Designer Mafia [Mafia win. Dissertations and end game stuff

[Vegtable2001]

Vote Planky Not much time left, and a no lynch absoluetly does not help the town.

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Flame Away

[Amb]

Voting Update
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Planky 5 votes

6 to lynch or time limit will see a no lynch occur

[Neo]

vote planky then, a no lynch would suck.

[Beartalon]

That's it then...

[Amb]

The town came together and quickly pointed toward the silent Planky. Planky stepped forward and said nothing. A noose was tied around his neck, with the other end of the noose being feed into the cog works of the local clock tower. And when the time came to strike midnight, Planky was pulled in and his time was indeed up.

A quick search of his home showed that he had many chemical cocktails. He was a viral germ warfare expert after all. Each night he could infect a player with a disease and ALL players that person met with via night choices would be infected and die of the disease. Planky was immune to night kills and recruiting by vampires, as his role meant he could likely kill himself by picking a player who picked him.

Night Send choices

[Amb]

Trevize the mafia traitor lies poisoned on the ground. He had been working as a serial killer independantly of his mafia, and on some occasions tried to kill them only to be thwarted by the cloning work of Werebear. He had broken in to the science lab to kill Werebear. On completing the deed Trevize turned to see the maniacal Serial Poisoner Neo standing there. He didnt react quick enough and soon cyanide was pulsing through his veins. Neo rubbed his hands together and cried aloud "I finally got one".

His joy was short lived when he stepped outside and saw three mafia beating a townie to death. It didnt really matter who the townie was but he seemed to be splintering well, for the mafia now owned 50% of the town, and no matter how the lynching went - even no lynching - it was impossible for Neo to fulfill his Serial killer conditions. The mafia pounced on him and beat him to death as well.

Then Vegt the vampire, the only remaining vampire, finally realised why his recruit attempts were failing. You couldnt recruit people who were already evil. He wandered outside hoping to find non evil, and saw BearTalon walking home. A quick bite into BTs neck showed no reaction. And BT was quick to raise his silver cross and vegt was dead.

Polotet the mind reader sat at home worrying. The door banged, and in walked BearTalon who proudly announced. "You're it - the only townie left". And with one shot to the head, BearTalon walked out side to join his victorious scum.

GodFather BearTalon
Mafia Thickwit Lucresia
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Mafia Accountant xer0x

Have won the game.

A dissertation follows.

The mafia never sent their final night choices, and it was immaterial who they picked - so I used the pre information I had that chucky was likely. Neo's chance kill of the mafia traitor sealed the game, and no matter who the mafia killed the out come was precisely the same.

[Amb]

Full roles

Town
1. Polotet: Mindreader. Each night Polotet could investigate the night target of any player. His choices until death 1.Saberkitty 2.Werebear 3.Vegtable2001 4.Beartalon. Night 5's choice was made irrelevant. Polotet was the figure mentioned in the death scenes of Porro, but he was not the killer.

2. Green Crayons and Chucky: Ventriloquist and dummy on the side of the town. He was able to post and vote under either account, with the chucky account created specifically by me for him. GC is free to keep the account if he wants it. As long as Chucky was alive Green Crayons was immune to ALL night attacks, but was told differently in his email. GC was told chucky would take the first attack and die, when in fact this was not true. Let me repeat that Chucky and GC are the one and the same person. Neither accounts had a night choice.

3. Querciton: Old man caner. Quercitron was a geriatric with a cane. Each night Quercitron could whack the knee caps of a player he believed to be mafia. The whack would put them off attempting to complete their night choice. His goal was to try and hinder who he thought was mafia. On the night he died he crippled the doctor that was coming to save him. Quercitrons night choices were as follows. 1.Macros, 2.DrCrackerJack

4. MacadamiamaN: Medium. Each night MacadamiaMan could ask a question to a dead player via me the mod. The Question could be a yes/no type question and work along the lines of "Did you find Bob guilty when you investigated them" to a dead cop. "Is your mafia GodFather Jesternl?" etc. Mac was however turned to a vampire on night 1, and thus never asked a single question before joining forces with Vegtable2001.

