Lateral--not really good for real life

[Marvin]

So...
Jim's wife boarded his yacht, laced something with a (solid) substance with the intent of murdering her husband, then went home before the yacht sailed. This subsance was prepared in with Jim's food.
BUT, Jim didn't eat something poisoned by his wife.
Is this apparent contradiction explained by the fact that the sustance Jim's wife added to his food wasn't a poison as such, but it did have the effect of killing Jim (when it reacted with something else)?

Had Jim been drinking alcohol at any time when he was on the yacht?
Had Jim been partaking in an illegal substance for recreational purposes at any time he was on the yacht?
Did the rest of the crew eat the same food as Jim?

[This message has been edited by Marvin (edited 03-15-2002 04:31 PM).]

[Suspence]

Did any of the other crew members eat the same food as Jim did?
If so, did Jim do something different than the rest of his crew which made him react to the poison?
If there were no other crew on board, would Jim still have died?
Is there something special about Jim that would make only him succeptible to this mixture of poison and the other reactant substance?
If I came into contact with both of these substances, would I die?
Does the fact that the yacht was laying at anchor have an effect on the solution?
Does the fact that Jim was 24 have a bearing on the solution?
This other substance that reacted with the poison:
Solid?
Liquid?
Gas?
Did Jim's wife know beforehand that Jim would definitely come in contact with this other substance that reacted with the poison?
Did she know for sure that no other crew memebers would ingest the poison?
If not, was she sure that no other crew members would come in contact with this other substance that reacted with the poison?
Was there a chance she might have killed some of the crew as well?
The substance that the wife put in the food, is it what one would consider a normal everyday product to come in contact with?
Have you ever consumed it, Neo?
This thing that initiated the reaction with whatever was in Jim's food, is it what one would consider a normal everyday product to come in contact with?
Have you ever been exposed to this thing, Neo?
If Jim had not ingested the poison food, but instead had held it in his hand when he in contact with the other reactant, would he have been harmed?
When Jim came in contact with the other substance where was he:
Below deck aboard the yacht?
Above deck aboard the yacht?
In the water?
Indoors?
Outdoors?
Do the two reactants that we are considering have to come together in exact amounts in order to create the reaction that occured?
Would forensic science be able to detect this poison in Jim's system?

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[This message has been edited by Suspence13 (edited 03-15-2002 11:31 PM).]

[Suspence]

I'm having trouble with that as well marvin:
Was Jim poisoned by his wife? yes (reply 7)
did he eat something poisoned by his wife? no (9)
Was it prepared in with his food? yes (36)

I doubt that Neo is playing a semantic game around "poisoned" seeing as he has had no problem saying that his wife "poisoned" him even if the substance she placed in his food was not "poison" in of itself. This would compromise the integrity of the lateral, so I doubt Neo would do this. I think an important post might be Reply 27:
Did the rest of the crew ingest the poison? in a way, yes

I don't know why I think this might be important, but its bugging me.

So Neo,
Jim's wife put this poison into Jim's food, correct?
Did Jim eat the food that had the poison in it?
Did Jim drink something that was poisoned?
Did Jim ingest the poison in the way that his wife had planned it?
The crew ingested this poison "in a way", correct?
Did they eat the same meal as Jim?
Did they drink the same thing as he did?


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[Neo]

Jim's wife boarded his yacht, laced something with a (solid) substance with the intent of murdering her husband, then went home before the yacht sailed. This subsance was prepared in with Jim's food.
BUT, Jim didn't eat something poisoned by his wife.
Is this apparent contradiction explained by the fact that the sustance Jim's wife added to his food wasn't a poison as such, but it did have the effect of killing Jim (when it reacted with something else)? yes

Had Jim been drinking alcohol at any time when he was on the yacht? no

Had Jim been partaking in an illegal substance for recreational purposes at any time he was on the yacht? no

Did the rest of the crew eat the same food as Jim? yes, exactly the same

did Jim do something different than the rest of his crew which made him react to the poison? no

If there were no other crew on board, would Jim still have died? yes

Is there something special about Jim that would make only him succeptible to this mixture of poison and the other reactant substance? no

If I came into contact with both of these substances, would I die? if you mean "ingested" by "come into contact with" then yes

Does the fact that the yacht was laying at anchor have an effect on the solution? no

Does the fact that Jim was 24 have a bearing on the solution? no

This other substance that reacted with the poison:
Solid? yes
Liquid? no
Gas? no
Did Jim's wife know beforehand that Jim would definitely come in contact with this other substance that reacted with the poison? yes

Did she know for sure that no other crew memebers would ingest the poison? no, she knew they would

If not, was she sure that no other crew members would come in contact with this other substance that reacted with the poison? yes

Was there a chance she might have killed some of the crew as well? no

The substance that the wife put in the food, is it what one would consider a normal everyday product to come in contact with? i don't think so

