You think you know it, but you don't...

[Mr. President]

Ok, this looks like another lateral, but it is completely different. Just for fun I will use the exact same wording...

Jay pointed at the doorway. Everyone else in the room looked where Jay was pointing – everyone except Leonard, that is. As a result, Leonard was imprisoned.

[Milt]

Is Jay human?
Is Leonard human?
Is there anyone else in the room besides Jay and Leonard?
Is Leonard blind?
Does Jay hold some position of authority?
Was Leonard a suspect of some crime?
Was Jay?

[Death Mage]

I thought his name was "Tom"....

[Sofis]

Did Jay point at the doorway because someone was standing in it?
Did Jay point at the doorway because of some feature of the doorway?
Are the other people in the room relevant?
Were everyone gathered in the room for some specific purpose?
Is Jay's occupation relevant?
Is Leonard's?
Do Jay and Leonard know eachother? Well? Superficially? At all?

Did Leonard know that Jay was pointing at something?

Did Leonard wear glasses? If so, was he wearing them?
Did Leonard have a glass/fake eye?
Did Leonard have any sort of eye problem?

Was Leonard capable of looking at where Jay was pointing, if he knew that Jay was pointing at something?

Was there anything in the doorway?

Did Leonard look at something else in particular while everyone else turned toward the doorway?

Did Jake say something while pointing that resulted in Leonard not looking?

Assuming a crime was committed...
Did Leonard prove himself to be guilty?
Did everyone else looking at the doorway prove themselves to be innocent?

[Mr. President]

Is Jay human? Yes
Is Leonard human?Yes
Is there anyone else in the room besides Jay and Leonard?Yes
Is Leonard blind?No
Does Jay hold some position of authority?Yes
Was Leonard a suspect of some crime?Yes
Was Jay?He thinks so anyway...

Did Jay point at the doorway because someone was standing in it? No
Did Jay point at the doorway because of some feature of the doorway? No
Are the other people in the room relevant? Not really
Were everyone gathered in the room for some specific purpose? Sort of...
Is Jay's occupation relevant? It will help.
Is Leonard's? No
Do Jay and Leonard know eachother? Well? Superficially? At all? Not really...
Did Leonard know that Jay was pointing at something? No... Good question.

Did Leonard wear glasses? No If so, was he wearing them?
Did Leonard have a glass/fake eye? No
Did Leonard have any sort of eye problem? No

Was Leonard capable of looking at where Jay was pointing, if he knew that Jay was pointing at something? Yes.

Was there anything in the doorway? Yesish...

Did Leonard look at something else in particular while everyone else turned toward the doorway? Excellent question. Yes he did.

Did Jake say something while pointing that resulted in Leonard not looking? Yes

Assuming a crime was committed... Yes
Did Leonard prove himself to be guilty? Pretty much
Did everyone else looking at the doorway prove themselves to be innocent? They weren't under quetsion...

[Mr. President]

I'll be gone over the weekend but will answer again on Monday...

[dethwing]

*SPOILER. HIGHLIGHT AT OWN RISK*


He was on trial for killing someone, and near the end of the trial it was announced that the person he had killed was actually alive and was coming to the courtroom. Everyone turned to look, except the man(i suddenly forget his name). He knew he wasnt coming cause he really had killed him.

[Chuck]

What a stupid solution!

This is the most stupid lateral I've ever seen. I don't think there's anyone on earth who wouldn't look if told that someone he killed was coming through the door.

[Jen Aside]

That's the answer to the OTHER lateral, which he says is different.

[The Cheshire Man]

Who said the crime in question was murder?

Jay and Leonard and whoever else was in the room were playing poker, and Leonard was winning. When Jay pointed at the door behind Leonard, Leonard didn't look because he could already see the door...in the mirror on the far wall he was reading the other player's cards in.

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[Marvin]

That must be pretty high stakes if Leonard gets imprisoned for not looking.
Is Jay a detective investigating the crime?

[Icarus]

Is the only difference with this latteral the fact that Jay said "The killer could walk through that door at any time" while pointing at the door ?

So since Leonard knew he was really the killer, he didn't bother to look toward the door ?

Or are we assuming Leonard was convicted of murder ?

If it wasn't murder, then was it simply the real perpetrator of the crime ?

In other words, did Jay elude to the criminal instead of the victim could walk through that door at this moment ?




[This message has been edited by Icarus (edited 01-27-2002 08:40 PM).]

[Handsome Dan]

Is this taking place in a courtroom?
Does everyone mean the jury, or everyone in the courtroom?
Was there a person in the doorway?
Was there a person through the doorway in an adjacent room?
Was there somethign about the doorway itself that they were all looking at?
Did Leonard not believe the reasoning for looking at the doorway, and thus did not look?
Was the doorway directly behind Leonard (irrelevant?)
Did Leonard look out a window?
Did Leonard look at another person?
Did Leonard look up? Down?
Was Leonard duped into looking at something besides the doorway?
Did he want to look at something else under these specific circumstances?

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[Mr. President]

Yes Dethwing, this is a different lateral, so that solution is not correct. Neither is the card playing one...

Is Jay a detective investigating the crime? Yes.