5. Hitchhiker I: Redeemer of the mafia. Each night hitchhiker could attempt to redeem a player to become town. She could do this a max of 3 times. If the player was mafia the player would cease to be allowed to post or vote (effectively dead - but listed and treated as though alive) and she could email me a vote on their behalf for the lynching. If the player was unredeemable on the basis of being a townie and not corrupt she would suffer a heart attack and die. Night choices were 1.Porro

6. Porro: Hobo. Porro did not have a night choice, but each night all night choices were listed and one picked via dice throws or whatever. He always saw one person OR one specific action. Night one he saw the encounter between Saberkitty and Polotet. He was the towns most powerful form of cop and dying night 1 was very bad luck for the town side.

7. HitchHikerII: Priest. The priest was able to pray for divine information on anyone in the game. Their hand would unconciously write whether the player was mafia or good. But HitchHiker was also illiterate and couldnt read what she wrote, so she had to send the information to any other player without seeing it herself. Night choices were 1.Investigate Macros(mafia) send to Planky (SK) 2.MacadamiaMan(vampire) to BearTalon(GodFather of the mafia) 3. CrackerJack(Dr) to Neo(SK) 4. Trevize to WereBear. I really feel that this role was misused by sending to random people each time rather than settling on 1 player and waiting for a confirmable innocent to arrive, and HH was aware that planky knew of Macros alignment and could have pushed it in later stages - a move that might have altered the game completely (see Macros role).

[Amb]

8. Werebear: Geneticist Cloner. Each night Werebear could clone a player thus protecting them from harm as the clone would be attacked instead. If the player was not attacked, then the clone would survive until night fall and that players vote would count double. The double vote factor never once had an effect on the game. Werebears night choices were 1.BearTalon (saved the GF's life from Trevize) 2.CrackerJack(Saved Crackerjack from Trevize) 3. BearTalon (no one attacked - BTs vote counted double - but no effect was made) 4. Did not send 5. Beartalon (no attack, no voting effect as the mafia had won, but also meant the mafia got one more than a majority on the last day). Trevize would have every right to feel robbed of two kills via Werebear. But Werebear clearly believed BearTalon to be a town side investigator.

9. MikeGoo: Superdoctor. MikeGoo was a superdoctor who could protect anyone who was town, but if he protected a mafia there was no effect. He had to choose whether to prevent a person dying or becoming a vampire. Night choices were 1.Saberkitty (mafia no effect) from attack 2.[lost] From becoming a vampire

10. Gaspode: Claim pick pocket. Each night Gaspode could send me a post number with a claimed skill by any player and if they were telling the truth, he would be given that skill and that player would lose it. If they were lying he got nothing. For the town it was a huge blow when on night 3 he was recruited by the vampires. He had made no night choices when he got recruited.

11. CrackerJack: Schizophrenic doctor. CJ's protections types could be picked from a list I sent him. The list often did more than he was told about. a) Protect a player from night attack b) Protect a player from being lynched - which also secretly protected against all evil night choices. c)Drug a player so they cannot post or vote the next day - actually caused the player to speak in gibberish, although it was hard to tell if he had any affect on Neo at all to how he normally posts or d) Comatose himself - which protected him, but he couldnt post or vote the next day. He was NOT allowed to pick the same choice in consecutive nights. All choices protected players overnight from dying. Night choices 1. Self protection in coma 2. Quercitron to be drugged (gibberish) 3.No choice made 4. Trevize immune to lynch. Choice 4 was a serious blunder that actually could have allowed the likes of Planky or Neo to win the game alone. The choice to make Trevize immune was a poor tactical move that went against the flow of the game, and its repercussions caused the unlucky lynch of Planky.

12. RSA: Pablo Picasso. Had no night choice. Had a posting requirement of writing one word backwards each night. RSA was quite happy when he died - It was a horrid role.



[This message has been edited by amb (edited 02-08-2003 03:51 AM).]

[Amb]

Evil Dudes

The Mafia
13. SaberKitty Mafia Framer. Each night Saberkitty could frame a player and cause them to look guilty to investigation - ie to HitchHikerII's investigation. She died night one via Polotet who was unwittingly the carrier of a virus. She was being protected at the time by MikeGoo the superdoc, but his protections had no affect on mafia - and thus SaberKitty succumbed. Her only night choice was to make ralphmerridew look scummy.