Have you ever consumed it, Neo? no

This thing that initiated the reaction with whatever was in Jim's food, is it what one would consider a normal everyday product to come in contact with? no

Have you ever been exposed to this thing, Neo? no

If Jim had not ingested the poison food, but instead had held it in his hand when he in contact with the other reactant, would he have been harmed? no

When Jim came in contact with the other substance where was he: doesn't matter

Do the two reactants that we are considering have to come together in exact amounts in order to create the reaction that occured? no

Would forensic science be able to detect this poison in Jim's system? they would have to specifically look for it

Jim's wife put this poison into Jim's food, correct? yes

Did Jim eat the food that had the poison in it? yes

Did Jim drink something that was poisoned? yes

Did Jim ingest the poison in the way that his wife had planned it? yes

The crew ingested this poison "in a way", correct? yes

Did they eat the same meal as Jim? yes

Did they drink the same thing as he did? yes

Note, please understand that in this puzzle, "poison" is hard to define. Anything I may have done to compromise the lateral (I don't see any yet) was unintentional. I'm sure ya'll will figure this out in the near future, and you can pick on me for any mistakes you see once you know the answer

[Antrax]

was Jim on any kind of medication?
Antrax

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[Neo]

was Jim on any kind of medication? no

[soda sipper]

Did Jim get sea sick?
Is he allergic to anything?

[Suspence]

Did Jim's wife know that Jim would do something that the crew would not have done that would make him come in contact with the second reactant?
Was this something that Jim did regularly?
Is that how his wife knew he would do it?
Did Jim have to come in contact with the second reactant?
Could he possibly have avoided it?
If one of the crew members followed Jim around and mimicked everything he did after ingesting the poison, would they have died?
Also, I quote "When Jim came in contact with the other substance where was he: Below deck aboard the yacht?
Above deck aboard the yacht?
In the water?
Indoors?
Outdoors?
doesn't matter"
Knowing where Jim was won't help me guess what the second reactant was?
Hmm...



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[Neo]

Suspense, by second reactent, do you mean the substance he ingested which reacted with a substance already in his body?

[cubestudent]

does Jim take Dramamine? or something similar?
was it this that reacted with the wife's 'poison'?

aside: it's been ruled out by now, but my first reaction to the puzzle was that Jim went swimming less than thirty minutes after eating, thus cramping and drowning.

[Icarus]

Does Jim have allergies to specific foods, such as peanut oil ?

Did Jim's wife specifically put something Jim was allergic to in his food, knowing it would kill Jim but not the rest of the crew ?

[Marvin]

I think we've already ruled out allergies.

So, we have exhibit A, substance A, a non-toxic solid that was wilfully and maliciously introduced into the food and drink on board the yacht by the defendant, the deceased's wife. This food (and hence substance A) was consumed by both the deceased and his crew.
Exhibit B, substance B is also a non-toxic solid, this was present in the deceased's body, reacted with substance A to produce a poison, and thus killed the deceased. Substance B was only present in the deceased's body.

First off, am I correct so far? (I certainly hope so!)
Was substance B already present in the deceased's body when substance A was consumed?
Was substance B introduced after substance A was consumed? Does it matter?
Does substance A have a known chemical formula (specifically, do you know it, Neo?)
Do you know the chemical formula for substance B?

[Hugon]

Did Jim suffer from seasickness sometimes?

Was "substance B" added to his seasickness medicine?

[confusion682]

I didn't see this one yet, but doubt it will make a difference.

Did Jim eat off of the same plates as the crew?
Did he drink out of the same glases?
Did he use the same utensils?

[Marvin]

Did substance B also get into Jim's body by Jim eating something? Drinking something? Some other method?
Did the wife have anything significant to do with what Jim ate the night before he set sail on the yacht?

[UnheardVoice]

Is this one of those "joke" laterals, like Antrax's when the computer programmer died in the shower when he took literally the "Rinse, Lather, Repeat" instructions on the shampoo bottle?

Do we need to figure out the two hazardous substances in order to solve the lateral?

[Suspence]

By second reactant, I mean whatever it was that reacted with what Jim ingested in his food that caused him to die.

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[Neo]

Did Jim's wife know that Jim would do something that the crew would not have done that would make him come in contact with the second reactant? yes

Was this something that Jim did regularly? yes

Is that how his wife knew he would do it? yes

Did Jim have to come in contact with the second reactant? well, for it to get into his body I would assume so

Could he possibly have avoided it? not if his wife was determined to kill him

If one of the crew members followed Jim around and mimicked everything he did after ingesting the poison, would they have died? not if they didn't ingest the ingredients themselves

Knowing where Jim was won't help me guess what the second reactant was? that is correct

does Jim take Dramamine? or something similar? no to both

was it this that reacted with the wife's 'poison'? no

allergies were ruled out

So, we have exhibit A, substance A, a non-toxic solid that was wilfully and maliciously introduced into the food and drink on board the yacht by the defendant, the deceased's wife. This food (and hence substance A) was consumed by both the deceased and his crew.
Exhibit B, substance B is also a non-toxic solid, this was present in the deceased's body, reacted with substance A to produce a poison, and thus killed the deceased. Substance B was only present in the deceased's body. correct

