Chocolate! Game over. Town wins!

[milkshake]

[Undercover Monk]

Ahh but he did respond. Post 63 check it out. This is after your bandwagon post. He didn't claim just kinda resigned. Also as this is chocolate mafia claims are slightly less helpful than usual. We all have weird roles so if you have any creativity you can make up a likely sounding role and get away with it. If you are going to witch hunt please get your facts straight.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[milkshake]

Undercover Monk, that post 63 was with all of one vote on him.

Yes, all roles are weird roles but if that note is any indication, we still have confirmable PRs like cop, vig, etc.

[Undercover Monk]

yes one vote and what amounted to two FOS's mine and DP I believe. It was obvious that he was in danger. lexprod aalso had said he wanted a response. He had less than 36 hours left anyway before he would die. If he wanted to claim he had his chance in 63. If you can tell me you wouldnt have felt threatened in his position than I call you brave or stupid. I will have more in a minute I have to go kill someone at pool.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[lexprod]

Ugh, short first days suck. I really wish we had time to have more than one bandwagon going so we could have some better reads by now. DP barely posted anything but votes last day, but he is also claiming restricted access.

I do agree that MNOWAX's response was a bit weak, and I think the time factor was an issue, with only 20 hours left before a no lynch. I'm still of the opinion that one of DP UM and milk should hang this day, still not getting the best read.

[milkshake]

[Undercover Monk]

And I already addressed the idea of claiming with an undefined role set. Its not like someone can say Im the cop and then we wont lynch them we already had one scum cop. It is a very diferent game we are playing and I think you are deflecting. Which I am too but I'm not scum. So there
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

raekuul's death could have been caused by something like the "nearsighted old man" role from Texas Mafia:
- can choose to stay up at night or sleep
- if he stays up, he has a chance of killing anyone who targets him

That could explain scum getting killed and lack of scumkill.

On the other hand, in games with scum abilities, usually a scum must pass on using his ability to kill, and I don't think the scum could have another ability stronger than that, not without badly unbalancing the game ...

I'll stop before I argue myself in circles.

[lexprod]

[Dragon Phoenix]

I would actually argue that the remaining mafia (assuming a 2 pp group) is most likely not on the bandwagon - I know that this can be construed as self defence, but wine in front of me suggests that it is unlikely that both scum would hop on the very first bandwagon together. Then again, with such a small game, most conventional wisdon goes out of the window.

I am not happy with the uncontrolled hammer either, but I like UM's defence. It feels sincere.
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My photography:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artrock2006/

[Undercover Monk]

It wasn't uncontrolled I thought that that was what we had decided. Misguided perhaps but not uncontrolled. hmm. slowed down a bit . I am tired I will do a review later.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[lexprod]

[ralphmerridew]

After MNOWAX's non-claim, I'm taking it as the pragmatic "We have to lynch somebody" lynch. I don't view the people on the bandwagon as more or less suspicious than anyone else.

One other thing: I'm not sure how useful this information is, but I was targeted last night.

[lexprod]

[Undercover Monk]

Really serious discussion??? I have possibly contribbuted the most this day next to possibly milkshake what have you done your highness. Now I did promise a review but I am on Thanksgiving Break so thats why I haven't taken the time to do anything in depth. I will if need be claim but not until next week probably. Thats all for now football starts soon
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Dragon Phoenix]

After a re-read, I still like UM's defence, I think lexprod is too vocal to be the remaining scum (still assuming one left of course), and I am leaning to ralphmerridew right now as the most likely candidate between him and milkshake. The "I was targeted" can be a red herring - I am also not sure why a townie would throw out that info right now. No vote yet, I want more discussion first.
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My photography:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artrock2006/

[lexprod]

[Zag]

The great big clock on the wall says:

72:00:00
71:59:59
...

[Undercover Monk]

Well first off I am sorry I was short with you guys last week it has been a very stressful Thanksgiving. But I have all my Christmas shopping done and only two weeks left before break, so it should be a relaxing Christmas.

As to why I am against claiming as an end all solution for this game is that we have already had one odd role and knowing my own role and knowing Zag's ability to come up with creative games, I think we can readily expect no simple cop doctor or mafia role. So all the scum have to do is be creative and then they have a decent shot of getting us to believe them. Not that claiming is out of the picture but It provides less information than usual. That means we have to relay more on in thread discussion. As far as that goes I think rm may be the better lynch as he isn't contributing so he isn't much of an asset.... (more to come, including the always helpful scum-o-meter).
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

We know that there's a cop with ADD who could be controlled by the mafia (see raekuul's role pm).