Is the only difference with this latteral the fact that Jay said "The killer could walk through that door at any time" while pointing at the door ? No

So since Leonard knew he was really the killer, he didn't bother to look toward the door ?You are assuming here.
Or are we assuming Leonard was convicted of murder ?You are... and wrongly
In other words, did Jay elude to the criminal instead of the victim could walk through that door at this moment ?No

Is this taking place in a courtroom?No
Does everyone mean the jury, or everyone in the courtroom?No to both
Was there a person in the doorway?No
Was there a person through the doorway in an adjacent room?No
Was there somethign about the doorway itself that they were all looking at?No
Did Leonard not believe the reasoning for looking at the doorway, and thus did not look?No
Was the doorway directly behind Leonard (irrelevant?)Irrelevant
Did Leonard look out a window?Yes
Did Leonard look at another person?No
Did Leonard look up? Down?Down
Was Leonard duped into looking at something besides the doorway?Absolutely
Did he want to look at something else under these specific circumstances?No

Good questions...

[T McAy]

Are the people in the room involved in some version of the Poirot "all will be revealed" wrap up of a sleuth's investigation?

Is there something preventing/hindering Leonard from seeing Jay at the moment Jay points at the door?

Is there something preventing/hindering Leonard from hearing Jay at the moment Jay points at the door?

Did Jay say something when he pointed at the door? If yes, was a person's name part of the speech?

[Handsome Dan]

Did Leonard being duped have to do with homonyms?
Did Leonard kill someone?
Did his being duped involve the person he killed?
Was there some confusion in Leonard's mind between the window and the doorway?
Was there somethign outside Leonard was looking for?
Did he find it?
Did Leonard look at a person?
Was Jay actually pointing at something, or was he just trying to direct the attention of the people?
Does Leonard know that Jay is pointing somewhere?
Is Leonard actually guilty?
Is Jay framing him?
Is Jay a lawyer or a judge?
Is the law involved in anyway?
Is the Jay proving Leonard guilty of somethign between the two of them? A personal dispute?
Is this in a house?
An office building?
A church?
A police station?
Interrogation room?

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[JEK595]

Did Leonard know something the rest of the people didn't?
Or vice versa?

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[Jen Aside]

"It's only an arrow flight away!" *said while looking at a narrow flight of stairs*

"Well, go outside and look for it!"

:P Whee, Encyclopedia Brown.

[Handsome Dan]

*high-fives Jen Aside*

Did this have to do with misinterpretation of language? (this was my original intent for the homonyms question)

[This message has been edited by Handsome Dan (edited 01-29-2002 12:59 AM).]

[Mr. President]

Are the people in the room involved in some version of the Poirot "all will be revealed" wrap up of a sleuth's investigation?Not really...
Is there something preventing/hindering Leonard from seeing Jay at the moment Jay points at the door?No, he just wasn't paying attention.

Is there something preventing/hindering Leonard from hearing Jay at the moment Jay points at the door?No, he hears him...

Did Jay say something when he pointed at the door? YES!If yes, was a person's name part of the speech?No

Did Leonard being duped have to do with homonyms?Yes, kind of... Excellent question.
Did Leonard kill someone?No
Did his being duped involve the person he killed?
Was there some confusion in Leonard's mind between the window and the doorway?No
Was there somethign outside Leonard was looking for?Not really... but kind of
Did he find it?No
Did Leonard look at a person?No
Was Jay actually pointing at something, or was he just trying to direct the attention of the people?direct the attention.
Does Leonard know that Jay is pointing somewhere?Not really...
Is Leonard actually guilty?Yes
Is Jay framing him?No
Is Jay a lawyer or a judge?No
Is the law involved in anyway? Yes
Is the Jay proving Leonard guilty of somethign between the two of them? A personal dispute?Not between just the two of them.
Is this in a house?YES!
An office building?No
A church? No
A police station? No
Interrogation room? No

[Mr. President]

I go to all that work and then see that it was solved! Yes, that is the correct answer, and yes, I got if from Encycolpedia Brown. The puzzler's primer...

Nice going all...

Oh, and for those that don't know the story. Leonard took his expensive diamond, and attached it to an arrow, which he then shot out into a tree in a nearby forest. He then claimed the diamond as stolen and was going to collect on the insurance money. But the police found the diamond, but couldn't prove it was Leonard. (he would claim that the robber must have shot the arrow, and he was guiltless). So Jay the detective went in with several witnesses and told Jay they may have located the diamond. Leonard demanded where it was and Jay said, "It's just an arrow flight away", while motioning to the doorway to a flight of stairs. Leonard looked out the window and said, "Then go outside and look for it!", thus proving his guilt.

Of course none of that would stand up in court... Encyclopedie Brown lived in a happier 'Perry Mason/Poirot' kind of world...

[Handsome Dan]

I never could figure out Encyclopedia Brown Puzzles, always had to read the back. I'm so bad at this.

[Mr. President]

What are you talking about? You were asking all the right questions. You would have had it in another day or two...

[Jen Aside]

What? That was the answer? I thought it was just a joke...



I guess I should've said, "It's in the flower can!" *said after handing the guy a can of flour*

[Mr. President]

When I first read the other lateral, that is the first solution to pop into my mind. When the answer turned out to be something different, I thought it would be fun to post my first though. I should go back, there are probably a bunch of those stories that could be made into laterals...