Time Travel Mafia 2 - GAME OVER!

[Courk]

Well, participation has dropped way off. Therefore, I'm setting a deadline. Tuesday, October 28, at 5 pm EDT

[MatthewV]

Skruffs is my top choice right now.

[Skruffs]

Even after my last post?
Explain why?

[Skruffs]

[Dented Ford]

I'm going to be away (for a funeral) until Tuesday so for now I will vote: ChienFou. He seems to have clammed up again and although everyone seems to have quietened down as well, he's still fishy.
I am also still very suspicious of Skruffs, as although "a certain number of times during the game" makes more sense than "during the day" I think this seems more of a "brushing off" attempt, and I feel a more genuine mistake would have been owned to quicker and with less of the "why me?" feel about it. One of the factors which made me choose to vote ChienFou over Skruffs just now is that MattV made the comment that Skruffs is his top choice (which is OK, he's right up on my suspect list too) but hasn't made any post to restore my confidence, so I'm nervous of just blindly agreeing with him at the moment.
I will be back on Tuesday so I may possibly have time to change my vote before the deadline if it turns out appropriate.

[Ctuchik]

Vote: ChienFou He's still my number one suspect for today.
Concering Skruffs, I see him more as a misled townie than as scum!

[MatthewV]

"scum rating" name - role

5 alphatango - historian
-- he did explain the role in a manner that doesn't seem like it is being made up. Works with the timeline but claimed after the timeline role came out.

8 ChienFou - vanilla townie
-- nothing much about his role.
-- minimal participation

2 Ctuchik - time travel repairman
--was scum at the start of the game but now seems more sane than myself.

4 Dented Ford - vanilla townie
-- seems reasonable enough. Active at the very least.

5 groza528 - visitor from the future (role blocker)
-- Some doubt in my mind... but seems reasonable enough

7 isauteikisa - vanilla townie (tourist)
-- not too much post content. mention of tourist fits in with theme.

8 Skruffs - hider, townie
-- feels that "game" and "day" are similar enough to be confused.

0 MatthewV - Tour Guide

Now the roles of Skruffs and alphatango seem very similar. Skruffs stumbled on the claim while AT was able to describe in detail.
ChienFou is rather scummy also. And aside from those wonderful drinks and burgers he hasn't contributed much.

[MatthewV]

I would vote Skruffs but to be consistent with other two votes, vote ChienFou

[Courk]

Though it seems everyone was too distracted by their first trip to the future and too interested in the battle to vote, some people did manage to pull themselves away from the action to vote.

End of Day Vote Count:
ChienFou - 3 - (Dented Ford, Ctuchik, MatthewV)

Thus, ChienFou was lynched.

'Tis Night. Choices are due Wednesday, November 5, at 5 pm EDT.

[Courk]

Reality 6, Night 1:

A word of advice: It would be within everyone's best interests to end day 1 as soon as possible.

Everyone emerges from their cabins eager to start their tour -- this did cost an awful lot of money. After some fancy technical mumbo-jumbo occured involving the Time Travel Devices you are all wearing, you look around and discover that you're in mid-14th Century Europe! It's 1349 AD and The Plague is running rampant. That's, erm... nice.

You notice two members of the village you're visiting coming up to you. Wait a minute, that seems to be Leonidas, and the other one looks like Irgy! They get weaker and weaker as they draw closer, finally collapsing at your feet -- dead from Plague. But how?

Fantastic trip you've got going.

18 alive, 10 to lynch

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Reality 6, Day 1:

thedragon'sprincess has died by Plague! Now 17 alive, 9 to lynch.

End of Day Vote Count:

Undercover Monk - 8 - (thedragon'sprincess, MatthewV, AZu, Undercover Monk, KradDrol, Ctuchik, groza528, bbbbbbbbba)

hasdgfas - 2 - (ChienFou, Chuck)
Leonidas - 2 - (Amb, Dented Ford)

ChienFou - 1 - (Lastword-2)
groza528 - 1 - (hasdgfas)

Undercover Monk has the most votes at deadline and has been lynched.

