Championship Match: M*A*S*H defeats Simpsons!

[Undercover Monk]

If you dont know what these two are about, I cant help you.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Heroes and House have been avenged with the fall of Cheers now its time for Python fans to revolt and kick the Simpsons out. Go M*A*S*H!
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Courk]

I don't really like the Simpsons, but I've never actually watched M*A*S*H

[Samadhi]

I would recommend watching it....if you can find it without the annoying 70's laughtrack. I can't and every attempt to watch it results in nose bleeds at best.
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[Courk]

It's on practically 24 hours a day -- I'll see if one is laughtrackless.

[The Great Crep'er]

I think what's more inhibitionless than making an uninformed decision, is one that's based on a defeat of your favorite show that was ages ago. Honestly, why the suffering of good written television shows because you can't accept the fact that the simpsons is just better than Monty Python? No offense here, but please get over it.

Even if that was joking, the simpsons is the only T.V. show i take a bullet for, if I smell the slightest whiff of someone bashing it, it drives me nuts.
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[Dragon Phoenix]

Abstain - I like them both, don't love them.

It pleases me that two comedies made it to the finals, even though these wold probably only get in somewhere around spots 5-10 in my USA comedy top 10.
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[wordcross]

I think the beauty of *M*A*S*H* is that it was more than just comedy. It really made a difference in the way that people viewed the military and seeing war on television. Not because it was gritty realism or groundbreaking cinema, but because it was a constant treatment of military life during a major war operation. People got used to seeing it. It was comedy, sure, but it had its moments of drama and truth as well. It gave people a way to acknowledge the fact that war happens, people get injured, and people die but at the same time it breaks it down so that it can be swallowed without being overwhelming. Comedy is good for that, and *M*A*S*H* did it better than most.
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[Undercover Monk]

[Dented Ford]

[Amb*]

MASH will win this. But I want the Simpsons to win just to upset the moderator. Upsetting the mod is always fun

[AZu]

[The Great Crep'er]

[The Great Crep'er]

For the next tournament can we get a neutral mod? I hate having options ridiculed.
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[Undercover Monk]

till this match I have remained neutral but both options are being ridiculed by everyone so get over it healthy debate is what makes these fun also we almost shut this forum down because no one but me wanted to run it so please dont whine just cause the show im rooting for is winning
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

No, you haven't remained neutral at all.
TGC, whoever wants to mod gets to do it. I also prefer neutral mods, but I contented myself by consistently voting against UM's favourite whenever he voiced his opinion.
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BTW, IMO The Simpsons really went downhill starting with season 16. Season 18 had no good moments and suffered from terrible writing, and 19 also followed suit for most part (it had two good episodes). So, sorry, but it's understandable why people would bash The Simpsons.
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[Scurra]

I don't understand how in a poll tournament the opinions of the mod can carry any more or less weight than any other voter. It's not as though they can bias the result - is it? (Or is there something about this system that I don't know?)

If this was a secret information game, where we sent our votes to UM to tally and UM then posted the result, then it would matter. But it clearly doesn't work like that here. Even the original nominations were made independently and in public.

The great joy of these tournaments is that they are deliberately biased and unrepresentative - there can be no "objective" decisions here, no matter how much we might try to kid ourselves. It's kind of like asking "What's your favourite colour - Green or Purple?" So bringing in additional external factors to influence your decision - such as the expressed position of another voter (mod or not) - strikes me as absurd.

UM, have you actually voted in this poll? I am assuming that your stated "neutral" position means you haven't.
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New definitions: COFFEE - someone who is coughed upon}

[Antrax]

Scurra, I have briefly stated my position here.
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[Courk]

A mod's opinion really doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's. I think what Antrax is having a problem with is that UM has been using his modiness to help shows he likes, despite the fact that the impact UM's help would have is slight.

As a mod, if, say, there's a week of voting left, either every current poll should be bumped with a warning, or a grand announcement should be made, not one poll getting bumped because the mod wants to get more votes for the show he likes.

Basically, instead of the mod saying "It's A vs. B, vote for A" he should just say, "It's A vs. B"

[AZu]

I dont really agree. Yes he shouldnt be selectively bumping polls but its more a matter of breaking formalities more than anything else (the way I see it). He isnt really providing any significant help to a specific choice and after all he did organize the whole thing. I think we can turn a blind eye to a few small indiscretions.

[Antrax]

Absolutely. I never said "revoke his modding privileges" or anything of the sort - I just chose to protest in a "civilian" way against something I personally didn't like.
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[groza528]

Regardless of whether we agree with him, it seems that UM's campaigning has produced, if anything, the opposite result from what he hoped. So unless TGC et al are annoyed that they *agreed* with UM and he poisoned their favorites, I don't see what they have to be upset about. Pointing out this consequence should deter biased modding in the future.

[Scurra]

Yes, but my complaint was with the people who were voting "against" UM for expressing an opinion, not with the principle of UM expressing an opinion per se.

