Manatee Mafia - Game Over

[Talzor]

Sorry for the silence. Busy last week and my PSU died a horrible and violent death saturday evening, but I still read the GL at after work.

I'm still somewhat suspecious of BT, but after Matt's death he have got a few things going for him, so I'm okay with giving him a break and the Chuck-worm connection seems somewhat thin (to say the least). I'll support the MAG vagon Vote Middle Aged Guy and I think we should get a prod of LO and Ctorj.

[Courk]

Vote Count:

Middle Aged Guy - 4 - (worm, Quailman, pete d, Talzor)

Beartalon - 3 - (Poisonium, Tseirp, Middle Aged Guy)

[Beartalon]

[Dented Ford]

Beartalon... under a cloud. Perhaps not deserved, but has been the only serious lynch candidate still in the game, until the MAG bandwagon started. Claims a OS (used) self-protection option, therefore now vanilla townie.

Ctorj... an unknown quantity, one post since replacing another inactive player.

Dented Ford... a dithering idiot newb, trying to get an idea of how to find what's suspicious or not.

Dragon Phoenix... decisively convicting, has made some good insightful posts, leading to successful lynches of anti-towners. Vote Dragon Phoenix for mayor!

Livingod... has been replaced in another mafia game due to inactivity.

Middle Aged Guy... subject of the latest bandwagon. Seems to be building due to suspicion of being scum revving just below radar without actually lurking idly. Non-committal, unopinionated comments on the whole. I had an uneasy feeling about him early on, largely due to a seeming overreaction to day one random voting - hardly serious grounds for concern but doesn't help his case.

pete d... need a re-re-reread to really get the full picture for anything concrete to say about pete d, except from the early days I seem to remember some good analytical contributions which (quickly goes back and checks, yes post #193 is an example in point) help to form a view.

Poisonium... replaced jesus_saves, about whom I had a faint (groundless, apart from gut feeling) suspicion. No reason since replacement to think Poisonium has been suspicious. Maybe that's just because he's a smooth scum, but I can't feel right in condemning anyone based on a groundless suspicion of the previous player.

Quailman... has made some useful comments, involved in some good bandwagons leading to lynching confirmed scum. Vote Quailman as Dragon Phoenix's deputy!

Talzor... I had some suspicions about Talzor earlier on. He was quite involved in a particular altercation with Chuck & Fuldu (now replaced) about pre-emptive speculations, which on review and in reference to the way things panned out with Chuck, who was probably a rather desperate scum, I am not suspicious of Talzor at present.

Tsierp... Claims role of Chessie manatee - giving the lie to Chuck's claim of the same role. There can't seriously be a doubt that Tsierp is Chessie => manatee => town.

worm... no real grounds for suspicion, although there's a current mention which I don't quite get, as to his connection with Chuck and being a tracker scientist. On quick review of pete d's analysis from earlier (mentioned above) there's some subsequent posts in which worm tries to explain away stuff with some fairly weak "oh well" sort of stuff - but even that's more convincing than some of my dithering, so is it really suspicious? Dunno.

Have I missed anyone? Is any of that remotely useful?

[Dented Ford]

I did get that right didn't I Beartalon, you are vanilla townie now? Your one-shot self protection ability got used night 2?

[worm]

[Beartalon]

Yes, Dented Ford. I'm just a basic townie now.

[Dented Ford]

And @Beartalon again, your OS ability was just a self-protection measure?

[Dented Ford]

EBWODP
And @Beartalon again, your OS ability was just a self-protection measure?

Or did you get any other feedback at all about Amb's music? Or anything else useful?

[Beartalon]

Yes, my one shot was self-protection only.

Amb never explained the music he heard. I can't imagine what at sea would make music, unless it was whale song, or the tempting song of a siren (from Greek myth), or the song of a mermaid.

[Dented Ford]

Hmm, well when I did some reviewing I saw a few things. There's something up here.

[worm]

my take on that...

wouldn't pointing out that he could only protect himself from the start take away from his usefulness to the town?

if mafia saw that it was self-protection only wouldn't the natural reaction be "why go after him...he's probably protecting himself?" whereas by not mentioning the self-only part, it may have drawn mafia to him and away from other townies.

as far as the song goes, i don't see why it would have to originate from the sea if amb (courk) heard it.

[worm]

i should let bear do his own defending i should know better

i've been too quick to respond, lately. maybe i should sit back a little and let the posts sink in.

[Quailman]

It doesn't add up. I agree with Dented Ford that BT must be the GF. Asking for a cop to clear him, claiming a one-shot self protection and the constantly-evolving role claim are too much to buy into.

vote: Beartalon

I am still curious as to what killed amb. Perhaps his role as mod/doc was limited to existing while there were still a certain number of scum remaining. Or maybe he was vig-killed. What sort of role would be a vig? A Fish & Wildlife officer who can protect the manatees and eliminate a supposed threat?

I think we're left with one scum and the GF (can he kill?), or two scum and no GF.

