10 Year Reunion: Game Over!

[Zag]

[Zag]

Oh yeah. I didn't say a whole lot about everybody and then vote for someone else. That's what I accused you of. ... just in case you forgot.

[Antrax]

Oh, come on. Nobody asked you "hey, could you explain again what it means to be in lynch or lose? Oh, you're saying that if an innocent votes an innocent it's instant loss for the town? Thanks, I forgot".

[Quailman]

I had to go to East Texas, the high-speed black hole of the universe, because my mother-in-law totaled her car. She's fine, even though she had to be pulled out through the window because the doors wouldn't open.

I see that you guys have added about three pages in my absence. I still have suspicions based on a quick skim, but I need to reread, and from a PC where I can take notes, not from this Ipad.

The dial-up doesn't even work at her home. It boots you out as soon as your home page loads.

[mith]

Vote Count: 5 to lynch.

Internet Stranger: 3 (Zag, Alfie, Sofis)
Zag: 2 (Mackay, Elayne)
mole: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 3 (Antrax, Quailman, mole)

[Zag]

[Internet Stranger]

Does anyone not find it peculiar that the scum (Antrax & Mole) are in the not voting list?
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[Quailman]

Phew! I've read through today and reviewed the earlier days. I made notes, which I do not feel like editing, so grammar errors and all, here they are:

Alfie posted my thoughts on 10/12 about IS – He (IS) clearly looks the scummiest. Mole’s refutation of Alfie’s logic looks like he’s defending IS – same team?

Antrax, whom I’ve suspected all along is not voting yet – waiting for a bandwagon against an innocent? He’s unwilling to conclude IS’s scumminess, and wants to connect Elayne and Alfie while proclaiming Zag’s scumvibes the result of caution. Aha! After further consideration, Antrax is ready to vote Zag before IS, but still no vote.

[Zag]

Q, Two of your points against me rely on IS being scum for them to be relevant.
- How is it scummy to have rated IS low, if he isn't scum, also? And do you really think I'm that stupid?
- mole's accusation of me rests on the same assumption.

Only the quote you have from Antrax includes me but not IS, and you have said that you suspect him, too! Why would you listen to him, then?

I admit that I've done some stupid things to draw attention to myself. But do you really have a preponderance of guilt if you drop the assumption that IS is guilty? And if you need that assumption, why not take him first?

I'm not actually expecting this to save my skin, because when IS goes down and we know he is scum, all those arguments will be validated. And if, against all reason, he isn't scum, I supposed you'll all come after me, anyway. But at least it give me one more day to squirm (as Mackay likes to put it ).

I have yet to hear IS or anyone else explain any reason an innocent person would have hammered DP the way that IS did, beyond "That's just his style -- he's wacky." I can (and have) said why a scum would have done so. Even a wacky townie would have wanted to wait and see if there was anything to learn from him before stringing him up.

I can, at least, say that one of my beliefs has been confirmed. It is much harder to form a bandwagon on a guilty person than on an innocent one -- there are just too many scum non-votes you have to overcome when it is on a guilty person, whereas the bandwagon on an innocent can always count on half or more of the scum helping it grow. I'm sorry (Antrax) if I'm just stating something that is already obvious and understood by all you experienced players, but maybe you need to be reminded of it.

[Mackay]

Just a minor correction, Qman - I have had the strongest pro-town feel about Sofis, not the strongest suspicion. I bet I threw it in the middle of a rambling sentence somewhere, so I imagine it's an easy mistake to make (I need more coffee before I go through this thread again, so I'm gonna just take your word for it).

[Internet Stranger]

I find it interesting that Zaq keeps harping on and on and on about me being guilty. But I know im innocent.

Im in the mood to drop the hammer on him too. But I wont, because Antrax and Mole are the scum. They are just sitting back and enjoying the show.
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[Elayne]

Quailman, good to see your post!

IS isn't and hasn't ever been on the top of my scum list. You might have gotten a couple of my posts confused. I posted in 452, that I still had Alfie infront of Zag but not by much. Hence why in post 471 I said I was fine voting for the second person on my list, Zag. Zag is now at the top of my list having cracked under pressure. IS is probably third on my list at the moment.

[Mackay]

[mole]

[Internet Stranger]

I dont care how much of a jackass Zaq looks like. The scum are Antrax and Mole.
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[Elayne]

You know, in all of this wall of spam we have from Zag, have we even seen a hint of a role name claim? I started skimming his posts since he was repeating the same things again and again, but I don't think I missed one.

Granted we haven't asked for one and I can't see myself changing my mind, but Zag, if you are town, why not? You seem to have tried everything else.

[Antrax]

Was at a late bachelor's party. Will post later. Zag, please claim.
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[Zag]

Well, thanks for calling it spam, to which I can only say, "suck it."

