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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:47 pm Post subject: 1 |
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Inspired by an article in Scientific American on Opponent process.
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Key Concepts
- Red and green are called opponent colors because people normally cannot see redness and greenness simultaneously in a single color. The same is true for yellow and blue.
- Researchers have long regarded color opponency to be hardwired in the brain, completely forbidding perception of reddish green or yellowish blue.
- Under special circumstances, though, people can see the “forbidden” colors, suggesting that color opponency in the brain has a softwired stage that can be disabled.
- In flickering light, people see a variety of geometric hallucinations with properties suggestive of a geometric opponency that pits concentric circles in opposition to fan shapes.
Engineers often load a structure with weight until it collapses or shake it until it flies apart. Like engineers, many scientists also have a secret love for destructive testing—the more catastrophic the failure, the better. Human vision researchers avoid irreversible failures (and lawsuits) but find reversible failures fascinating and instructive—and sometimes even important, as with the devastating spatial disorientations and visual blackouts that military pilots can experience. At the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory, the two of us explore the most catastrophic visual failures we can arrange. We create conditions in which people see images flowing like hot wax and fragmenting like a shattered mosaic. Here, we tell the story of the two most intriguing perceptual breakdowns we have studied: forbidden colors and biased geometric hallucinations.
Have you ever seen the color bluish yellow? We do not mean green. Some greens may appear bluish and others may appear yellow-tinged, but no green (or any other color) ever appears both bluish and yellowish at the same moment. And have you ever seen reddish green? We do not mean the muddy brown that might come from mixing paints, or the yellow that comes from combining red and green light, or the texture of a pointillist’s field of red and green dots. We mean a single color that looks reddish and greenish at the same time, in the same place. |
There was an image, within the article, which allowed some people to see these colours.
It won't work for everybody as it depends upon your perception of each colour's luminence. but it worked for me (at least for the reddish-green), so I thought I'd let you try too.
For the bluish-yellow image, it just kept flickering from blue to yellow and then back. I expect I'd need to darken the yellow as the yellow seems a little brighter to me.
Just stare at the images with your eyes slightly crossed until you see 3 squares on each row with the crosses exactly overlapping. The central image should contain a colour that, by current neurological theory, should be impossible for you to perceive.
________________some text to move image out a little___________
I have found that adjusting the monitor's contrast and brightness is sometimes necessary to observe the effect. |
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Zag
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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject: 2 |
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Hmmm. I kind of saw it. Definitely I had brief flashes of a color my brain was quite unhappy with naming.
I have a personal anecdote about a similar sort of "unhooking" of a semi-hardwired thing in the brain. If you ever have ever tried to scream or shout at full volume, acting as if you are truly terrified by something, you'll know that it is hard to do if you don't know how. The problem is that we are pre-programmed with a certain self-consciousness or something, that causes us to do the fake shout, which is significantly less loud than a real one, and is easily identified by any listener as fake. I learned this many years ago in an acting class. The trick is just to recognize that this happens, and "unhook" the regulator in your brain that saves such volume for real emergencies. It takes only a little practice once you know to do it.
Anyway, about a year ago I was asleep in bed, with my wife sleeping not 3 feet away. I was dreaming that I had been captured by spies and brought to their safe house. I managed to free myself from my bonds, but I wanted to create chaos in the house in which I might escape. I decided to shout "Fire!" hoping some of the enemy would be confused. Of course, I (in my dream) knew about the fake shout vs. real shout issue, so I mentally unhooked the internal regulator and shouted with full panic sound to my voice.
Guess what my wife woke up to. |
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Lepton*
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: 3 |
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I just get flickering.
Regarding Zag's yelling addition, I've also learned how to do that. In fact, yesterday I had to do so in order to get two boys to stop fighting. In cases like that, it's pretty clearly advantageous to have the ability to yell both louder and more coarsely than normal. Puts the fear in 'em. |
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wordcross

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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:40 am Post subject: 4 |
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I managed to settle on a red-green equilibrium, but the blue-yellow just melted back and forth. _________________ Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
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Nsof
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: 5 |
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| Zag wrote: |
| Guess what my wife woke up to. |
A bucket of water from confused spooks?
For me, trying to see this effect while all four squares were visible at the same time was too confusing. The red crept into the yellowblue and vice versa so i had so scroll the page up an down to separate the tests.
Anyhow, the yellowblue constantly shifted between yellow and blue never striking any balance. The redgreen was the same only the colors shifted slower. _________________ Will sell this place for beer |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:53 pm Post subject: 6 |
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I had a lot of trouble with the Blue/Yellow one too, but the following helped me see the effect.
The problem is that your brain can only merge the colours together when the appear to you to have the same luminescence. Of course people's perception of this attribute varies and that coupled with the fact that we each are using different hardware for displaying it, makes it difficult to present an image that will work for everybody.
What you need to do is observe the colours switching rapidly and then adjust your monitor to minimise the flickering effect. Once you observe minimal flicker (basically when it's easiest on the eyes), you should have a better chance of seeing the forbidden colours.
With that in mind I have created two animated GIFs that should help you adjust your monitor and provide the optimum environment. They are a little hard on the eyes, so I will only provide them as links rather than submit you to the constant flashing.
YellowBlueFlicker
RedGreenFlicker
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DF*
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Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject: 7 |
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I tried and got a sort of yellowish beige for the red/green and a faintly creamy grey from the blue/yellow.
I tried again with an idea I had about making a chequerboard pattern from 1 pixel each of the alternate colours side by side and looking at the pattern from a distance far enough to blur the distinction. In both cases I got a similar result to the migraine inducing version.
I get the feeling I'm just seeing a sort of "colour blindness" effect rather than a "new" colour that I can't name. |
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mv*
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:09 am Post subject: 8 |
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I get wonderful sense of colors I can't explain and amazing patterns when I close my eyes and gently press and massage the eyes. There is absolutely no effect if I keep one eye open.
Another funny feeling was writing a paper on a faulty computer screen. The screen had a severe blue tint and I so I was staring at a "white" page for a long time. When I looked away, everything had a very noticeable red tint. The blue tinted computer screen looked as it completely normal. |
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wordcross

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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:30 pm Post subject: 9 |
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mv, that's something that all of our senses do. Whenever we're presented with continuous stimuli whatever sense is in use starts to phase out specific awareness. That's why, when you put on a shirt, you feel the fabric for a bit but then for the rest of the day you hardly notice it. But then when you take off the shirt you notice the difference.
A fun experiment is to find super-saturated colored glasses. (The lenses are usually given gem names such as ruby or sapphire or emerald etc.) Wear them until everything looks normal again. Take them off and everything looks like the opposite color. (i.e. wear Ruby glasses and everything looks greenish afterwards.) _________________ Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
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Samadhi
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: 10 |
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That reminds me of an experiment where the subject wore glasses that flipped the image (upside down). Eventually the subject adapted and saw things normally. When the glasses were taken off, everything was upside down. _________________ And he lived happily ever after. Except for the dieing at the end and the heartbreak in between. |
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groza528
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: 11 |
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| Word; I experienced that the first time I went skiing. I was wearing orange-tinted goggles. When I took them off the snow looked blue. |
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