These polls are supposed to be about choosing your favourite between two obviously ridiculous alternatives. This is frequently hard enough to do anyway without bringing external factors into play as well. Indeed, in this one, there were several times I declined to vote* because I didn't know one or even both of the contenders well enough to judge. Whereas there seems to be evidence that some voters participated in some rounds just to vote "against" UM. Which may indeed have distorted the results - but I absolutely do not blame the mod for that.

(*and I know I'm not the only one.)
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New definitions: COFFEE - someone who is coughed upon}

[Antrax]

That's your call. I think voting against a show because it upset a show you like is exactly as ridiculous as voting for a show because someone else is voting against it.
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[Undercover Monk]

But Antrax I specifically stated that I voted MASH because having seen both shows and I like MASH and thoroughly dislike Simpsons that simpsons beat Monty Python is just adding insult to injury

Also I am seriously considering not modding another tournament if I am not allowed to give my opinion and about the bumping I have continued to give updates on how the polls work if you paid attention you would know when the polls end and could bump your.

I am saddened that the Labyrinth a place I thought you were free to express your opinion has a few people who dont believe in free speech.

I have become seriously dissillusioned and frankly dont care anymore run your own tournament you jerks!
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

I also have a right for free speech, and I also have a right to vote in poll tournaments. We each use ours the way we deem fit.
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[AZu]

[Undercover Monk]

Screw You All
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Scurra]

AZu, if I hadn't already voted, I would have been seriously swayed by your point D. Despite everything I had previously written

Antrax, you do indeed have every right to vote the way you want to in a poll - that's your right. I merely observed that I felt that justifying your decision in public as an "anti-Mod" vote seemed more like petty point-scoring than a reasoned argument. I am, however, perfectly happy to say that I have no right to pass judgement on your opinion. No matter how wrong it is.
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New definitions: COFFEE - someone who is coughed upon}

[Antrax]

I'm confused. What better reasoning than "I think a mod should be impartial, this mod isn't, I'll offset his vote" can I offer? It boils down to a principal disagreement I have with the way UM functioned in this tournament. People may not share my disagreement, which is fine, but that doesn't make it less reasoned, IMO.
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[groza528]

Scurra, if you don't like Antrax's reasoning why don't you just cancel his vote in the next tournament?

For what it's worth I completely agree with Antrax. While it may not be borne of reason, I think "I'm going to defy you because I don't like being told what to do," is a valid emotional response, and isn't that all 'preference' is anyway?

For the record, I'm guilty of voting for plenty of reasons that you'd probably consider folly, including:
- Voting against the mod because he pressed his opinion
- Voting against a show that upset one of my favorites
- Voting for a show I don't know well because it spun off into a show I like (Cheers, Frasier)
- Voting for the underdog in a close match just to keep it interesting

For me I just hate leaving anything blank; it makes me feel like I'm not finished. I suspect Antrax's desire for neutrality comes from judging Magic. It's naive not to expect outside factors to influence the decision. Heck, outside factors probably influence *all* the decisions, even those you would think are 'reasoned' (e.g. I might prefer Star Trek to Saturday Night Live because I'm an engineer.)

[Scurra]

I think you may have missed the bit in my post when I said that "I" thought that Antrax's position didn't seem like a reasoned response. In the same way, I do indeed think some of your justifications are equally spurious. But I did then say that I thought that everyone was entitled to their opinion.

I also understand and appreciate that inevitably there are other factors that come into play when taking what seems like a simple decision. Hell, I'm fairly sure that at least a few of my votes in this contest were subliminally influenced by some of the factors you listed! I also understand why these sort of contests can never have a "neither" option as that would ruin the entire point - but I do think that that doesn't mean you pick one of the options based on some other factor, it means that sometimes you leave the vote blank.
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New definitions: COFFEE - someone who is coughed upon}

[Undercover Monk]

As to your last point Antrax I do have every right to vote (you cant argue that even if you dont like me posting) If I were truly abusing powers I could make multiple accounts which I dont I just want to have fun like every one else and cheer on my favorite shows. Thats why I decided to run a tournament are you mad that I get to vote. Cause then I cant help you

Oh and Ill try to keep civil my apologies to all.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

I never accused anyone of cheating, abusing power, or anything of the sort. I personally believe a moderator needs to be neutral. You don't share my view. That is all, and there's no need to keep trying to inflate what I said.
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[Undercover Monk]

Do you think I shouldnt vote at all? Am I not part of the Labyrinth? or do you just feel I shouldnt get to state my opinion for all to see? maybe I shouldnt just bump and give deadlines but if you paid attention I told you all the week deadlines so that was public knowledge. I still dont understand while you are upset.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Yay at least Simpsons didnt win!
Thanks for participating everyone. Im up for suggestions and ideals on how to improve next time.

Now go and participate in greatest human run by Lepton
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

I think I already explained what I think. Anything more feels like belaboring the point.
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[Amb]

I feel like boycotting the rest of this tournament. No doubt MASH deserved to win, but the mods attitude has put me off.

[Undercover Monk]

The tournaments over already. and I still dont see why the mod cant participate this isnt mafia its supposed to be fun.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Antrax]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/humor
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