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| Vader |
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:23 pm Post subject: 1 |
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I can see the industrial lable there but I feel they are more metal than indutrial. I happened to like their version of Cars. I like the song Replica from their Demanufature CD the best another one of my all time favorite tunes.
If I may try to answer Termital. The singing style , like everything else evolves. I think that this was comming around in the mid 90's and just really took off in the past 3-4 years. Personally I like the mid range singers that can hit the high notes for emphasis not just because they can. Like James Hetfield before Load.
Satan has always been branded with Rock from the very begining and when Metal evolved with the Evil undertones it was just a logical thing to have happen. I would say thoug that the song War Pigs from Black Sabbath would be a good root for this though, even though Ozzy has said they were not a Metal band, they have and still influence most Metal bands. |
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| Termital |
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:55 am Post subject: 0 |
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Fear factory.. industrial, really?
And what's with the Slayer bashing? They were the only ones that didn't make my ears bleed.
OK, on to my question. Back it the 80's/early 90's metal singers seemed to try to imitate the guitar play in singing style, occasionaly giving the impression of trying to sound threatening after being kicked in the gonads. So I happen across metal two decades later, and the singers (well, singers might be overstating things) seem to do nothing but grunt towards the mic. Are my observations correct? If so, what caused the radical change in singing style?
Oh, and how did Satan get associated with the genre to begin with? |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:26 pm Post subject: -1 |
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Jadesmar: I suggest you listen to the song. When Pink Floyd did it it was arty, when they did it it was a try hard cop out.
Vader: Fear Factory, to me, is industrial. They have quite a few songs I like and I was impressed by their latest offering. I especially like the song "Man is obselete' (I think that is the name). Not a band I could listen to constantly but they hit far more than they miss. (By miss I mean Cars ) |
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| jadesmar |
Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:13 pm Post subject: -2 |
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The first on my hit list was Dream Theater. I listened to about 18 minutes worth of cobbled together covers from pink floyd and others and it hurt. They seem to be trying to hard to be arty ...
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How the hell do you do a Pink Floyd cover and not sound arty? |
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| Vader |
Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:17 pm Post subject: -3 |
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| Hey Tenshi just out of curiosity what do you think of Fear Factory? I quite enjoy them. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:49 pm Post subject: -4 |
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Personally Queensryche is one of my all time favorites. Up until Hear in the New Frontier CD anyway. From the first moment I heard them-openeing fro Metallica back in 88 or so-I was hooked.
Dream Theater I like. I loved their first CD with Pull me Under(Tenshi I suggest you take a listen to that song) but the CD's after that I agree with Tenshi a little too artsy.
Side note I saw both Queensryche and Dream Theater, Queesryche was the openining act, in the summer of 03. Amazing show. I love when there are good vocalists on top of thier game.
Faith No More is an enigma in my opinion. They have some heavy tunes, i.e. Suprise you're Dead & Mid Life Crisis, then they have some off the wall tunes, i.e. the Crab Song(I believe that is the name) and The Morning After. They are all the above Metal, Prog. Rock and out of the Norm( as I don't know how else to describe the sound). |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 10:15 am Post subject: -5 |
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| American. I assumed a umlauted my would be European. Time to look for for a new source. |
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| Dragon Phoenix |
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:07 pm Post subject: -6 |
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Queensryche.
Indeed a US band.
Coming more from a prog rock background, I like prog metal. Then again, from that background, 10-20 minute songs are not that rare. |
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| Blighty Chap |
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:44 pm Post subject: -7 |
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| DP: I will get in touch with Jurgen (a friend from Germany who supplies my brother and I with European metal) to get some Queensryche and I will get back to you on it. |
And there was I thinking Queensryche were the Yankee Band originating from the early 80's.
Are you sure it's not the same Queensryche who supported 'Dio' back in 84/85-ish? |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 11:33 am Post subject: -8 |
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Thunder: Ok. I just finnished listening to some music. I am not going to listen to any more prog metal for a very long time. I am curently listening to some Finntroll to purge me of those 'epic song demons' (out, out, you foul demons!).
