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MatthewV
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The Cheshire Man
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 Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: 2 |
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Fantastic that I am the first to post my answer to our latest conundrum. Have I made out my own paragraph rightly? And is it not "why" or some such word that is what the enscription still lacks?
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ralphmerridew
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: 3 |
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| I see no need to mark your answer as wrong; I agree fully that it works. |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject: 4 |
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| I did not find the second decree so I am afraid I will run afoul of it. |
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Aalk4308
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:29 pm Post subject: 5 |
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| I am in the same place as dev: I think I found the first decree but not the second. Do we get the luxury of a hint if we are on the right track? |
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Thok
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| Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:52 pm Post subject: 6 |
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Ah, I think I see the first decree, but no adage has yet to inform me of decree two. I could (with just a word) drop a major hint to all that follow in my steps, as to the common theme that these many seem to know, but I will resist that feeling for now. But the flavor is tasty in this paragraph.
Writing this is hard!
Edit: Thanks for catching a word I did fail to edit Aalk. |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: 7 |
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The main page now looks for a post of the method behind this madness and I shall do my best. But not seeing decree two, my story cannot be told in full. Those six letters in the alphabet which make "facetiously" such an odd word, wherever they fall in every word, they must only do so in the alphabetic way and not backward or scrambled. The same letter again is OK. "Not being strict about the why" seems to signify that the last of these letters can fall in any place, but the words so far all seem to put it only rightly (last).Words with less than two of these letters satisfy the decree rather lamely, but are very helpful in writing sentences and paragraphs.
For fun I end with a Lynyrd Skynyrd rhythm on a crwth, and a syzygy, though they do not help tell about the decrees. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: 8 |
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| I put a line through all the sentences that did not satisfy the second decree. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: 9 |
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Oh, I almost completely forgot about this...Happy Day of Birth Dave10k  |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: 10 |
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| /dev/joe* wrote: |
| The six letters in the alphabet ... must only do so in the alphabetic way and not backward or scrambled. |
Oops, I erred with the first word of this sentence in my last post. I ran afoul of the first decree. Pretend it is "the" as in this copy.
Restriction two must not be difficult, as we seem to have met it in many sentences without it being known to us. Plus now we know it is based on sentences. It may count letters or sounds. Sentences do not need to have all six specific letters, but they can do so. I think "Without Amnesty" was struck out for being afoul of the second decree. |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: 11 |
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| As to the perplexing powers of this puzzle, do those words in the picture that are deleted grant any bearing to the meaning? |
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Tinhorn
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:54 am Post subject: 12 |
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| Oh, I almost completely forgot about this...Happy Day of Birth Dave10k Happy Birthday! |
[not rule-bound]Aw gee, thanks. Although being that I'm a Saggitarius, I suspect the sentence is puzzle-related.
Oddly, though, I just hung up from calling my dad and wishing him a Happy Birthday, as today *is* his birthday.[not rule-bound] |
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Aalk4308
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: 13 |
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| /dev/joe* wrote: |
| Sentences do not need to have all six specific letters, but they can do so. |
Dev, I think you may have just found the second decree! The first decree is that the words in every sentence must have key letters in alphabetic arrangement, and the second is that every sentence must have all the key letters. It's tough to say what the key letters are yet still satisfy the decrees! All I can think of is to say that they are the letters you have to buy on the game show with Pat Sajack.
As to why Without Amnesty is struck out, I don't know.
Last edited by Aalk4308 on Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:49 pm Post subject: 14 |
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[not following rule]Your birthday was listed over in VSN as being on 4/12...
The Without Amnesty is because that was the original title. The other words can help solve the first rule but were really just for artistic reasons. You see, I like making the pictures more than the puzzles...[/nfr] |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: 15 |
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| Aalk4308 wrote: |
| /dev/joe* wrote: |
| Sentences do not need to have all six specific letters, but they can do so. |
Dev, I think you may have just found the second decree! The first decree is that the words in every sentence must have key letters in alphabetic arrangement, and the second is that every sentence must have all the key letters. |
No. "My two decrees seemed graceful enough to preserve but were a decent challenge to record" from the game has no I. Thok's first sentence has all six, but Matthew struck it out. This is not a decree for this game. |
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Aalk4308
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| Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:19 am Post subject: 16 |
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| [not following rule]Oops, you're completely right! Not sure why I missed that. Very embarrassing. Oh well, time to stare at these paragraphs some more...[/nfr] |
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wartner*
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: 17 |
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| Could we have the solution to this one please? |
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wartner*
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:03 am Post subject: 18 |
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| YAGGAYAGGOYO!!! NE1 payin' attention? |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:17 am Post subject: 19 |
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| HET. no1 understand u? |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: 20 |
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[nfr]
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| I have never been a master of perplexing paragraphs but this hunch did work without me being sly. |
Translation: He did not disguise the rules used, unless you count not saying them. Two clauses joined by "but", the second being the active one.
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| My two decrees seemed graceful enough to preserve but were a decent challenge to record. |
Translation: The rules will have to be deduced from the paragraph. The main verb is in the second half of the sentance.
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| With my thinking and sleeping caps lost, allow me to arrange a thought. |
Okay, the verb is in the second clause here.
