Mafia in Mossflower! (Mafia 58)(Finished)

[Amb]

Bah - 3 hours left

Unvote Spahawk
Vote NO LYNCH

Extension please....

[PuzzleProdigy]

3 crackerjack
1 ralphmerridew

1 NO LYNCH

2.5 hours remaining.

[crackerjack]

If someone could explain to me how a no-lynch could help the town I might switch my vote. It seems that if we don't lynch anyone, we will be in the same situation tomorrow. I will steal RMs ability, target jadesmar, since he is the next likeliest to be mafia and tomorrow I will get a few more votes. Better to lynch me and take a chance that ralphmerridew is the lone mafia.

[PuzzleProdigy]

1.5 hours left...

[PuzzleProdigy]

45 minutes...

[PuzzleProdigy]

I'll go rouse Gloomer for his meal...
*wanders off, temporarily*
(40 minutes left)

[PuzzleProdigy]

"Well, very good then. It's decided. The whole thing is finally over."

"For us, at least." Sparhawk said with a grin.

The woodlanders had made a terrible mistake...

Deaths:
crackerjack (Gonff)- thrown to Gloomer
Porro (Skipper)- thrown to Gloomer
Amb (Columbine)- thrown to Gloomer

Congratulations to Sparhawk, ralphmerridew, and jadesmar2!

[TANSTAAFL]

bah! so who was who, I know that it had to be Tsarmina, Fortunata, and Ashleg left...

[ralphmerridew]

amb, good reasoning, on picking out Sparhawk & me. Fortunately it came too late.

crackerjack, you didn't change my target. We'd already decided that I'd go poison TANSTAAFL before your action, so you don't need to feel guilty about that.

What exactly happened with the poisoning of amb & Termital. I only went after Termital (Chibb), so how did amb get poisoned?

BTW, I was Fortunata (fox, can't be blocked by most healers), Sparhawk was Tsarmina (wildcat, godmother, protected from investigation/night kill), and Roadbird/jadesmar was Ashleg (pine marten, chance of failing if sent to kill).

[PuzzleProdigy]

OK, here are the roles:

Tsarmina (Sparhawk)- Standard GF, with the exception that she could be killed at night by Martin. Her kills would have appeared as "ripped to shreds"

Fortunata (ralphmerridew)- Mafia member- Had the special ability of poisoning another character as her kill, thus preventing most protective roles from succeeding.

Ashleg (jadesmar 2)- Mafia goon- Kills would have appeared as "throat cut"- Chance of failure.

Cludd (quercitron)- Mafia goon- Kills would have appeared as "stabbed"

Bane (groza528)- Traitor- Had to be sole survivor in order to win. Once Tsarmina was killed, he would become mafia leader, with new objective: "mafia must win". He was not told that his objective would change. The other mafia were instructed to suspect him.

Argulor (Kazooish)- SK- Killed every night. Kills appeared as "ripped to shreds"

Martin (Corsato)- Vigilante- Could kill at night. Wouldn't have killed innocents, unless I chose randomly for him. Was told that he could kill innocents, and couldn't vote the next day if he did so.

Gonff (crackerjack)- Thief- Could change someone else's choice.

Dinny (Werebear)- Vest- Could avoid all kills (except lynching) once Bane was killed. Was told that he could resist kills with a chance of failure.

Skipper (Porro) & Bula (Soothsayer)- Watch/Masons- Could guard another player at night. Had a 50% of stopping any kill (but poisoning) against that player. If they chose the same other player, they had a 50% chance of killing the attacker if they succeeded in blocking a kill. If they chose different players, they had a 50% chance of being killed if they failed to prevent a kill.

Amber (Cyberdork) & Pear (TANS...)- Watch/Masons- Had a 50% chance of blocking any kill (but poisoning) against the player they guarded. Had a 25% chance of resisting any attack on them.