The first on my hit list was Dream Theater. I listened to about 18 minutes worth of cobbled together covers from pink floyd and others and it hurt. They seem to be trying to hard to be arty and they seem at least to me to be trying the sonic youth method of 'keep throwing till something sticks'. I heard someone describe a recent sonic youth concert called a self indulgent arty wankfest. It just goes on and on. I heard that on one of their newer albulms there is a track around the 40 minute mark . No thank you. I like my metal short, fast and loud. Ten minute tops. 'Beauty of the beast' by Nightwish is on the long end of bareable.
Next, stratovarius. Hmmmmm...... I have a few tracks from Elements part 1 as my tool of review here. They do have a quite potent musical attack and they certainly are progressive and tricky. But what is it with the vocalists voice. I normally crank up the volume when listening to metal but it was painful to listen to him wail higher than the peak of Tarja Turunen's range in 'Phantom of the opera'. They have definate pontential if they drop their vocalist.
I actually don't have any Mp3's of Pain of Salvation's work so the jury is out until I track some down.
I think that some Prog is metal but not all. The trickyness of bands like emporer is quite cool in small doses and is definately metal. Dreamtheater, like I alluded to strikes me more as a selfindulgent wankfest than music and Stratovarius has great potential (it is always possible that albulm was a shocker for them).
DP: I will get in touch with Jurgen (a friend from Germany who supplies my brother and I with European metal) to get some Queensryche and I will get back to you on it.
Oh, and also DP. Get your hands on 'Victory or Valhalla' by Ancient Rites. It is very cool. And also 'Troll Hammeren' and Jaktens Tid' by Finntroll. Great Viking metal  |
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| Dragon Phoenix |
Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:38 am Post subject: -9 |
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| Bump especially for the prog rock question of Thunder. I'm particularly interested in what you think of Dream Theatre and Queensryche (no way I can do the umlaut on the y...). |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:14 am Post subject: -10 |
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Phil, my ability to spell is inversely proportional to my ability to understand what is going on. Any corrections are welcome.
Thunder, I would say 'Faith no more' would come under the same sort of bracket as some of the harder Foo Fighters work. Hard Rock. They are thumpy and all that but not quite in the same vein as metal. If you have a listen to Nightwish, InFlames, Death Angel and Metallica. While the vocalisation is wildly different (Opera to Demonic Grunting) the music has a very similar feel. That feel is (at least for me) present in anything I call 'metal', although it is quite possible that for you they do come under the bracket of metal, so it is quite objective (I think that is the right word).
With the Prog stuff you listed, I will drag it out of my MP3 archive tonight and have a listen. I gennerally only keep about 4-5 gig on my compy at any one time.
Guest, the term was originally used by William S Burrough in 'The Soft Machine'. He had a character called 'Uranium Willy, the heavy metal kid' that was into a heavily underground music and drug scene, which in its entirety was called heavy metal. It was a movement to get away from the real and oppressive world for a while. Black Sabbath contrary to popular belief was not the first metal band due to Ozzy Osborne's claim 'We aint heavy metal, we are just a rock and roll band'. I would say that the first Heavy Metal band would be Judas Preist. (Thank God for triple J's Full Metal Racket metal trivia quiz ) |
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:36 pm Post subject: -11 |
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Thrash Metal: Brutal and ferocious attacking riffs, genrally with little more than a guitar, a base drums and vocals. A style made famous by early work of bands like metallica. Think 'Battery' off master of puppets. [snip]
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Done. Wanted to make a small correction from a professional drummer: the word you want is "bass" as in, the "lowest drum in pitch".. not "base". Better still to call it the kick drum, which is more commonly accepted nowadays... |
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: -12 |
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| OMG. nightwish... Nightwish... NIGHTWISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I had never heard of them, but I was listening to some CD's in the shop this weekend while Bambi was browsing the art magazines. One of the CD's was by Nightwish. I found the samples so interesting that I bought the CD (Once) and I must say it's fantastic. Can't wait to pick up more of theor work. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:18 pm Post subject: -13 |
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What do you think of Progressive Metal? Maybe it's not really metal but I was wondering your opinion on bands like
Dream Theater
Stratovarious
Pain of Salvation
Where would you classify "Faith No More"? They are one of my favorite bands and I've always considered them Heavy Metal but they don't necessarily fit in your descriptions. |
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Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 2:29 pm Post subject: -14 |
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| When/where was the term 'Heavy Metal' first used? |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:39 am Post subject: -15 |
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OMG. nightwish... Nightwish... NIGHTWISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am currently in a bit of a fanboy phase with them. I don't know a whole lot about them but I have rips of about 7 of their cd's on my computer that play constantly at the moment. I love how they have the opera vocalist teamed up with the metal band, it just works.