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Reality 6, Night 2:

It is now the second day of your tour! It is August 11, 480 BC. On your left you'll notice some Greeks, and on your right quite a bit more Persians. Welcome to Thermopylae! In the ChronoTours gift shop right now is Thermopylaeopoly -- Fun for 3 to 300 players! A perfect souvenir to remember this stop on your tour.

Across the battlefield you notice figures running towards you between the Persian and Greek lines. They almost make it to your location before stray spears hit them. As they lay dying you realize that they were KradDrol and hasdgfas.

13 alive, 7 to lynch

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Reality 6, Day 2:

End of Day Vote Count:

bbbbbbbbba - 4 - (The Anti-Nerd, Dented Ford, ChienFou, alphatango)

Kraddrol - 3 - (bbbbbbbbba, MatthewV, AZu)

Ctuchik - 1 - (Skruffs)

And with the most votes at deadline, bbbbbbbbba is lynched.

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Reality 6, Night 3
Ah, tour day 3. Welcome to 1871 Chicago! October is usually cooler than this, but the fire behind you is providing quite a lot of warmth.

12 alive, 7 to lynch

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Reality 6, Day 3:
End of Day Vote Count:

bbbbbbbbba - 7 - (alphatango, ChienFou, Ctuchik, Dented Ford, MatthewV, groza528, isauteikisa)

Amb - 3 - (Anonymous, Anonymous, Anonymous)

Ctuchik - 1 - (Lastword-2)

And with 7 votes reaching majority, you lynch bbbbbbbbba again. "Make sure he's dead!" cries someone from the crowd. Yes, I can assure you, he's dead.

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Reality 6, Night 4

Hasdgfas and Lastword-2 were modkilled during the night. Their generic roles:
hasdgfas was a cop.
Lastword-2 was an extra voter.

Looking around at your new destination, you notice wonderful greenery and ferns everywhere. And - oh! - a lizard. A cute little lizard. And a much, much larger, erm... "lizard" behind it. And Chuck running from the li- Chuck getting smashed by the lizard. And there's also a giant flaming rock falling through the sky.

Welcome to the extinction of the dinosaurs! It is 9 alive, 5 to lynch. This day was auto-deadlined.

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Reality 6, Day 4
End of Day Vote Count:

AZu - 5 - (groza528, Skruffs, MatthewV, Ctuchik, Dented Ford)

With 5 votes, thus reaching majority, AZu is lynched.

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Reality 6, Night 5

After a good night's rest, you awaken in 4479. It's the Battle of Mars. The Martians wanted to form their own separate govenment, yadda yadda, here we are. While this is a very interesting battle to observe, as it was the first to use laser weapons, be sure to also note the architectural details on the buildings and enviro-spheres.

8 alive, 5 to lynch!

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Reality 6, Day 5

End of Day Vote Count:
ChienFou - 3 - (Dented Ford, Ctuchik, MatthewV)

Thus, ChienFou was lynched.

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Reality 6, Night 6:

Amb, Dented Ford, groza, isauteikisa, Ctuchik, Skruffs, and alphatango awaken to a cold, cold winter day. Except... the ChronoTours computer keeps insisting that it's July and says you're in the northern hemisphere. They're quickly distracted from this seeming oddity by finding MatthewV's body outside, frozen. If only he had a warmer coat.

And, with that, the game is over -- the mafia (Amb, Dented Ford, groza, and isauteikisa) have a majority. Congrats mafia on your win!

The role run-down will be a few days.

[groza528]

Go team!

[alphatango]

Nicely played -- DF in particular was verbose but believable, I thought. I felt like the town self-destructed a bit too much over b^9a and hasdfgas. Look forward to seeing the roles!
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[isauteikisa]

Clean slate, in the end. Good job, team!
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[Dented Ford]

Well done team!
Thanks Courk for an awesome game.

I really did think that cow and b^9a were scum from a rival family for a long time, but you're right, the town self-destructed with those two. I am still really curious to know what on earth b^9a was doing.

[Amb]

A cop modkill was vital for us.