Sure, I'll claim, I am a vanilla townie. (Surprise! Even if I were scum I'd say that. I've never understood why claiming it convinces anyone.)

I don't think that there is anything to the names, but I do have some fear that the mafia, who know more names than the rest of us, might be able to get something from them. But I'm vanilla, anyway, so there's nothing interesting to be gotten from mine.

I am Murray, and my flavor text talks about me being second only to The Minotaur on the list of heroes, even though someone else wrote his name (in crayon) above us both.

Oh, and my win condition was just like what Chaz said, you know, the same text that appears in one of the first few posts in the thread. I'm sure that's very convincing.

Antrax, I'm still waiting for your post describing every vote you've made and why you made it, like the one I made above. Elayne, since you're asking stuff of me, it's only fair that you make one, too.

I'm not sure what other hoops you want me to jump through to convince you. I don't care much anymore, because I know I can't -- you've made up your minds and nothing I say can convince you.

[Internet Stranger]

I think its unlikely that he could have made up the name for Murray.

Can we lynch Antrax and Mole now?
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[mole]

My vote will be going to Zag.

Any questions (from townies, not scum)?

[Alfie]

In the style of mith:

Vote Count: 5 to lynch.

Internet Stranger: 3 (Zag, Alfie, Sofis)
Zag: 3 (4) (Mackay, Elayne, Quailman, mole)
mole: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 1 (Antrax)
Italics are for those not bold voting, but who have stated their intentions.

I think I also agree with Elayne, I'll be satisfied with a Zag vote. I'm not sure he's my #2 (a slot currently occupied by Sofis), and I still don't think its the best play for the town (bird in the hand and all that). Once the day has run long, I'll move my vote to Zag if he still has a majority. But I'm not risking a clipped day by moving my bold vote. Whoever we do lynch, I want them to have plenty of time to post stuff we can analyze when they're gone.

But since it bears repeating, Sofis is flying under the radar and IS is wearing a sandwich board that says, "IM SKUM, LINCH ME UP!"

[Antrax]

Zag's claim is too elaborate. It does fit well with previously known roles, but a) it would've been easy to forge it and b) if he's really a townie then it becomes even less likely there are four scum.
I don't really see any point in continuing my discussion with him if he's scum. If amazingly, he's not, I'll be willing to answer his questions posthumously tomorrow, if I make it through the night.
I see no reason not to vote at this point. Everyone have spoken, and if there really are four scum, they must be IS, Quailman, Elayne and Mackay, which is an unlikely (and frightening) situation. So if I just threw the game, my hat's off to you, but I am going to vote: Zag.
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[Mackay]

I disagree, Ant - I think "Murray" was probably a safe rolename given to the scum. If Zag were to pick a random name off the memberlist to slap next to "vanilla townie", I don't think he'd pick something as prominent as #3, so I don't think he "forged" his own rolename per se.

Alfie, what is it that makes you think Sofis is as suspicious as/more suspicious than Zag? If I were to pick an "under-the-radar" guy it would probably be Quail.

I am not moving my vote, surprisingly enough.

[Quailman]

[Zag]

Once again, you should pay attention. The day is done, and you shouldn't be posting. Bye all. Well done, Town, you finally bagged one.

Someday I'll learn how to play this game.

[Quailman]

Thanks for clearing that up. Antrax is the fourth vote. Mole merely indicated an intent to vote for you, which is non-binding according to the official rules.

Whether or not Murray was his real role, I remember him well. He was a fact-checker. He left that to become a HS Spanish teacher in NYC. I wonder what he's up to now.

[Mackay]

Actually, you're only at 4 (assuming mith's vote count at the top of the page is correct) - mole hasn't actually placed a vote yet. But I imagine it won't be long now. =)

[Sofis]

Right then, let's go sleep.

Vote: Zag

[Zag]

lol. reading comprehension not so good. Anyway, good bye. Good luck, Mafia!! Kill those sickening townies.

[mith]

Final Vote Count: 5 to lynch.

Zag: 5 (Mackay, Elayne, Quailman, Antrax, Sofis)
Internet Stranger: 2 (Zag, Alfie)
mole: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 3 (mole)

[mith]

"Hey, check this out..."

One of the GLers is looking at a wallet, fished out of the recently deceased's pocket.

"He was telling the truth. He really was Murray."

"But... why would Murray join the Mafia?"

"I heard rumors... that he saw things... deep in the labyrinth, that few others discovered... maybe something happened to him then. No one had heard from him in a while until this little convention, right?"

"Oh, look, there's something under his official GL idenfitication..."

The card reads:

K.A.K.A.P.O.

"What does that stand for?"

"I dunno. Killers... Assassins... uh... what's another K?"