Wanderlust and Romanticide and planet hell and devil and the dark ocean and sacrament of wilderness....
They are just plain good. |
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| cloudRunner |
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: -16 |
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| IMPO, Nightwish and Archenemy have the best female metal vocalists I've ever heard. |
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:34 pm Post subject: -17 |
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*resurrects thread*
So you do not like The Gathering, let's try another metal band with female vocalist: Finlands Nightwish. What's your opinion? |
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| Simian100 |
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:16 pm Post subject: -18 |
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No need to apologize to me for disagreeing about a band's merits, my friend. Free speech, ain't it a mutha?  |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:51 am Post subject: -19 |
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Simian:
Originally posted by me: DP: What's your opinion on The Gathering?
I am going to be quite harsh. I don't really like them at all. They strike me as all together too sombre and atmospheric. At times they almost seem to be trying their hand at deep trance. Sadly in my mind they do not truly qualify as metal.
Sorry if you don't agree with me but I was asked for an opinion. When one of my favourite bands is grind core and the other is death metal my love of techno takes a back seat. But on the other hand, have you heard the new release by Avril (the french trip-hop fellow, not the dodgy punk princess)?
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 1:30 am Post subject: -20 |
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I must fervently disagree with Tenshi. The Gathering are one of the finest, most accomplished bands of any genre performing today. Anneke van Giersbergen posseses the BEST female rock voice on this planet. I saw them at the Middle East in Boston; they were phenomenal. Of course, it doesn't help that I'm sort of madly in love/lust with Anneke...  |
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| Vader |
Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 11:53 am Post subject: -21 |
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Many thanks.
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: -22 |
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You can find the info on Death Angel's new albulm here Vader 
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| Vader |
Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 2:56 pm Post subject: -23 |
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LOT: Death Angel released a NEW album? When? and how can I get my hands on it? Killing Joke have had many sounds over the years and the best was the early years I highly recomend that era, mid 80's.
Paige: Type O is one of my favorites, they are Metal but not what LOT is going for. Soundgarden IMO was very over rated, had a good song or three, but as a whole just okay. Chris is a very good vocalist and I happen to like his latest project.
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Tue May 18, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: -24 |
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Vader: Death Angel are cool. The just released a new albulm Must admit my metal knowledge deserts me on killing joke though 
Paige: First of all. Welcome to the GL, have a frog (but a hardcore metal loving frog ). I have only heard songs from October Rust for Type O Negative so I will base my opinion on that. They are very gothic in musical nature and as such fall out of what I normally listen to. Soundgarden are more on the trail end of grunge, so also out of my frames of refference. Mushroom makes me think of "Badger Badger Badger".
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject: -25 |
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What is type O negative and soundgarden and mushroom for their genre? Does any fall within the catergories you list as knowing of?
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| Vader |
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 1:50 pm Post subject: -26 |
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| Yes I loved Deth Angel. They were pretty damn cool. What about Killing Joke, do you like them? |
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:23 am Post subject: -27 |
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Oh and Vader, Death angel are very cool. It was only slayer that made me faint from a BMO.
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:21 am Post subject: -28 |
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I saw anthrax and kill switch engage last night. The were gooooooooooood!
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| Vader |
Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:20 pm Post subject: -29 |
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| Fair enough. |
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:41 am Post subject: -30 |
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~sees slayer~
~blinks~
~faints~ bad music overload

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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:45 pm Post subject: -31 |
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Cool Thread. I am disapointed no one said Killing Joke a great band that never really got its do.
