Johnny Depp Mafia: [Game Over]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

For the record... I thought sAb had a special role because I read Amb's opening post very carefully. When you have that mind set and sAb uses the word "positive" to describe how sure he is... what other conclusion would I have drawn?

I'll tell you what other conclusion I drew.
That sAb and Zag were Mafia together, and he thought it might be funny to point back at that post later and say "there you go... I told you guys!"

In any event (with no other information to go on) I figured one of those two would be a good person to start putting pressure on. Zag already had two votes, so I went with Zag. I think it's a much better strategy then going after someone for reasons which have nothing to do with this game.
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[Zag]

Are you about to attack Mackay next? You've already gone after sAb, me, Silverfire, and MNOWAX. Of those, only MNOWAX was remotely justified. Here we are on page 3; it's time for your fifth and sixth attempt to throw suspicion somewhere else, if you're going to keep your average up.

[Sniklac16]

Exactly my argument, Zag which is why i had voted for him until MNO caught my eye. Personally i believe its either Chaz or MNO for reasons already stated
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[Chaz]

"Going" after sAb and you were related. They were also first day nothing to go on thoughts, and I said so.

Silverfire was justified (even Silver said "I must have been on crack when I wrote that.") I withdrew my FOS when SF clarified (though I still have it in the back of my mind that it may have been Freudian.)

If Mackay had said that her role didn't have a special name, then I would have instantly switched my vote to her. The only reason anyone would do this is because they misread Amb's post to mean "that normal roles wouldn't have special names." I know for a fact that townie roles have special names, and Mackay made it clear that she knows that too. I wouldn't use it to prove that Mackay is town, but it certainly would have suggested that she wasn't town if she had thought that town didn't have role names.

To answer your question: No. I'm not going to "go after" Mackay. I think her reason for voting for me ("because what the hell") is just as good a reason as any (except for MNO) right now.
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[MNOWAX]

heh, he's SO Chazscum. I'm 110% confident now. He's in a jam, and now he needs to get the heat off of him.

*points to noose* I wonder if you like SWING?
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Sniklac16]

I think almost everyone is agreeing that its chaz, i say we get this day over with and see where our cards wind up....that being said unvote vote chaz That gives him6 votes by my count 1 away...Better start trying to better explain yourself lol
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[Quailman]

Snicklac has been way to eager to jump on any bandwagon/plurality. I think that's his sixth vote. I've been watching the bickering and I'm concerned that the bad guys may be watching the good guys self-destruct over semantics.

unvote: Chaz; vote: Snicklac

[Mackay]

unvote Chaz, I don't want him to die just yet and it's not as though I have any actual idea yet. =)

[sAbLLimINal]

[Chaz]

[Mackay]

Actually, most of my reason for voting Chaz was something that he said which ended up being a partial misinterpretation on my part. The "personal vendetta" was intended pretty flippantly. I left the vote there because it's day 1 and frankly, I find Chaz not very helpful as town so a lynch of him is less unacceptable to me than a lynch of, say, Quailman or DP. Also, he says he's vanilla, so we know he isn't a pro-town power role (but may well still be mafia).

Honestly, I'm probably not going to be very good at analysing this game until the 10 year reunion one is over. I'm already dead in it, but it got me tremendously hooked and I'm still all emotionally invested in it. Plus, I only find day 1 useful after a couple of other days have gone past. I want to reread (after 3 pages - pathetic, I know) because I saw Chaz' comment and got distracted by suspecting him rather than looking at the whole picture.

[Dragon Phoenix]

[Sentran]

[Amb]

Vote Count
3. Chaz (Zag, MNOWAX, Sniklac16)
2. MNOWAX (Chaz, Undercover Monk)
2. Sniklac16 (Quailman, Dragon Phoenix)
1. sAbLLimINal (ralphmerridew)

Not voting: Kraddrol, Mackay, Sentran, Silverfire


Note: I fixed up a faulty Quote tag on this page. Just in case any one noticed and thought oddly of it.

[Silverfire]

[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

Wow, I'm still pretty confident in a chaz Lynch, but you Sniklac, you just jumped to the head of the line If Chaz comes up innocent. Even if he Doesn't You'll still be deep in my sights.


and Zag. Hi! *waves* Zag is totally right about me, but I have my ways of sinffing out scum.
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MNOWAX

[KradDrol]

[Sniklac16]

[Sniklac16]

Oh and by the way, everyone all a sudden voting for me cuz i put chaz at L-1, doesnt scare me at all i stick by my vote and not changing it cuz im certain hes scum, and im confident at some point he'll slip up and everyone else will realize it too
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[Chaz]

Hmmm. I'm certain that I'm not mafia, and I think it's a good idea to lynch you just for saying that you're certain that I am. I'll wait for Mackay to chime in though; she's usually pretty insightful.