"Knaves?"

"Knaves, yeah! Hey, you aren't a member too, are you?"

"Er... I'm just guessing. It's probably not Knaves."

Later, unfortunately, no one can remember who correctly suggested "Knaves".

"Let's see... the second A could just be And... Puzzlers?"

"Puzzlethusiasts!"

Once again, no one is sure later who actually suggested this correction.

"And the O could be Organization. Killers, Assassins, Knaves, And Puzzlethusiasts Organization?"

"What a silly acronym."

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Zag (Murray, K.A.K.A.P.O.) has been lynched! It is Night 4. Deadline for night choices is 72 hours from this post.

[mith]

Somber organ music plays in the chapel, setting the mood for the wake K.A.K.A.P.O.'s latest victim. The seven GLers are hanging back, waiting for the chapel to clear so they can approach the body and look for clues to his identity. This is taking longer than they had anticipated, as the room is full of female mourners, each in turn taking her time paying her respects before leaning over and... well, the GLers can't quite figure out what's going on. Curiosity finally gets the better of them, and they inch forward to get a better look.

The next mourner - later identified as "Nate's Mom" - approaches the departed and, unable to control her emotions, throws herself at the corpse and... licks his face?

Light bulbs metaphorically appear over the heads of the GLers. Satisfied that they have identified the body, they leave the chapel to get on with avenging his death.

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Antrax (AcidFast, Innocent; bodyguard) has been murdered. It is Day 5. With 7 alive, it will take 4 to lynch before deadline, which is two weeks from this post.

[Internet Stranger]

This makes no sense. Why kill Antrax? All that does is implicate Elayne now. Which is too obvious.

It would be so funny if it was Sofis after all.

Vote: Sofis
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[Mackay]

RIP Ant.

vote: IS. I was reluctant yesterday because I think that IS generally acts like a scum in every game, so while his hammer on DP was enough against almost anyone else, how should I know whether I can even apply that to IS? But he decisively showed his hand yesterday while defending Zag, and now I'm perfectly comfortable with an IS lynch, instead of only like 80% comfortable.

Quail, your logic against me from yesterday is a bit of a stretch. In a situation where Zag and I are scum together, why should I resist the ISwagon? If IS is scum with us too, well, I was planning to lynch a scumbuddy anyway. If he's town, bonus! (He's totally not town.)

[Internet Stranger]

(Im so totally town)
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[Mackay]

So anyway, I did not expect Zag's nameclaim to actually be true. It's a shame we didn't get to see more reactions to it, but I don't blame Sofis for hammering someone who had openly admitted being mafia! In any case, IS having been all "He couldn't have made that name up. welp, case closed!" makes today an easy decision, though we should probably discuss everything we need to before stringing him up. I'll unvote if y'all want me to, but I had to at least slap it on there as a matter of principle.

We now know that the mafia are not necessarily players from the first game. I guess this doesn't rule them out completely, but it weakens my main argument against Elayne, who reacted to Amb's claim like a person who had knowledge that there was an existing "Sofis" role. Also, Antrax had already overtaken her on my own personal scum-o-meter yesterday, I was going to make an argument for lynching him after IS. Regardless, I don't actually think it will be that difficult for the town henceforth. We've gotten a LOT of information from this last game day, and the evidence mostly points at a relatively small subset of the players.

Time to stare at Zag's posts some more, I guess. =(

*preview* Oh hey, IS posted! *scorpion deathlock*

[Elayne]

IS, why back to Sofis? What happened to mole? Also, did you even consider the fact that since Antrax was a bodyguard, he might not have been the target? Maybe you knew he was the target and that's why you didn't consider it? Or did you know he wasn't the target and you were trying to keep us from figuring out who you were really trying to kill?

You've moved up to #1 on my scum list.

Vote: IS

[mole]

[Internet Stranger]

Bodyguard didnt even register to me until you mentioned it. I guess he did protect somebody.

I really thought that Zaq was just an overzealous idiot.

I figure Mackay has to be innocent. Setting up Zaq at this point could work though.

So if I was wrong about Antrax, I guess im wrong about Mole too.

If Elayne was scum, she wouldnt have pointed out that Antrax was protecting someone to me.

That leaves Alfie, Quail and Sofis.
Any of those 3 could be scum.

Alfie was just as ravenous as Zaq.
Quail is probably still playing with boys.
Zaq tried to clear Sofis early on by loosely voting for him.

So im going with Sofis.

Im innocent. Thats all there is too it. I think youre all just overeager townies, waving pitchforks and torches and doing all the work for the scum.
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[Internet Stranger]

Oh and did you forget how badly Zaq wanted me lynched along with his pal, Alfie? There is no way he was that animated and faking it at the same time.

Im clearly innocent.
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