I also know tht I am now going to be labled a sucker, but you have to give props to Pre Black album Metallica. Just about any Slayer album. Exodus was cool. Death Angel & Nuclear Assult are up there too. |
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| The Ktulu |
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:54 pm Post subject: -32 |
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Awesome! A thread on metal!
I have no questions, but my curiosity has come out to play. How do you rate these bands (rate however you like...)?:
Blind Guardian Iced Earth HammerFall Sonata Arctica Jag Panzer Symphony X Children of Bodom
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| wordcross |
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:05 pm Post subject: -33 |
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject: -34 |
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What I don't understand is how rap is included in this category?
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:47 pm Post subject: -35 |
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Jesternl:
I listed Rammstein because I love the music. The voice is definately more important than the lyrics in bands of their ilk. Even though I did German for a couple of years and have a reasonable understanding of it most passes over my head. I don't think that it is vital to understand what they are saying, but more the feelings they are conveying. The feeling of rage or hate in a voice is pretty universal, and as such the words themselves come second. On the thought of the voice, it would seem that it is just another instrument. Another way of evoking the desired feelings in the listener, but I guess that is the same in all music. The vocal style itself though is pretty unique, a way of delivering a message without any real form of comprehension. I think the best way to describe metal is through my first experience with it. I was on a scout camp and an older boy had a Master of Puppets playing on his stereo. The title track was playing and I asked him what the lead vocalist was saying. His response summed up metal. 'Try taking drugs, might make sense then. It's possible that it still wont though.'
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:05 pm Post subject: -36 |
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I see you listed Rammstein as well., and that makes me wonder. First off, do you speak, or understand German? Second, does understanding the lyrics matter? In other words, are lyrics part of what makes it metal, or is it the voice just one of the intruments?
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| Legend of Tenshi |
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:20 am Post subject: -37 |
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DP, I am with Aga. That artical really didn't have a lot to say about metal. Badly uninformed imho. At the moment I am listening to a song called 'Jester Script Transfigured' by In Flames and it is very swing based. Almost waltz-able.
Legion:
As to the very first metal band/song I would point to '21st Century Schizoid Man' is the earliest true metal sound I have found. The whole song is true metal, from the lyrics...
Originally posted by Lyrics:
Black rack, barbed wire Politians funeral pyre Innocents raped with napalm fire Twenty first century schizoid man
To the insane solos in the middle, especially the almost speed metal section on sax. Even the vocalist is doing his bit with heavily distorted vocals. All in all a complete metal track.
Courk:
No, that is tribal rythms, an underground techno movement.
Veg:
Thrash Metal: Brutal and ferocious attacking riffs, genrally with little more than a guitar, a base drums and vocals. A style made famous by early work of bands like metallica. Think 'Battery' off master of puppets.
Speed Metal: Insanely fast, multi-layered rythms and harmonies. Think Blind Gaurdian.
Rap Metal: Most commonly seen in the Nu-metal wave of bands. Metal music with a lead vocalist rapping instead of usual metal vocals. Think System of a down (Ie. Steal this albulm, not toxicity) and some Rammstein (Links, Sensucht)
Death/Black Metal: Violent, brutal and guttural. The best and the worst metal imho resides in this category. In flames, Machine Head and Killswitch Engage all sit in this category. Think Pinball map (In flames) and Davidian (machine head).
The most common words used to describe metal, in my mind, are brutal, complex, progressive and violent. All of which are widely used outside of Metal circles.
Hitchhiker:
That question will come back to haunt me later, but I would say metal. Songs like King Kill 33 and Rock and Roll [Niggah] almost verge on thrash while others tracks move more into my concept of doom metal. I would say he is a bit hard to put in one basket, and he does cater to a younger audience than the average metal band, but I do enjoy his music and if he played in brisbane I would definately go and see him perform.
Jesternl:
My opinion of Metallica I have stated before in OT. I believe they were a very good thrash band for their albulms up to Kill Em All. They then moved into a more mainstream style and ended up producing such musical horrors as saint anger. It is a real shame that such a good band went so horribly bad. I still wear a MoP t-shirt on ocasion.
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:43 pm Post subject: -38 |
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Aga, would you consider Status Quo Metal?
Tenshi, somebody has to say it.. what is your opinion of Metallica?
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