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Agamemnon
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 Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: 1 |
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Just recieved a letter through our door this morning, warning us of the impending Blighty leg of the Tour de France, which will be whizzing just passed our road on Sunday 8th July. I will literally be about 50 yards away from the racers as part of the first leg goes through my town of Gravesend.
I'll see if I can get some pictures of nice shiney toe-clips in action. |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:23 pm Post subject: 2 |
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| I hate races and parades. They always get between me and where I want to go. Do you have a map of the Arizona leg? |
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Courk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject: 3 |
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| I never knew the Tour didn't entirely take place in France. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:58 am Post subject: 4 |
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It strikes me as weird that it's the Tour de France but comes to Britain nowadays. Not that I have anything against it, but it is an... odd thing to have decided, isn't it?
My sadist opps I mean dentist sister lives in Tenterden. She'll probably get a good view. |
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Aga*
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: 5 |
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The tour has been in many places outside of France, for example....
1987: Berlin is the starting city
1992: Tour starts in Spain
1998: Dublin is the starting city
...plus, on numerous occasions, the tour heads into other countries such as Holland, Belgium and Luxembourg. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: 6 |
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| I know it does go outside France. I just think that it's "odd" that they started doing it. I can understand the wish to expand maybe, but without changing its designation, to me it seems a little like the Oxford v. Cambridge boat race being held on the Seine instead of the Thames. Like I said though, I have nothing against it at all. |
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Courk
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:13 pm Post subject: 7 |
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| Question about the map: What are A2 and M2, etc? I'm assuming they're highways, but why does the one go from A2 to M2 and back to A2? |
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Lepton*
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: 8 |
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| Do the racers pedal through the maintenance tube of the Chunnel or do they attach flippers to their bicycles to cross the Channel? |
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worm
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: 9 |
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| Courk wrote: |
| Question about the map: What are A2 and M2, etc? I'm assuming they're highways, but why does the one go from A2 to M2 and back to A2? |
maybe it's like what happens to 290 in Austin...it takes a little detour on one of the other highways (I-35), so there's a stretch of I-35 that's sorta 290 at the same time.
or maybe it's nothing like that  |
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Courk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: 10 |
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| I think it's more than that (or I want it to be more than that) since the numbers match up so nicely. A2->M2->A2 and A23->M23 |
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Courk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: 11 |
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Also, where do people typically live in Austin? I'm not counting a university as a typical area to live, nor do I count camps, country clubs, parks, golf courses, or random grayed-out areas as places where one typically lives. By my standards, there aren't many places left.
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worm
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| Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: 12 |
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| Courk wrote: |
| Also, where do people typically live in Austin? I'm not counting a university as a typical area to live, nor do I count camps, country clubs, parks, golf courses, or random grayed-out areas as places where one typically lives. By my standards, there aren't many places left. |
pretty much in all the non-randomly greyed out areas
considering nearly 10% of the population goes to UT...those areas near the university are pretty jam-packed and come at a premium.
the parks, country clubs and golf courses are similar...they're more of a selling point for realtors and apartment complexes, but yeah, i guess there are a lot of them. |
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Dented Ford
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: 13 |
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| Courk wrote: |
| Question about the map: What are A2 and M2, etc? I'm assuming they're highways, but why does the one go from A2 to M2 and back to A2? |
M stands for "motorway" (ie a freeway, with a central reservation or median) and a hard shoulder (emergency lane) plus specific regulations about who/what is allowed to drive on it, and special access and exit roads (you can't ever exit by turning right across the opposite traffic stream), emergency phones at regular intervals, etc.
A stands for primary road, which may or may not be a dual-carriageway (ie with a central reservation or median).
The route numbers are the historic route numbers from way back, I have no idea who or how the classifications have been made in recent decades, but the numbers started out as the primary routes out of London.
The A1 was the original primary route from London to the North. The A2 was the original primary route from London via Canterbury to Dover (following as it did for a large part the old Roman road, Watling Street, which had even previously been used as a Celtic trackway).
M1 and M2 became designations for motorways after they started to build a motorway network, where the M1 is an alternative to the A1 (the A1 in part was upgraded to be dualled to pseudo motorway standard, and has an odd designation A1(M) in places, meaning it's the equivalent of a motorway, but not subject to the same regulations).
The A2 in its present course makes a bypass of most towns as opposed to following the original Watling Street (which stretches from Kent in the Southeast of England to Chester in the Northwest) which naturally passed right through most original settlements. It is entirely dualled and the section between London and the M2 is three lanes in each direction and four in parts, with emergency lane or hard shoulder and equivalent to a motorway in most ways. It doesn't have, but arguably could have a designation A2(M), in the same way as the A1(M). The major trunk route flows from the London end of the A2 to the M2 and non-motorway traffic is filtered off, while the route carries on in its M designation. At the end of the M2, it flows on without interruption into the A299 "Thanet Way" which leads to northeast Kent, or by filtering off and forking onto the A2 you can continue to Canterbury and Dover.
Anyway, the original road networks had a classification (A or B) and an identification number (A1, A2 ... A249, B2049, etc) - I don't know for sure but I don't believe there's any B1 or B2 etc, the most important routes were originally identified way back and numbered. Sometimes a B route will be upgraded to an A route with the same number. Sometimes it might be replaced by an A route which has a different number.
And yes, Courk, you are right, there is a correlation between the M and A numbers. A motorway will always be given the classification M plus the number of the route which it is supposed to replace (or to which it is meant to provide the logical alternative trunk route). So they wouldn't build a new motorway and give it a "new" number, it would be the M number of the appropriate alternative route. (I think.) |
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jesus_saves
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: 14 |
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Its funny, Courk, when I saw your post with the map, I was all like "Oh look! Courk made a picture of circles out of worm's map!" not paying attention to the fact that there was a point to them.
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Endymion
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: 15 |
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| When are they coming - can I come along and clap? |
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ChienFou
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: 16 |
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Yes, the numbers were allocated on the basis of radials from London and pretty much they all go to sea ports
A1 to edinburgh (N)
A2 to Dover (SE)
A3 to Southampton (SW)
A4 to South Wales, (Cardiff) (W)
A5 to Liverpool (NW)
The A6 series is used out of Manchester
The A7, A8 and A9 series are used in Scotland
Between the A1 and A2 are the A10, A11 (I live on it), A12, A13,
Between the A2 and A3 are the A20, A21, A22, A23 and A24
and so on. The A roads have up to 3 digits, so there's an A127 between the A12 and A13 for example.
The B Roads usually have 4 digits, and usually the first two digits are related to a nearby arterial.
The M roads came much later and are as already described
Hope that helps. |
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Agamemnon
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: 17 |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: 18 |
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I like the picture only of people on motorcycles  |
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Chuck
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: 19 |
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| One of the riders with a motorcycle will probably win. |
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ChienFou
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: 20 |
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| stood on a minor road just outside Canterbury 3km from the finish with a friend and, (no barriers) at the street's edge they were no more than 2 feet from me, travelling downhill at 40mph. The wind rush was amazing. VERY impressive |
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