Mafia on the Orient Express - alko, MNOWAX, and CTD win

[CrashTextDummie]

Oh what the hell, no point in dragging it out.

Vote: Primate

Game over.

[MNOWAX]

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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MNOWAX

[MNOWAX]

oh how are ya crash?
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MNOWAX

[IH]

Ralph I know I'm dead and all, but can I point something out.....

It's three to a lynch, not two.
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[Primate]

CTD is SK.

I'll post more when I have time, which isn't now.

[Primate]

EBWODP

Note: the fact we have lost is not unknown to me.

[ralphmerridew]

Final Vote Count:

Primate: CrashTextDummie, MNOWAX

Not voting: Primate

Vote blocked: Talzor

With 4 alive and one voteblocked, it's only two to lynch. As such, Primate, Hercule Poirot (supercop with partial nightkill immunity) is lynched, and Talzor (mason) is endgamed.

[ralphmerridew]

Roles:

Town:

You, ralphmerridew, are M. Bouc. You got Hercule Poirot his spot on the train, and are desperate to find him and the doctor who examined the body, Dr. Constantine. Every night, you will find out whether or not one player of your choice is either of these two. When you find either one, the two of you become masons with each other. If you find both, the three of you will be masons together and you will become a simple townie (except for your mason partners).

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You, filibuster, are Dr. Constantine. At this point, all there is to do for you is to try to defend players. You may protect two from death during the night, but if both are attacked, the first one listed is protected while the second is abandoned. You will also find out the role names (but not the player names) of those who targetted each of your targets.

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You, Lauritz Melchior, are Hercule Poirot, the detective. Every night, you will be informed of the entire description of the role of any player you choose. You are very hardy when it comes to murder attempts on yourself, and as such you cannot be killed by any one killing group working alone. Something special will happen if you uncover all of the surviving members of a group, but that is for you to discover (maybe)…

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Welcome to the Masonry. The four of you have mutually decided to attempt to keep as many people alive as you can. You are all on the side of the town and may all talk with each other during the night. Mgm is Count Andrenyi. HyToFry is Countess Andrenyi. theopholis is Antonio Foscarelli. Talzor is Cyrus Hardman.

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Scum:

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Welcome to the Mafia. You will converse during the night, and one of you will send me a kill. The other two may also activate their special roles. Warning: not all players are immediately vulnerable to your attacks.

Amb is Princess Dragomiroff. If you do not send the kill, you may change any one player’s vote to any other player of your choice.

Quailman is Mrs. Hubbard. If you do not send the kill, you will appear to be town to all investigators.

Ignition4596 is Greta Ohlsson. If you do not send the kill, you may carefully watch another player to find out who targets that player, if anybody.

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Welcome to the Mafia. You will converse during the night, and one of you will send me a kill. The other two may also activate their special roles. Warning: not all players are immediately vulnerable to your attacks.

al_kohaulec is Edward Henry Masterman. If you do not send the kill, you may carefully follow another player to find out if that person is innocent or if that person belongs to another killing group…

8-ball is Pierre Michel. If you do not send the kill, you may block the choice of any one player.

Pooky is Hildegarde Schmidt. If you do not send the kill, you may negate the vote of any one player.

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Welcome to the Mafia. You will converse during the night, and one of you will send me a kill. The other two may also activate their special roles. Warning: not all players are immediately vulnerable to your attacks.

Xylax is Colonel Arbuthnot. If you do not send the kill, you may protect somebody from death each night (but not the player sending the kill).

phashizzles is Mary Debenham. If you do not send the kill, you may follow a player to find out who they targeted, if any.

Leonidas is Hector MacQueen. If you do not send the kill, you may place a permanent vote against any one player. That vote will stay with that player throughout the entire game.

[MNOWAX]

w00t GG everyone!
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[Primate]

I can't help but feel a little disappointed by this. We knew who all the scum were, really, but just couldn't kill them fast enough. The two scum who would automatically trump all endgames in their favour were silly as well.

Mnowax, I'm sorry about that tirade. I had to make it 100% clear to you that I was town, and having been in a nearly identical situation in the past, I tried what I did before, 'cause it had worked before. I was a little annoyed, but nowhere near as annoyed as I made out that I was. No hard feelings, yeah?

[MNOWAX]

none at all it was fun! especially when you were talking t omafia that way i knew you were innocent al investigated you night one
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[MNOWAX]

it also brought out the last scum we didn't know about, quail. he tried to jump on our tirade before amb was lynched.
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[Primate]

[Quailman]

I protested your post of the PM to the mod. I will never play in a game with you again if that's your style. It's the same as quoting the mod, and I belive you should have been killed instantly for it.

