The Grey Labyrinth is a collection of puzzles, riddles, mind games, paradoxes and other intellectually challenging diversions. Related topics: puzzle games, logic puzzles, lateral thinking puzzles, philosophy, mind benders, brain teasers, word problems, conundrums, 3d puzzles, spatial reasoning, intelligence tests, mathematical diversions, paradoxes, physics problems, reasoning, math, science.

   
The Grey Labyrinth Forum Index
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups    RegisterRegister  
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Can you pave a road using sandy dirt?

 
Reply to topic    The Grey Labyrinth Forum Index -> Science, Art, and Culture
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Lepton
1:41+ Arse Scratcher



PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

One of the biggest causes of desertification in Mongolia is the lack of a road system. Each vehicle makes its own path, and the resulting soil compactification leads to desertification. Assume a near-infinite supply of cheap labour, a more-nearly-infinite supply of soil that is mostly silicon dioxide (but also a few other compounds, in smaller amounts), a non-infinite supply of water, and a fair bit of animal dung. Can you devise a system of building roads?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail AIM Address
MTGAP
Daedalian Member



PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:10 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

Before I say anything, I will point out that "near-infinite" is meaningless. How can you have almost infinity? A better phrase would be "practically infinite", meaning that it's not really infinite, but it's so big that it doesn't matter.

Do I need water to feed the labor? If not, no problem. I'd give some dirt to the labor and get it to spread dirt, then stomp on it, then spread more, then stomp on it more... until it made a road.

Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but it works. Razz
_________________
This statement is false.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chuck
Daedalian Member



PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:43 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

With near infinite labor you could have a poor road repaired every day.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
The Great Crep'er
2% Spambot



PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

Or you could just break off pieces of land (I imagine it could be done, I mean, it's dirt) and make waterways to travel by, and travel by sea than by land, like they do in Venice. Extreme Delectation
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:59 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

Chuck wrote:
With near infinite labor you could have a poor road repaired every day.

Except that the real problem is not that the roads are poor, but that it is not that much of a hardship to drive across the non-road, which will always be shorter. If the roads aren't good enough that it makes the trip faster when you stay on the road, they won't get used.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
MTGAP
Daedalian Member



PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Zag wrote:
Chuck wrote:
With near infinite labor you could have a poor road repaired every day.

Except that the real problem is not that the roads are poor, but that it is not that much of a hardship to drive across the non-road, which will always be shorter. If the roads aren't good enough that it makes the trip faster when you stay on the road, they won't get used.

Well if that's the case, then this practically infinite labor should dig lots of holes in the area around the road(s), making it very bumpy. A better long-term solution would be to:

1. Line up the laborers so they make a fence. so that no one can get onto anything but the road.

2. Plant a bunch of trees.

3. After the area is completely forested, remove labor fences. (Or leave them there; since we have infinite labor, it doesn't really matter.)
_________________
This statement is false.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
The Ragin' South Asian
Head Poncho



PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Or just have the labor drive people around, and stick to set paths.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
Zag
Tired of his old title



PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

Somehow I get the feeling, MTGAP, that you are not taking this question seriously. Extreme Delectation

Lepton, is it actually easier to drive over virgin land than it is to drive in the tracks that another car has already created? If that's the case, then there is probably no hope.

However, if it is at least as easy to drive in another's tracks, then you could possibly get some benefit from fences. They can't be long enough that they actually force people to go significantly out of their way, or the people will just knock down the fences. So the goal of the fences would be basically to channel people who are basically going the same place to do it on the same non-road.

If each stretch of fence is, say, a kilometer long, then it would be just as easy to drive to the gap than to knock it down. Then natural roads would form between the gaps, so, at least, some of the land would be protected.

Of course, there is a government solution of imposing huge fines for driving off-road, but I doubt you have the political muscle to get that to happen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous: by   
Reply to topic    The Grey Labyrinth Forum Index -> Science, Art, and Culture All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Site Design by Wx3