Chibb (Termital) & Columbine (amb)- Cops- Amb had ten candied chestnuts. Chibb's win condition was that he acquire ten CC's. At night, they negotiated (through me), a fair price for Chibb's investigation. If they agreed on a price, they both got a result, and Termital got that price. Otherwise, only Termital received the result. If Termital had won, he would have "disappeared", and the game would have continued. Any attack on one would have also affected the other.
Amb was immune to poison.

Mask (jadesmar 1)- Cop- Received a result from 0-4 about the likelihood of a player being evil. The formula was as follows:
Evil: 1+#of heads from 3 coin flips
Good: #of heads from 3 coin flips

Gingivere (Ameb)- Had a different effect, depending on who he targeted. Increased the chance of a percentage ability helping the town, switched a coin flip to be correct for Mask, giving a kill a chance of failure, etc.

Bella- (The Master)- Gave a player immunity from lynching. At a deadline, Bella's vote would have decided the lynching, regardless of other votes.

Germaine- (The Accountant)- Doctor- Could heal any kill, including poisoning (excepting Argulor). Extremely valuable to the town.





[This message has been edited by PuzzleProdigy (edited 11-27-2002 04:46 PM).]

[PuzzleProdigy]

And finally, a summary of the last day.

Six players were left. However, if the 3 woodlanders could prevent a lynching, crackerjack could cause a mafia member to kill themself, thus giving the woodlanders a 3-2 advantage the next day. Therefore, I couldn't end the game, even with a deadlocked vote, and I couldn't skip the day, as that would be unfair to the mafia. If crackerjack had figured all that out, then the woodlanders would almost certainly have won.

[PuzzleProdigy]

And finally (again), weird coincidences:

Night 1: Lots of people protected Werebear. He was, ironically, immune to most kills on his own.

Night 2: Porro, Soothsayer, and Accountant all protected quercitron. Porro and Sooth lost the coin flip, and The Accountant couldn't block Argulor's kills. Thus, the game was made much harder for the mafia.

Night 6: crackerjack diverted ralphmerridew's target... on to the player that was already being targeted! Another coincidence that made the game harder for the mafia.

[PuzzleProdigy]

And finally (again), weird coincidences:
Night 1: My playing cards cause the four loyal mafia to be assigned to players within 5 places alphabetically.

Night 1: Lots of people protected Werebear. He was, ironically, immune to most kills on his own.

Night 1: jadesmar1 and Kazooish targeted each other.

Night 2: Porro, Soothsayer, and Accountant all protected quercitron. Porro and Sooth lost the coin flip, and The Accountant couldn't block Argulor's kills. Thus, the game was made much harder for the mafia.

Night 6: crackerjack diverted ralphmerridew's target... on to the player that was already being targeted! Another coincidence that made the game harder for the mafia.

[This message has been edited by PuzzleProdigy (edited 11-27-2002 04:54 PM).]

[Amb]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I knew them both..... Arrrgh

Nuts


Blast


And I didnt trust Jadesmar either


Blast

Dang

Rats

Evil words

[This message has been edited by amb (edited 11-28-2002 04:13 AM).]

[Sparhawk]

Yes Amb, you had us figured out at the end, but fortunately for us there were enough of us that it didn't matter.

This was a fun game, but it seemed like Ralphmerridew in particular and me to some degree had a big advantage because we read the books. It made it easier once people claimed roles to figure out if they were telling the truth, how important they were, and whether we needed to kill them or not.

[ralphmerridew]

No, if crackerjack had kept his mouth shut about his ability, and there hadn't been a lynch, I think the woodlanders could have pulled it off.

Ferdy & Coggs were young hedgehogs in the book; at one point they pretended to be spies; at another, they played "Captains of the Royal Guard", or something like that. I was going to claim a naive cop or ineffective doctor role, but once it became clear that nobody would believe me, I decided it was better to keep my mouth shut than risk making it clear that there were three of us.