14. BearTalon: The Mafia GodFather - also known as the night stalker bat. Beartalon did not show as innocent like most GodFathers, nor was he able to survive the first attack. His skill was to stalk a player and discover who their intended night target was - a talent he used to gain the protections of doctors and help him win the game. BearTalons night choices were 1) Personally killed Porro the tramp(cop) and checked Werebears night choice. (WB and BT targetted each other night 1). 2) Investigated MacadamiaMan and found the target of Gaspode. 3) Investigated RSA and killed Gaspode the vampire. 4) Investigated Chucky 5) Killed Chucky

15. Trevize: Mafia Traitor. Trevize was an SK whose goal was to be the last alive. He was working on behalf of the mafia and could also perform his own independant skill. He sent the mafia GF an email swearing he wasnt a traitor, and it seems that BT bought it all though I intend publishing it as an all time giveaway and example of how not to play mafia. Night choices 1.Tried to kill his GodFather BearTalon but failed due to WereBear. 2. Killed Courk as SK, and tried to kill CrackerJack as mafia but Werebear saved a second life. 3. Killed MikeGoo the doctor 4.Killed HitchHikerII the priest. 5. Killed WereBear the cloner. His kill picks look fairly impressive - Mafia GF, Mafia Sabotuer, Schizo Doctor, Super Doctor, Priest and Geneticist. All in all the mafia have a lot to thank their traitor for. If Werebear wasnt his kill this night, then the game would still be playing.

16. xer0x Mafia Accountant. Each night the mafia accountant could fiddle the books to make a player look innocent to investigation. He was the exact opposite of SaberKitty's role. His night choices were 1.BearTalon 2.Trevize 3.BearTalon 4.Trevize (unsuccessful because CJ protected Trevize from all evil night choices - the irony being if Trevize wasnt made immune then he would have been called innocent by Werebear). 5. BearTalon assumed - via the pattern - but no choice was logged.

17. Macros/Lucresia Mafia Thickwit. If sent out to kill then the mafia thickwit would have a 50% chance of Protecting the player instead. On the fifth vote recieved would get a post by the mod saying "Macros screamed. How could he possibly have five (or more votes) He stood up. "Listen you fools dont vote me - Vote BearTalon - hes the bloody GodFather of some unrelated mafia group that I am not a part of in any way. Hes been fooling you all into thinking he is something he is not, and I dont help him with any of the kills hes been doing. Unvote me now you beggars. Vote Beartalon the GF"
It is with a huge disappointment to me he never got voted. Id have loved to see BearTalon get out of that one. Macros/Lucresia was BearTalons worst nightmare.
Night choices by Macros/Lucresia 4. Killed (50% chance of failure) ralphmerridew.

18. Courk: Mafia Sabotuer. Courk was Bill Clinton, and worked on behalf of the mafia but wasnt known by them. She could control vote any player, but it also made them immune to being lynched. Her night choices were 1. RSA was forced to vote for Vegtable2001 2. WereBear was forced to vote BearTalon.

Serial Killers and Cults

19. Vegtable2001 Vampire. Each night Vegt was able to bite a player and convert them to a vampire. He had no affect on any evil character. Once he had vampires to order around he became their GodFather and could order them to bite players. What he didnt realise is each time a vampire was recruited they were allowed to disobey and bite ANY other player. If they BIT Vegt2001 for the fun of it it would kill Vegt and all other vampires bar themselves - who would become redeemed and guaranteed innocent by the mod at dawn. Vegt had a hellish game with his cult looking early on like the likely winners of the game, and I had it mentally noted that he would win. But the loss of two of his vampires consecutively followed by many attempts to recruit evil mafia caused the wheels to fall off his game. He recruited as follows 1. MacadamiaMan 2.Gaspode. 3.Planky (failed - evil) 4. Neo (failed-evil) 5. BearTalon (failed-evil). Had vegt been a cop hed be doing pretty well.