First off, am I correct so far? (I certainly hope so!)
Was substance B already present in the deceased's body when substance A was consumed? yes
Was substance B introduced after substance A was consumed? Does it matter? doesn't matter but for the sake of clarity, Substance A came second and B came first.
Does substance A have a known chemical formula (specifically, do you know it, Neo?)don't know it
Do you know the chemical formula for substance B? afraid not

Did Jim suffer from seasickness sometimes? no

Was "substance B" added to his seasickness medicine? no

Did Jim eat off of the same plates as the crew? doesn't matter

Did he drink out of the same glases? ditto

Did he use the same utensils? ditto

Did substance B also get into Jim's body by Jim eating something? yes Drinking something? no Some other method?see previous answers
Did the wife have anything significant to do with what Jim ate the night before he set sail on the yacht? yes

Is this one of those "joke" laterals, no

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[Neo]

I left some hints in my answers, but I think Marvin knows the answer, or he does and doesn't know he knows yet

[cubestudent]

did Jim's wife "keep him up all night" thus requiring Jim to take a stimulant to remain awake, ie. caffeine, ephedrine, . . .

if so, is this the second reactant?

[Neo]

did Jim's wife "keep him up all night" thus requiring Jim to take a stimulant to remain awake, ie. caffeine, ephedrine, . . . no

[MBA]

Is Jim a diabetic?

[Marvin]

Did Jim's wife cook him a special farewell meal the night before he set sail? (candlelight, romantic music and a little extra 'seasoning')?

[Marvin]

Did I just get an ISE?

[Suspence]

Did Jim have the "squirty bottoms"???

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[Neo]

Is Jim a diabetic? no

Did Jim's wife cook him a special farewell meal the night before he set sail? (candlelight, romantic music and a little extra 'seasoning')? yes

Did Jim have the "squirty bottoms"??? no

[Antrax]

Did Jim take drugs?
Antrax

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[Neo]

Did Jim take drugs? no

[Marvin]

Ok, so Jim's wife cooked his dinner the night before he set sail, and mixed substance B into it, which Jim duly ate. Then she got on board the ship and mixed substance A into the food and drink on board ship, which he again consumed after the ship set sail. Substances A and B reacted, producing a toxin that killed Jim.
So the only thing left to discover is what are substances A and B? I don't know how we're going to figure that out, though.

[MBA]

Is substances A commonly found in a home?
Is substances B commonly found in a home?
Is substances A commonly referred to by name?
Is substances A commonly referred to by chemical composition?
Is substances B commonly referred to by name?
Is substances B commonly referred to by chemical composition?

[Neo]

Ok, so Jim's wife cooked his dinner the night before he set sail, and mixed substance B into it, which Jim duly ate. Then she got on board the ship and mixed substance A into the food and drink on board ship, which he again consumed after the ship set sail. Substances A and B reacted, producing a toxin that killed Jim. yes

So the only thing left to discover is what are substances A and B? I don't know how we're going to figure that out, though. you don't need to know exactly what they are (ie whether it's potassium and water or something) but rather the general name for this mixture

[GH]

Epoxy?

[Antrax]

She fed him Na (I have no idea what the name of the element is in English) and then made him breath chlorine gas. Then it became salt in his body and he died of a heart attack
Antrax

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[Orbiting]

Sodium.

[Neo]

All wrong...Looking for a general classification. That is, the type of poison.

[confusion682]

Jim's wife fed him two parts of a neuro-toxin that rapidly ate away his nervous system. It took final effect while he was standing next to the edge of the boat causing a massive convulsion that sent him over the side and into the water?

[Neo]

[give-me]1010001111100110101010111[/give-me]

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[Neo]

Everybody gave up?

[SaberKitty]

Is substance A something that most people have heard of? (substance B?)
If so, do most people know that the combination of the two would kill someone if they consumed it?
If substance A was consumed without consuming substance B would they feel any ill effects of it? (visa versa?)
Have any of my three questions been asked before?(I read the thread a while ago and don't want to reread it)

[e]Oh, and is that "give me" thingy binary? (because it dosen't make sense to me.121746527 is it's equivelent in oct, 21482839 = decimal, and 124cd57=hex)[/edit]

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[Neo]

Is substance A something that most people have heard of? (substance B?)
If so, do most people know that the combination of the two would kill someone if they consumed it?
It doesn't matter what exactly A and B are

If substance A was consumed without consuming substance B would they feel any ill effects of it? no (visa versa?)no

Oh, and is that "give me" thingy binary? (because it dosen't make sense to me.121746527 is it's equivelent in oct, 21482839 = decimal, and 124cd57=hex)numbers don't matter