[Primate]

[Talzor]

Good game, shame that we lost, but given the amount of scum I think it's quite a feat we reached the end with as many townies as we did. I'm quite amazed that the mafia's didn't managed to kill Poirot. And thanks to the rest of masons, it was fun playing with you, I hope we get a chance to do it again.

Oh, and I agree with Quail. You should really only use text in a mafia game.

[ralphmerridew]

If Primate had simply quoted the message from Ether, I'd have had no problem. It was posting it as a screenshot that set everyone off (even though it's really not that difficult to fake the screenshot).

The town would have had a shot a winning, had it lynched CTD or MNOWAX; Quailman tried to kill MNOWAX his last night, but was roleblocked.

Also, I made one misstep. Night 2, right after I posted the lynch scene, Ether surprised me by sending a choice (filibuster) via AIM very suddenly. I gave the result before realizing that Ether might get blocked. MNOWAX's mafia sent a provisional choice blocking filibuster, then at the last minute changed their choices to block Ether instead.

[MNOWAX]

after al got killed, we had many options to choose from, as it got down to it , it we had made any different choice, it would have been prisoners dillema.
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[ralphmerridew]

The final night, most anything would have worked; this choice won the fastest.

That is, kill one mason and voteblock somebody else guarantees an immediate win.
Kill either mason will have today ending in a no-lynch (or the town would have to give in), with a win tomorrow.
Killing and roleblocking Poirot would similarly have today end in no-lynch (though you wouldn't have realized that).
Voteblocking anybody guarantees that today is at least a nolynch.

The only way to lose would be to kill Poirot and roleblock somebody else.

[theopholis]

Excellent game. I thought the mechanics of the game worked well, and despite the large number of scum involved I think it was a well balanced. I also find it fascinating that given all of the scum in this game Talzor and I were the ones that everyone found the scummiest until Primate cleared us. Well played, everyone, and congrats to the winners.

[IH]

Aw, how dissapointing.

Hey Ralph, after Ether died, we were talking about the different methods of killing. Were the methods limited to groups, or were they randomly decided? We thought we had come down to one remaining Mafia and a SK.

Apparently not = / how dissapointing, I blew it by not taking my role into account. Pheh, but I was pretty close, except for the second set of masons!
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[ralphmerridew]

Each person had an individual method of kill. (Pierre Michel strangled; Mrs. Hubbard shot, and so on.) There wasn't any real pattern to what each role did. (Whenever a new role killed, I picked a new method largely at random.)

When you say "not taking your role into account", do you mean that you didn't realize alko had to have killed filibuster?

[Ether]

Dramatic, MNOWAX. ^_^;

[ralphmerridew]

Primate:
Can I post communications with my mason partner in thread?



rm:
Having been mentioned in a mason discussion does not disqualify it from being posted publicly.

(That is, you can't use it as a loophole to reveal something I've sent you, but it's okay to reveal most anything else.)



Primate:
Don't worry, I was just wondering If I could post discussion between the two of us in case I need to add credence to our masonhood with her dead. I won't do anything like what you suggested.



Nothing Primate mentioned indicated it would have a screenshot.


(There is a well-known method for protecting mason-buddies beyond the grave: During life, post a message, and hide a sentence within it identifying your partner. Then, at night, tell him how & where you hid it. If you die, he can announce the clue. I did this in Roger Rabbit mafia; one mason was killed night one, so I wrote a post containing the word "second", and the second letter of each word spelled out "mole mason". It happened that mole and I both survived to the endgame, so this wasn't necessary, but it would have helped him had I died.)

[al_kohaulec]

That was a fun game, but what was disappointing was the number of scum. Scum was lynched how often? Once/day? Who still managed to win? Mafia? I'm happy to win, but it seemed too biased against the town. MNOWAX's play disappointed me greatly day one, but after that it was amazing and I was truly surprised by your play. Good job, congratulations you two on finishing up the game and winning it.

It was fun.
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[Amb]

(I did this with a mason once, where I made their name in a post with every first letter. Just before he got lynched he pointed it out. He was then revealed as mafia. I got vigged that night....)

[IH]

[IH]

EBWOP:Actually Al, it all depended on WHO got lynched, and investigated. If CTD had not been alive, town would have had a reasonable chance. It all depended on who was alive at the end of the game. CTD could block a vote, and that's the only thing that ended the game.