20. Planky Germ Warfare Expert. Originally the role was written to be a whore, but I decided to alter it for the sake of keeping the game clean. Each night the G.W.E would choose a player to infect with a virus. That virus would then spread to the carriers night choice, and kill the night choice. If the carrier made or had no night choice then they would die instead. Because planky was at risk of picking a player that could pick him back, he was made immune to all other forms of night attack and could only die by being lynched or by inadvertantly infecting himself. Night Choices. 1.Polotet (killed Saber Kitty) 2.CrackerJack (killed Quercitron) 3. RSA (killed RSA) 4.ralphMerridew (killed ralphmerridew)

21. ralphmerridew Corrupter. Could recorrupt any player announced as innocent by the mod to form a mini mafia group. Hitchhikers suicide on night 1 effectively destroyed ralphmerridews game. His only hope was the unlikely redemption of a vampire. He was an evil character who ended up just being an evil townie right from the start. Gotta feel sorry for him.

22. Neo Serial Poisoner. Basic SK role. Poisons a player to death each night Killing the mafia traitor handed the mafia the win outright, especially with BT's vote for the day counting double. Night Choices 1. No choice 2. Quercitron - already dead to planky 3. No choice 4. CrackerJack W 5. Trevize and oops - Neo says he was going to pretend to be the vigilante by killing trevize, but actually cost himself the game.

And thats the roles. Let me know if I missed anyone.

Amb

[This message has been edited by amb (edited 02-08-2003 04:48 AM).]

[xer0x]

w00t. Gotta love our luck... Go mafia!

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The c0pied, against all definition, transcends the c0pier. Je pense donc je suis.

[Planky]

[ralphmerridew]

It looks like the role I submitted (Mafia Spin Doctor) was split into the Framer & Accountant. Is that so? Who submitted each role, and what changes did you make?

Also, if HH1's role had been unconnected, I think the suicide clause would have been fair. But considering that I was depending on her, I think it was a bit much.

[Green Crayons]

Told you Macros was guilty.

[SaberKitty]

yay! go mafia!

[Beartalon]

Well, I'm glad Lucresia tok over Macros' role, and also that he wasn't here earlier in the game . As for Trevize, I accused him of being a traitor a long time ago, but I made him wait for his second mafia kill. I should have went with my gut feeling and killed him myself on Day 3.

We did submit our choices, but it didn't make a difference. The mafia (via Trevize) was going to kill chucky. xer0x was going to make me look innocent. It was pointless to protect Trevize, since the town already assumed he was evil. I was going to check Polotet's night choice.

We originally had xer0x make each night's mafia murderer look innocent. The first three nights we did. The fourth night we protected Trevize while Lucresia killed, since the town was out for his blood at that point, and me the next night.

Trevize, you have kissed my ring finger one last time. If I see you in the afterlife, you'll get to kiss it again, as it connects with your lying lips.

xer0x and Lucresia, thank you very much for your help. See you at the family reunion in Sicily. Bring your weapons. We're going to jiggle Uncle Antonio's accounting books and make him "look" dead.

[Beartalon]

And, thank you for your trust, Werebear

[Trevize]

one more night and I would have won this game all by myself. It was really hard not killing the mafia members because I needed them. I took a stab at the Godfather the first night and was planning to rize in status and dictate to the others what we should do. But after a failed first nights kill I decided to wait till the end.
Amb, how would you have delt with Beartalon telling you to your face that you might be a mafia traitor? My way seemed to have worked .
This was a AWSOME game!!! can we have another?

[Werebear]

Originally posted by Start Little 2, Snowbell the cat to Stuart:

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You know, people think you're such a nice guy. You're.. not.. so... nice.

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BACKSTABBER!!! Pah, you had me fooled. WTG, mafia. I will, however, point out that there WERE 10 killers among around 25 players... and that IS a lot.

[Beartalon]

I am not a backstabber. I prefer killing a person face to face and watching the realization of "I'm screwed" rising in their eyes.

[Vegtable2001]

Bah, I had such a great plan for endgame. I needed a recruit to do this, so i picked BT, who i even i was convinced was innocent. I would have the recruit claim forsenics investigator. Each night they take a blood test of a person. If they are evil that shows in their blood, however if they are protected i can't get a blood test, and end up with the same result Would have been awsome except that I kept failing my recruitments. I'm curious, why did the mafia decide to kill gaspode? I would have left him alive to be lynched the next day.