[Undercover Monk]

Oh Scum-o-Meter please give us the answer to this conudrum.

Lexprod: playing as his usual self. At some points aggresive but also reluctant, a good townie trait. Scum rarely doubt themselves townies always doubt themselves. Probably the person I trust the most for now. 3/10

Milkshake: still a bit of an enigma since this is only his second game on the GL, but is making a name for himself. I still don't like the jump on my hammer but he has relaxed my suspicion a little. 7/10

DragonPhoenix: hasn't offered much but then again has done nothing to arouse suspicion. 5/10

ralphmerridew: Has done nothing and is dead weight a good lyn regardless 6/10

Undercover Monk: Most definately town. He is the most likely to save the town with his brilliant plans and charming smile. 0/10


So what do you think I'm leaning toward a rm lynch as a way to do some housekeeping and the partnerS comment scares me a little but this is Chocolate Mafia.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[lexprod]

[Dragon Phoenix]

[Undercover Monk]

Wow I didn't even think about that. Dang you DP I thought I had someone I could trust. Now I'm not so sure. Lexy IGMEOY. (besides can we really trust someone with ties to Lex Corp.

However the fact is rm hasn't provided anything and Lex has tried. Ithink I'll pressure our lurking friend. (We need a lynch but not as fast as day 1)
unvote, Vote: ralphmerridew
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

What's so bad about revealing that I was targeted, DP? As it happens, if targeted at night, I have a chance of learning who targeted me. Last night raekuul targeted me, so the ADD cop probably did as well.

The mafia presumably know raekuul's move, so I wasn't telling them anything they didn't know.

[lexprod]

[lexprod]

[Zag]

[ralphmerridew]

I was checked by the cop last night, and the mafia know it. I figured that the remaining mafia would try to subtly back a bandwagon against me in an attempt to get the cop to identify himself, and I sat back carefully in an attempt to watch for that. I think that UM's been too forward in going after me, but DP's been following the right balance.

Vote: Dragon Phoenix

Those who are still voting for me, I claim
* One of the roles is an ADD cop (from raekuul's role claim)
* I was targeted by raekuul last night.
* Therefore, I was also targeted by that cop.
* I am good.
* I was cleared by that cop last night.

If I were wrong on the last point, the cop would post to say so and get me lynched (especially if, as DP thinks, there's only one scum left).

Does anybody care to contradict me on that last point?

[milkshake]

Back from thanksgiving break... I see this game has been active! Sorry if I seem a little confused for a few posts here.

[ralphmerridew]

My claims related to the cop:
- I have claimed that the cop investigated me last night, and got an innocent result.
- The cop knows whether or not those statements are true.
- If they are false, he would realize I'm lying and accuse me.

As for my abililty, my base claims are:
- raekuul had the ability to set the target of the cop. (given in death post)
- From my role ability, I know that I was targeted by raekuul.

From those two facts, it follows that the cop also targeted me last night.

[Undercover Monk]

See this is what I mean about claims being worth very little. With no stretch of the imagination, rm's claim seems right enough. He may even be telling the truth. However there is a very good chance rm is just a scum who can think up a decent role. However I don't like it. This is just a little to obvious. I like my vote where it is. Sorry rm I'm just not convinced.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[ralphmerridew]

Never mind the exact details of my role. All that matters about it (for now) is that I know raekuul targeted me last night.

UM, did you read read raekuul's role? I'll repost it for you.

[Zag]

The clock stops its ticking at

24:00:00

It is remaining there for the time being. (It's purpose was to get some discussion of some sort going, which is has achieved. It will start up again only if it seems we are stalling out again.)

[lexprod]

[Undercover Monk]

well in this case a third option is probably likely being chocolate mafia and all. I will tell you one thing I am surprised about, no bandwagons have developed today. That is leading me to believe we only have one scum left otherwise they could have jumped on me milkshake or rm. With only one left they have to be careful. hmm will have to think about this.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Dragon Phoenix]

Well, it's good to see you post more than a one-liner ralphmerridew, and to see you had a plan behind that, even if it led you up the wrong tree.

Leaning towards lexprod now.
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My photography:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/artrock2006/

[lexprod]

[Zag]

hmmm. 24 hours without a post. The big clock on the wall flickers threateningly, but does not start counting just yet.

[ralphmerridew]

@lexprod: IIUC, cop-baiting refers to mafia trying to get investigated by cops in a future night action. If so, I'm not cop-baiting; I'm claiming to have been investigated in a past night action.