[Werebear]

Hey Amb - if you knew all of THEM, why didn't you know ME?! I couldn't believe you had me lynched. Before I even gave my role. I had such plans, such plans... I was going to claim I was Young Dinny, (which I was), a doc who could "hide" another player. That way, the mafia would try and kill ME at night, and of course, fail. That would save the town at least one night kill. When I didn't die, I was going to thank the 'other doc' who saved me. ROFL. And by then, I was hoping a cop would come forth and say I was town. Oh well!

[Amb]

I worked out the most likely and I thought Termital got the investigation results before he got to sell them. I now know this isnt true and bah!

I thought the asking price of 4 was too high and I took it to mean he had found scum....

[ralphmerridew]

We went after Werebear on night 2 and failed, so we might not have gone after him even if he'd claimed doc. In fact, I was going to try to get him lynched for protecting Kazooish even before amb started that bandwagon. (And I was quite sincere about the Kazooish bandwagon. I really was sure he was the SK.)

By the way, PP, why did you base this game on Mossflower? In the book, Tsarmina & co. are a bunch of incompetents. I think she only had two successes in the book, both fairly late. One was carried out by Bane on his own, and the other was getting rid of Bane & Argulor, and not directed against the woodlanders. An accurate adaptation of the book would have had us getting blocked each night and only baddies getting lynched.

By comparison, Cluny in Redwall had a fair mix of successes and defeats and would be a more credible lead villain.

[TANSTAAFL]

So, why did everyone target me at the end I had both sides attempt to kill me

[ralphmerridew]

Well, Sparhawk & jadesmar wanted to kill you and then try to get crackerjack lynched because they thought you were least likely to be protected. (I wanted to zot crackerjack and try to get you lynched, but deferred to the GM.)

[Amb]

Why was my request for an extension ignored?

[ralphmerridew]

By the way, amb, what made you suspicious of me?

[Amb]

I was most suspicious over Sparhawk. Just reading the thread confirmed his guilt to me, and I was upset that PP unceremoniously ended a day when an extension was requested. This is poor modding when the days finish handed one side the victory.

[PuzzleProdigy]

amb:

A: Don't blame me for enforcing a deadline that I only created due to lack of active participation; i.e. voting

B: crackerjack wouldn't have been lynched had Porro voted in the ample time allowed by the deadline.

C: If you had won, the mafia would be criticising me for not upholding a set deadline.

D: (Not really a point, but a phrasing that infuriated me)

quote:

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PP unceremoniously ended a day

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DO NOT imply that I made the decision to ignore your extension request flippantly.

E: The mod is always right. Even when the mod is wrong, the mod is right.

[PuzzleProdigy]

oh, and to ralphmerridew, about the choice of book:

It was down to either Redwall or Mossflower. I had a full set of roles written for each (which I'll post, if you want them). In the end, my list for Mossflower had better balance than my list for Redwall. Also, Cluny's lieutenants were not as well characterized or diverse as Tsarmina's (excepting Shadow), and I couldn't create specialized roles for them easily. Also, I would have hated to set a Matthias role in a specific time frame, as he either has Martin's sword or he doesn't, which would have created continuity problems with other roles (rather hypocritical, since I did some of that here too). Finally, I liked Mossflower a lot more than Redwall.

[crackerjack]

For PP -

How come when I stole from Sparhawk and targeted ralphmerridew, nothing happened? Shouldn't rm been ripped to shreds or something?

[ralphmerridew]

I think that happened because Sparhawk didn't target anyone that night. Had we failed to get a lynch, we probably would have had Sparhawk perform the last kill, and your attempt to retarget me would have similarly failed.

[Sparhawk]

We had to pick a mafia member to do the dirty work each night. Generally we had ralphmerridew do the kill because he was harder to stop. So I didn't do anything that could be re-targeted.

Had I known that different flavor text would be provided depending on who did the kill, I would have thought changing who did each kill just to cause more confusion. Since we won, it is a good thing I didn't know -- it probably would have just harmed the mafia!