@Zag: when he put me at L-1, I agree about the pressure, but I don't see what more he would want from me? I'm willing to explain myself more, but I need to know what he might want explained...

For right now, I still think MNO is the best choice for pressuring, but Snik's "either Chaz or MNO" comment almost changed my mind--and, yes, I realize the irony of me thinking that.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Mackay]

[Sniklac16]

[Mackay]

Whoops! Found something better. Rereading is fun

I disagreed with Chaz' "either Zag or sAb", but I had my own "possible sAb and Zag?" thought, which I think got mentioned by someone else also. I had filed it away for future reference, but here we have someone getting overly defensive about one vote which was on somebody else, and focusing on that same link.

[KradDrol]

[Sentran]

[Mackay]

I guess so, serves me right for being so grandiose

I should have been more clear on MNOWAX's behaviour, I guess. IMO, it's pretty shady to make plans to lynch someone, then lynch their argumentative opponent if/when they turn up innocent. You can't make that kind of assumption based on an innocent result, because it really doesn't tell us that much.

In the case I've just stated, I feel that two and possibly three mafia have linked themselves together. There was an unspoken implication that "if KradDrol is guilty, then I'm positive I was right that he was defending sAb and he should be done in next". Obviously if KradDrol is innocent (who knows, maybe they're friends outside the game or something? All I know is that he acted affronted that someone who wasn't him got voted! so so so scummy) then I'm hallucinating and sAb should live =)

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

Damn. I don't know a lot of these players at all... I was hoping Mackay did (the main reason I was awaiting her analysis.)
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[Mackay]

Why would pressure on MNO be the "best move"? What does it achieve? Meanwhile we have a network of 2 or 3 people whose alignment will be revealed by one guilty lynch, and can be dropped if it is incorrect. How is "putting pressure on" MNO better than that?

Is it really only me who thinks that it is ridiculously "scumbuddy" for someone to act defensive on another person's behalf on day 1, going so far as to state the other person's motives for them?!

[Chaz]

I certainly could see town doing it... I was CONVINCED that IS was scum after he hammered uh... whoever... DP I think (in reunion). His innocence showed me thate even clearly scum behaviour can be committed by townies.

I still stay on MNO because I think it's obvious that he wants a fast lynch, and I see that as excitement to get to night... I hadn't considered until just now that he might have a power role as well...

Hmmmm. See that Mackay? Insightful!
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[Chaz]

Also... the "stating the motives" part is a good point.

You're right. Krad needs to answer some things while under pressure.

Unvote; Vote: KradDrol
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[Sentran]

While I am still riding the fence myself, I had another thought that has me suspecting the newest player, Mackay. I hope this is not meta-gaming or bad form (or even against the rules), but I've seen other players post about other games, so I may be safe. Anyway, I noticed that Amb replaced the noncommunicative member rather quickly. This could for one of three reasons.
1. He wants active players that will be engaged, as that is what makes a good game.
2. He noticed that the one that was dropped is not a forum member and had only made the one post, as he said.
3. The loss of the player in that role would be detrimental to the balance of the game.
The first option I consider to be an incomplete reason, in that it could be true in addition to either of the other two. The second I could buy, save for the fact that replacing the player before even the first week is out seems rather sudden.
I believe that option 3 has some merit. Amb changed the player count from 12 to 13 without an issue, but was concerned about a replacement instead of just allowing the number to go back to 12. That tells me that either the lost player was scum, or an important special role. I am leaning to the former.
Then again, as I've mentioned before, I'm new at this.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Mackay]

Apparently the dude I replaced hadn't even picked up his role PM (it would have been in Amb's "sentbox" instead of his "outbox" if he had actually bothered checking it), so I assume that's why he got replaced only a few real-time days in.

Metagaming is fine as far as I'm concerned! Watching people speculate about what roles might be present in the game is both fun and a good source of information. I'd like to make an opposing metagame-argument, though, that Amb was prepared to just let the role die if IO_whatever didn't show up and wasn't replaced (replacing is very much the norm), meaning I'm probably not very important. =)

[Chaz]

Huh. I wonder. Now that Sentran pointed that out; it's all I can think about. It could have been that Amb was implying that they best prod their mafia brother to check in, find a replacement, or he would be mod-killed.

Are we not supposed to talk about other games? I may have forgotten that rule. Apologies if needed.
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[Quailman]

I think it's option 2. He didn't read the PM, and he only joined to sign up. Maybe he's a bot.

[Chaz]

I considered the thought that he might be a player who signed up twice. I ruled this out though, since he hasn't even checked his PM.

I don't think I would have even considered it at all, until Mackay offered her counter argument, and now I'm curious as to why Quail (who is usually pretty quiet about things) is chiming in.

I have already decided that I'm just psyching myself out, but I wanted to post this for later re-reads by myself and others.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Zag]

[Sniklac16]