I felt the game needed more power townies when the mafia can hide behind the fact that roles arent revealed on death. Thats why my game had a coroner as well as a cop.

[isauteikisa]

Yeah, the roles hidden on death seemed to really favor mafia. However, losing power roles to modkills never helps.
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[Irgy]

Oh well, congratulations to the mafia. I had a feeling we were getting hammered and had no chance, at least I was right about something.

I was a role-blocker. Got killed by plague far too early to do anything useful. I assume the plague kills were mafia, except maybe the middle of the day one? Did I do anything in particular that got me targeted or was it just pretty random?

[Dented Ford]

Well, bearing in mind that I was scum, even so I tried to play and post believably as townie. This post http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=451050#451050 is fairly close to genuine reasonings that I would have used. You did seem to give an impression of surprise that we didn't all have a power role in the early stages.
[edit] actually I just reread that post and I think in part of it I mistakenly pasted the same snippet twice. I can't remember now exactly but I think I meant to have posted the bit in my post #33 that I quoted of yours from post #31 [/edit]

[Skruffs]

so the mafia had a ressurector? How did AMb wind up being alive in the end?

[groza528]

I think Ctuchik must have rezzed him (to test my claim.) We considered retkilling AZu to resurrect Amb, but that would have put us at 4 and 4 and Courk informed us that we needed one more. That would've been a sure lynch for Amb, if we killed someone that was already dead and the only result was bringing Amb to life, so we decided not to risk it, figuring we could maybe get another wrong lynch off of you guys.
I guess I lucked out with my claim then, what with Irgy already being dead. Maybe not solely luck, seeing as I was among the last to claim.
By the way, thanks to Courk for running the game!

[Courk]

Amb, Mafia Godfather.

[Ctuchik]

Well done, mafia!

[MatthewV]

You did a very good job moderating the game Courk. Thank you.

Some comments for future TT mafias
I think you overvalued roleblockers and hiders in the balance-- in a normal game a blocker act as a less effective cop in many regards. With TT, the mafia might have just killed on a different night.
The town cannot pick up on inconsistencies of roles when there is nothing solid to go off of. Basically we had a 20 person game with five scum (4 mafia, SK) and no way of connecting a persons actions with real results.

Time travel didn't seem very important either. In some ways I think revealing the full role of a lynched person would be fun-- that way the pro-town players would attempt the modify the timeline to benefit the town (and the other way around too!) if someone important was lynched.

[alphatango]

It was good to reread the thread in light of all the different roles. I stand by the handling of the doc/cop situation, and I'm not sure inactivity on their part wouldn't have hurt us sufficiently to lose the game anyway.

I did see DF's "townie with a name" claim go past, but I didn't really have a good reason to disbelieve it, not being a vanilla townie myself. Maybe it was worth pointing out. (Incidentally, one of my more exotic ideas about the game setup was the possibility of a Javert/Valjean pair who were out to discover and lynch each other, or something similar.)

I concur with the comments above about role reveals on death -- I found that very difficult in comparison with the (few) other mafia games I've played. It felt like I couldn't really latch onto any hard facts.

On the other hand, I liked the time travel idea, being the first time I've seen it. The changing realities provided food for thought. I also agree with MatthewV's point about role reveals making this a better mechanic.

As always, thanks for running this, Courk!
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[Dented Ford]

I thought the "name" claim was a good idea at the time, but after I'd posted I kind of wished I hadn't. (My only other experience of a Courk game I got the name "Manatee Grass" (and the latin name of it) so I thought that would be a typical Courkism.)
I really did play as much like a townie as possible. If I had actually had a townie role, then a lot of my reasonings and commentary would have been very similar.
Modkill of the cop/doc wasn't the problem with this game, the way the cop and doc played (and lamed out of it) really broke things for the town though. I am utterly confused by what on earth (b^9a in particular) they were thinking.
Given that there was only one cop role, there should really have been more info gathering possibilities for town - maybe not role-reveals on death, as that would have broken the Time Travel mechanic, but certainly with cow being ineffective as a cop the town had nothing else to work with and therefore a big disadvantage.