Also, I had some pretty strong suspicions about Mnowax the whole game, especially when I replaced in and claimed roleblocker, I said to myself "He's probably a roleblocker, but he's probably not protown"

Also Primate, another thing that would have ruined your plan would be the godfathers of course. If you would have decided to kill CTD and investigate quail one of those nights, things would have turned out a little different of course. (Quail only came up innocent if he didn't send in the kill)
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[ralphmerridew]

Quail would also appear guilty if roleblocked.

[Ether]

"We?" No, no. Vigs were out of the question. Actually, I was half-expecting a mafia vigilante for a very short time, but disproved that somehow. My last optimistic thought was that IH and Alko were separate and each had one scumbuddy; maybe one having two.

Hmm. Since Primate received roles as well as names, what would Quailman's role have been?

Also, who nightkilled whom? There were a lot of missed nightkills.

[CrashTextDummie]

So Primate investigated Quail on the last night, correct? Actually, a list of all nightchoices would be nice.

To be honest, I was very surprised by how easily we went through D4. Primate could have known that we were scum by virtue of not receiving a "Mafia X has been wiped out" message when Amb died. Quailman knew we were scum as well. If either player would have revealed that there were 3 scum left and the town was essentially in lylo, I'd imagine it would have been very tough for us to get Quail lynched.

It pleases me that I was finally able to put my power to use on the last day, as I was the designated hitman for most of the game.

I'm not a big fan of games where scum outnumber town, but the balance wasn't too bad. To say the least, it was imbalanced towards every group. It could be argued that our group had the best combination of powers, but there was nothing to prevent us being anihilated like the other scumgroup, and we only got into a position of power by sheer luck (or rather, IH blowing himself up ).

GG, everyone, thanks Ralph for modding, and thanks to my partners, who were a blast to nighttalk to and played really well in my opinion.

PS: That post was hilarious, IH.

PPE: Ether, we tried to kill Primate the night Alko died. Apart from that, all our kills went through.

[Primate]

Well, my ability was to recieve a bonus when a mafia died, not to be informed of mafia groups being wiped out. I assumed that I'd had my fill, and my abilty once the first group went down. I only got any hints as to otherwise once we lynched Quail.

[ralphmerridew]

Night 1:
LM/Primate (HP) investigates Talzor (Cyrus Hardman, Mason)
rm/Ether (Bouc) checks Leonidas (not HP or Constantine)
filibuster (Dr. C) protectects Leonidas & Quailman (blocked; result: nobody targeted them, but was informed he might have missed something)
HTF, Mgm, theopholis, Talzor (masons) do nothing

IH/Ignition (A mafia watchman) watches CTD/Pooky (nobody targeted CTD/Pooky)
amb (A mafia votechanger) kills HyToFry
Quailman (A mafia godmother) looks innocent

al_kohaulec (B mafia cop) checks LM/Primate (good)
MNOWAX/8-ball (B mafia roleblocker) blocks filibuster
CTD (B Mafia negator) kill phashizzles

phashizzles (C mafia tracker) ???
Xylax (C mafia doc) ???
Leonidas (C mafia permanent voter) ???

Results: HTF, phashizzles dead

Day 1: Xylax modkilled for not sending a role, Leonidas lynched. Primate notified that he has investigated all living members of the Alpha Mafia.


Night 2:
Primate checks Mgm (dead mason)
Ether checks filibuster (****)
filibuster protects amb & Primate
Mgm, Talzor, theopholis do nothing

IH watches filibuster (al_kohaulec is the only person to target fili)
amb kills Mgm
Quailman looks innocent

al_kohaulec kills filibuster
CTD voteblocks alko
MNOWAX blocks Ether

Result: filibuster, Mgm dead

Day 2: IH lynched

Night 3:

Primate checks theopholis (mason), also gets Ether's role email
Ether checks Primate (Poirot), also gets Primate's role email
theopholis, Talzor do nothing

amb make theopholis vote for Ether
Quailman kills alko

al_kohaulec checks amb (no result as he died)
MNOWAX blocks theopholis
CTD kills Primate (blocked as single kill)

Day 3: amb lynched

Night 4:
Primate does not send a choice
Ether no longer has a choice
theopholis, Talzor do nothing

Quailman kills MNOWAX (blocked)

MNOWAX blocks Quailman
CTD kills Ether

result: Ether dead

Day 4: Quailman lynched, Primate informed he has investigated all living members of the beta mafia.

Night 5:
Poirot investigates CTD (mafia voteblocker)
theopholis, Talzor do nothing
MNOWAX kills theopholis
CTD voteblocks Talzor

[al_kohaulec]

[MNOWAX]

[Quailman]