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| But now, where was I? |
The verb is also in the second clause, albeit the independent one.[/nfr]
Ah, the first decree may just have become apparent but I will need for now to test. With just reviewing my discussion of the perplexing, one can also see what my test will be. |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: 21 |
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I think all of us can see it if we can find the right tools to try.
tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' | tr 'AEIOUY' 'aeiouy' | tr -d '[A-Z]'
why am I on my own here ? |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: 22 |
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Sorry, that should be
why, you just need to ensure that the odd chap is on his own. |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject: 23 |
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Third attempt:
why, you just need to check that the odd chap is on his own.
By now I should see that I must need better glasses, eh. |
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raekuul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: 24 |
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[nfr]
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| tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' | tr 'AEIOUY' 'aeiouy' | tr -d '[A-Z]' |
What happened here?[/nfr] |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:30 pm Post subject: 25 |
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| raekuul, ironically following the first rule in his nfr text, wrote: |
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| tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' | tr 'AEIOUY' 'aeiouy' | tr -d '[A-Z]' |
What happened here?[/nfr] |
[nfr because it is way too much and too technical to write this way]
This is a script using the Unix tr command, which transforms the characters in the first argument (possibly using ranges as shown) into the respective characters from the second argument. The -d option deletes the characters instead. So the result of this command is that it changes all the vowels into lower case, deletes all the consonants, and leaves all the spaces and punctuation intact.
Cardfool seems to think the remaining rule has something to do with singleton words that have only one vowel, but I do not see it. Since all such words meet the first rule, they show up quite a lot and I would not be surprised to see several purely by accident in each sentence.
[/nfr] |
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Faran*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: 26 |
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| I agree that the first condition is that within each word the vowels (including y) should be in alphabetic order. If we're not being strict about the "why" (ie the y ) as long as a sentence includes a e i (or y) o and u then it seems to fulfill the second condition.Of course it may also need the letters w h and y ( or i) within it in any order - well we're not being strict about the w h y. |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: 27 |
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When you put the puzzle through the unix script provided (or just delete the consonants yourself) you get:
i ae ee ee a ae o eei aaa u i u i o iou e ei y. y o eee eee aeu eou o eee u ee a ee aee o eo. i y ii a eei a o, ao e o aae a ou. u o, ee a i?
So my wild guess for rule 2 is that: If there is a y in the sentence then it has to be in a word with no proper vowels. |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: 28 |
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| Cardfool, that works for those sentences, but not for the sentences here struck out or not by MatthewV. "Tasty" and "facetiously" were not struck out, but "Writing this is hard" was struck and it has no Y at all. "The main page now looks for a post of the method behind this madness and I shall do my best" was struck but its only Y is in "my". |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:37 am Post subject: 29 |
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Fair comment, although I notice that the sentence with "facetiously" in it breaks rule 1, but isn't crossed out.
I think that rule 2 is as stated, with the addition that every sentence must have exactly one y in it. Or maybe it's just that every sentence must have exactly one y in it. But perhaps I'm wrong, who knows ?[/spoiler] |
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cardfool*
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 8:39 am Post subject: 30 |
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| Whoops. Totally cancel that. Looks like I'm wrong. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 6:02 am Post subject: 31 |
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I have to look into it, but I believe this puzzle might be flawed :-(
Sorry for my laziness. I haven't felt like doing or reading anything for ages and it is starting to show. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject: 32 |
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I have never been a master of perplexing paragraphs but this hunch did work without me being sly. My ?two decrees? seemed graceful enough to preserve but were a decent challenge to record. With my thinking and [u]sleeping caps lost[/u], [u]allow me to arrange a thought[/u]. But now, where was I?
Does one person even know for 100% clearity what this puzzle is asking?
I notice some double's and I was thinking that this puzzle is asking about where the person of the paragraph lives, but I actually cannot be sure.
The sentances such as this one: I have never been a master of perplexing paragraphs but this hunch did work without me being sly. : do not use the word why but more of in context.... |
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Naboo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: 33 |
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Can someone PM me the answer to this one? I've just about given up  |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: 34 |
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Like I said, I believe it is flawed. I think that is why I have been avoiding updating for so long...
...there is a reason flys come out in the summer. Sorry. |
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Sentran*
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| Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: 35 |
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Bits that I've gleaned...
A sentence need not have every vowel in it. If it did, the sentence in the puzzle "My two decrees seemed graceful enough to preserve but were a decent challenge to record." would violate the rule, as it has no letter I in it. At first I thought that the Y is the only optional one, but then this sentence caught my attention. Could it be that there is an error in the puzzle itself, or do I need to keep looking? |
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/dev/joe*
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| Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: 36 |
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| [nfr]The puzzle creator said it is flawed. It could be that it was intended that each sentence contain all five vowels (and Y is optional for that rule, which explains the title). You are correct to notice that one of the sentences from the puzzle does not follow the rule. Also, one of the moderator crossouts in the early posts in the thread crossed out a sentence which contains all 6 vowels; this was discussed back on post 15. Other than these two errors, the rule does seem to fit everything we have.[/nfr] |
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Sentran*
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: 37 |
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Although the word Strict in the title on the picture is missing the R, I assume this to be an oversight, not a clue to the solution of the puzzle.
Please check my sentences to see if they conform to the rules in question. |
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Sanjo*
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: 38 |
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| Flawed or not, I'd really like to hear the solution. |
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