[Quailman]

...and just to make sure it counts: unvote: Middle Aged Guy; vote: Beartalon

[Beartalon]

worm: that's a good idea, since people already think I'm scum.
In this case you are right. I deliberately left it vague to stay alive for the first few nights. I even said so in post 578.

Quailman: I looked up the "removed due to Section 23.7, Paragraph 4", and found nothing authoritative. You had previously mentioned the Endangered Species Act, but it's sections number less than 23. I myself have wondered if Amb was the GF, and also the town doc. Wouldn't that be a conflicted role...

With these last votes, Middle_Aged_Guy and I are both tied at 5, with two voters left to weigh in to make one person's vote seven.

I've played this game scummily, I know, but I'm not. Hopefully you'll find out the truth soon.

[Beartalon]

I can't count.

Expected Role Claim at Lynch-1:

Name: none given
Genus: Dugong
Species: Dugong dugon
Ability: Protect myself once by retreating to my home waters.

And from Wikipedia - my closest modern relative is Stellar's Sea Cow (extinct in real life, and here as well)

[Dragon Phoenix]

Bearty claimed a role that included something like protecting himself by retreating to native waters earlier in the game. BEFORE Tseirp claimed a quite similar ability and definition. If he is scum, he must have been provided this info by the mod or he is very very clever. And lucky.

I buy his story for now. Off to look at Middle_Aged_Guy in more detail.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, that did no take long. And I can see where the Middle Aged Guy voters are coimng from. Nothing really stands out, but it all adds up.

Vote Middle Aged Guy
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[Beartalon]

That leaves Livingod and Ctorj to weigh in.

[Poisonium]

Unvote: BearTalon
Dugong has to be to be in the game. Even if just as a mafia safe claim. I'll buy it. For now.

[Quailman]

I think I was looking at BT's post from front to back when I thought they were back to front. That's why I missed the early claim of retreating to native range.

unvote: Beartalon

[Dented Ford]

still sticking with my vote.

[Beartalon]

Middle Aged Guy, you're at Lynch - 1. Your commentary may be helpful.

[Middle Aged Guy]

As you will have noted, I am a Middle Aged Guy of few words ... but here are some more for you:

Living God's last contribution was to say "I'm back" on September 1st.
Ctorj's only contribution was on September 22nd.
... and I am accused of "lurking"?


Earlier in the game, I drew a comparison between myself and TGC who was lynched for not following the "house-style" of participation in this game. Although TGC's style was totally different to mine, I repeat the comparison here ... the fact that I tend to consider the available facts carefully before making any contribution, and then tend not to change my vote very often may be in contrast to some others, but that is no less a viable strategy than switching votes on an apparently random basis.


My vote stays with Beartalon. He was suspicious before and is even more suspicious now.

[Poisonium]

Too careful.

Major FoS: MAG
(but no hammer yet)

[Beartalon]

Poisonium, Ctorj and Livingod are left to vote.

If the search function works correctly:
Ctorj's last post was on September 22
Livingod's was on September 3

How likely is it that they are still playing?

[Poisonium]

Vote: Middle Aged Guy
After reading your posts I've made up my mind ( ). Die scum.

[Courk]

Middle Aged Guy - 7 - (worm, pete d, Talzor, Beartalon, Dragon Phoenix, Quailman, Poisonium)

In lieu of somehow putting cement shoes on MAG, you instead settle for cementing his propeller. As the motor boat gracefully sank to the bottom of the ocean, the townspeople rejoiced. It was very reminiscent of the end of Star Wars Episode VI. Ewoks even showed up to sing their song. It was beautiful.

Congrats, town, you have cemented Middle Aged Guy, the motor boat, mafia GF.


The Roles:

Middle Aged Guy, you are a Motor Boat. As a leading cause of human-related manatee deaths, you are the mafia GF. This allows you to be immune to investigation. You kill by leaving deep gashes on your victim. The mafia win when there are no other players left and there is at least 1 mafia alive. You can talk to your fellow mafia at night only.

groza528, you are a Canal Lock. You are mafia. You kill by crushing your victims. The mafia win when there are no other players left and there is at least 1 mafia alive. You can talk to your fellow mafia at night only.

Chuck, you are a Monofilament Line. You are mafia. You kill by entangling your victims. Due to the Monofilament Line's drifting nature, kills performed by you can be delayed up to 2 nights at the mafia's specification. For example, a Night A target can be killed Night A, Night B, or Night C, whichever you prefer. Once Night A is over, however, the choice cannot be changed. These kills will still be attempted on their designated night as long as one member of the mafia is alive, even if you are dead. Other family members can attempt kills for the same night that your delayed kills will be attempted. For example, if on Night A you decide to delay an attempt on Player X until Night B, on Night B, someone else from your family can also attempt a kill on Player Y. However, your family would not be able to attempt a kill for Night A since that is the night you are initially making your choice. This ability can be used on an unlimited number of nights. The mafia win when there are no other players left and there is at least 1 mafia alive. You can talk to your fellow mafia at night only.

