |
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Fatex: Here's a site I found. Run by white hat hackers, fighting child porn sites.
http://condemned.org/
Concerning the actions of the police in the matters and affairs of criminal thoughts, I highly approve of the actions taken upon those coercing young children into fulfilling perverted desires. If a person goes far enough to actually meet the child then an action has been taken and many children have probably been saved the trauma of sexual abuse. |
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| princesspony |
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject: -38 |
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well even if layton is arresting people for just their thoughts...i like it. but it's a little bit more than just thinking it up...they arrest them at the "meeting Place." and me personally, that right there is beyond thought...the person obviously was getting ready to act on his intentions...we arrest people for attempted stuff all the time...why should this be any different, especially when the children are our future...blah blah blah..i don't see how anyone could put a price on that. but i'm sure someone has...kids for sale get them while they're hot...thinking about can't possibly be enough..come act out your wildest fantasy then get thrown in jail... come on--you know it's worth it...you get to actually do something for getting arrested.. yup..i can see it now... |
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