[Hitchhiker]

I really liked sending investigations to different people because it meant if someone died, they didn't take all the results of my investigations with them to the grave. Also I thought it would be more credible for someone saying "The priest can send investigation results; last night the results came to me" if other people had received similar results. If all the results went to the same person it would sound like a blatant lie. I think if I had a trustworthy enough person I might have started sending the results to them exclusively, but Planky never spoke up, Neo never spoke up, and the people I sent to them never died. So I had no way of knowing anything about the four of them until a bandwagon came up that involved any of them. And I couldn't be sure of BT's alignment because the person he outed was a vampire (technically neither mafia nor town) so outing him was a move designed to make BT look good no matter what. I loved this role. I wish it was in every game.

*goes into holy trace, lets fingers wander over keyboard*

GWB is part of the Big Oil Mafia...lynch him!

[Courk]

My family kills me then protects my killer. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

[Neo]

Umm, I tried to kill GC night one, which is how I figured out Chucky was telling the truth about being innocent.

[Neo]

[Amb]

Planky - you did recieve the information and you even MSN'd me to ask me a question about what it meant. I said roughly "It means Macros has been found guilty by a priest and the priest has seen fit to send it to you". You most definately recieved the information.

[Beartalon]

Courk, the mafia did not kill you. I sent in all the night choices for our group and you were never listed. Trevize did that on his own. We didn't knmow you were on our side until you died. I am still unsure how we were supposed to communicate with you. amb said that "we would know if it happened."

Vegt: The mafia killed Gaspode for three reasons - one was that we didn't know the vampires could not recruit already evil players, so it was a way to protect ourselves. Second, we didn't know if ALL the vampires got a night choice, or only one, so we were attempting to break a chain or slow down the multiplying of vampires. Third, it forced the town to decide to lynch someone else. At that point, we really had nothing else to determine anyone good or evil, so we acted on the information we had hoping more would come out in the day. No information really came out. That was risky for us, but it ended in a no-lynch.

[Vegtable2001]

I would like to compliment you BT, on your roleclaim in particular. It's very bold to try and act like a cop, particularly if you are a godfather. You pulled it off very well.

[Beartalon]

I'd like to think that I did it well, but luck was in my favour. If Werebear and I had not traded investigations on each other, I may not have discovered he was benevolent (we LET Werebear live a long time knowing that). He should have pushed more when I voted him one day, knowing I knew his investigation didn't harm me and that I looked innocent. In retrospect, that was a tip I inadvertantly gave. Then MacadamiamaN's lie about Gaspode and Trevize exposed him through my investigation. That was enough to make me look like a cop. I never had to say anything about my real role, but I also said that I only saw a night choice, not a revealment of good vs evil. That I had to determine for myself.

[Planky]

Amb: I would remember information like that, considering when someone else claimed to have recieved infomation from the priest, I would have backed them up with the info that I should have got on night one

[Lucresia]

[Courk]

I know the mafia didn't kill me, but it sounds better that way. Almost like a Springer episode. "My family let him kill me and now won't avenge my death!"

[Beartalon]

Courk, we'll avenge you. Uncle Antonio was pulling Trevize's strings

[jadesmar]

Originally posted by ralphmerridew in reply 291:

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It looks like the role I submitted (Mafia Spin Doctor) was split into the Framer & Accountant. Is that so? Who submitted each role, and what changes did you make?

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rm,. I sent the accountant role.

[crackerjack]

I didn't know if Trevize was guilty or innocent. Doctor protections are mostly random anyway. (I wasn't sure if my role was really as stated, since I tried to protect Quercitron and he died instead.) I protected Trevize from lynching because I thought he was a likely candidate for lynching and then have it be unsuccessful would be ... well, fun. I didn't realize that you would say straight up that he couldn't be lynched. But if I hadn't picked Trevize, then he'd have been called innocent, which would have been similarly harmful.

If we want to blame anyone, blame werebear for continually protecting the godfather!! =) Actually, I owe werebear my life (day two). Bah on NEO!! (I almost protected myself day four, but wanted to be able to post...)