Mafia safe claim: A safe claim is Florida. Some other roles have a scientific name of the form Genus species along with a layman's term.

referee, you are Karenia brevis, better known as Red Tide. You are a serial killer who kills by poisoning players with brevetoxins. You win when all other players are eliminated and you are still alive. Send me your choice each night.

The Great Crep’er, you are Christopher Columbus. From your vantage point on your ship, you can observe the townspeople at night and determine if they are innocent or guilty. You are a cop. Send me your choice each night. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Amb, you are me . As Courk, you are a protector of manatees - a doctor. Each night you can choose one player to protect. You cannot protect yourself. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Talzor, you are a Mermaid. You have a beautiful song that can distract your target for one night -- essentially you are a role blocker. Send me your choice each night. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

jesus_saves Poisonium, you are Manatee Protection Regulations. As such, it is your job to remove players from the game if you feel they are harming manatees. You're a vigilante. Send me your target each night. You do not have to submit a target. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Dented Ford, you are Syringodium filiforme - Manatee Grass. You are a mason along with Quailman, Eichhornia crassipes, the Water Hyacinth. You two can talk at any time. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Quailman, you are Eichhornia crassipes - Water Hyacinth. You are a mason along with Dented Ford, Syringodium filiforme, Manatee Grass. You two can talk at any time. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

MatthewV, you are Hydrodamalis gigas - Steller's Sea Cow. As a technically extinct species, you have taken precautions against your fellow players. You have a one-time ability to protect yourself from a lynch. It will enact automatically if you reach lynching numbers. The failed lynch will end the day. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Beartalon, you are Dugong dugon - Dugong. For one night only, you can choose to return to your home waters around Australia and be protected from any targets against you. You must tell me at night if you choose to do this. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Tseirp, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Chessie. You earned your name by swimming all the way to the Chesapeake Bay. For one night only, you can repeat that journey in order to avoid harm. You must tell me at night if you choose to do this. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

pete d, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Phyllis. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

worm, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Brutus. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

zorT Kitty Dragon Phoenix, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Ginger. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Fuldu Ctorj, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Amanda. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Sefer, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Flash. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.

Livingod, you are Trichechus manatus - a Manatee named Whiskers. You are a townie. You win with the town. The town wins if there are only pro-town players left alive.


Notes:

I had originally intended for anyone to be able to hear Talzor's song, but I couldn't find records of me telling Qman night 1 that he heard a song, then figured he wasn't doing anything the song would distract him from, therefore only people who were actually blocked would hear the song. That was a mistake on my part, but I hope it worked out OK.

I won't pretend to have read any manatee protection regulations -- I do have a life. I just made up section numbers and stuff for that, since otherwise I'd have to simply say "So-and-so was removed from the game" which sounds like a rules violation rather than a game process.

[Beartalon]

We lynched the cop and removed the doc. Wow.

I played scummily, but I told the (entire) truth (eventually, and consistently).

Thanks for not lynching me.

I don't quite understand why Florida is a mafia safe claim? No-one names non-Floridian manatees?

[Courk]

I forgot to add that Christopher Columbus was an insane cop. Honestly, they thought manatees were mermaids. Clearly something's not right.

SMC names the manatees they put up for adoption (and I believe they have names for the others as well). I thought it'd be too easy for the mafia to be able to say "I'm a manatee," so I gave the regular manatees names. Steller's Sea Cow and the Dugong didn't have names, but in a way they could back each other up.

Florida was a safe claim because it was on the shortlist of roles anyway, since that's where manatees are in the US (save for some wanderers). I wouldn't have made Florida anti-manatee. It wasn't the best safe claim, but I don't typically use them anyway. I figured since I had something, might as well give the the option of using it as a safe claim. Plus I did give them the hint to other character names.

[worm]

so that's what the removal was...a vig that doesn't really kill, but takes players out of the game.

if i had known that this game would last from may to october, i might not have signed up. i'm glad i did, though

[Poisonium]

Yay!

Too bad the game ended too soon. It would be quite fun to play as vigilante.
It annoys me a bit that Amb claimed unNK.

I really liked the setup, especially the flavor! Manatees are awesome

[Quailman]

Thanks for modding this game! No night kills on nights 2 & 3... Lucky doc, or delayed monofilament kill?

[Tseirp]

Wow...nice town win after I feel I didn't contribute as much as I should have, and it looked pretty grim from the start of the game.

Though I do think I did have a good part in Chuck's lynch, as I knew he was lying about his role.

[Courk]

Night 2 Bearty was targetted for Night 3. On Night 3, Amb was protecting Bearty, so Bearty lived.

Night 3 DP was targetted for Night 5.

[MatthewV]

The town did have a pretty good track record on the lynches!

I loved my role. I was trying to act scummy at first, but then I got somewhat lucky with groza528 being scum. Haha!

[Dented Ford]

Grateful and profuse thanks to Courk for modding, manatees are fantastic.

Humble and profuse apologies to Beartalon, this stupid newbie is ashamed of suspecting you so much.

Kudos to Dragon Phoenix, amazing scum-hunter!

[Chuck]

Since I didn't have to survive for my delayed kill to go into effect, Dragon Phoenix still dies, right?

[Poisonium]