10 Year Reunion: Game Over!

[mith]

Vote Count: 4 to lynch.

Internet Stranger: 3 (Elayne, Alfie, Sofis)
Sofis: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 3 (mole, Quailman, Mackay)

[Internet Stranger]

I don't roleclaim out of principle. It has nothing to do with this game.

I don't recall Elayne jumping on any wagon early. That looks suspicious to me.
The fact that I'm not dead yet could mean that the scum is already on my wagon.

I'm satisfied with Sofis or Eayne as scum.

Although I would facepalm if Alfie is scum to form the dynamic duo of futility.
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[Internet Stranger]

...Well? What are we waiting for?
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[Quailman]

I mulling over the slim possibility of what happens if I hammer you and you're innocent. I guess I'll have to see what happens.

vote: IS

[Internet Stranger]

*sigh*, I expected better.
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[mith]

Final Vote Count: 4 to lynch.

Internet Stranger: 4 (Elayne, Alfie, Sofis, Quailman)
Sofis: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 2 (mole, Mackay)

[mith]

"Bah, you can't lynch the Paragon of Mafia Hunters like this!"

----
After proving him wrong, the GLers discover his identity.

"We've got to start being more observant. I mean, he was playing with that cube thing the whole time, putting it together, taking it apart. It's a dead giveaway."

"Oh well. I guess it's time to let these K.A.K.A.P.O. guys murder one of us again. Goodnight."

"Yeah... hey, wait a sec... this may be a crazy idea, but what if... instead of going to bed and letting the Mafia murder one of us in our sleep, we just all stay awake and together so they can't hurt us."

"Don't be silly. We've got to wake up early to lynch someone, you need your rest."

"Oh. Right."

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Internet Stranger (Soma^3, Innocent) has been lynched. It is Night 5. Deadline for night choices is 72 hours from this post.

[mith]

"So they shot her..."

"Him."

"Him? Oh, right, not really Mackay... anyway, they shot him in the nametag?"

A coroner, specializing in bizarre and convoluted death scenes occurring in games of Mafia being carried out in a GL meatworld meetup setting (convenient that such an appropriate professional happened to be at the Starbucks next door, eh?), nods.

"That's not what killed him, though. You see, he must have been expecting them to aim at his heart, so he was wearing nametags made out of kevlar."

"Nametags? More than one?"

"The bullet went right through the first. But underneath that..."

The coroner lifts the first nametag, which now reads MaOkay, revealing...

"CzarJ? But I thought you said him..."

"I did. That one was fake too."

"Now that you mention it, I did wonder what happened to CzarJ, and where this Mackay person came from. So the second nametag stopped the bullet?"

"Yes."

"Then what killed him?"

"Oh, I thought it was obvious. They unleashed a dropbear on him."

"...oh. Yeah, now that you mention it, his head shouldn't be ripped off like that, should it? Can you still identify him?"

"He went by Evil Empire, apparently."

"Wait, they killed one of their own?"

"No... he was innocent in all of this killing business."

"But... Evil..."

"A cuddly innocent sort of evil? I don't know, I'm just the plot device coroner."

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Mackay (Evil Empire, Innocent) has been murdered. It is Day 6. With 5 alive, it will take 3 to lynch before deadline, which is two weeks from this post.

[mole]

"Haha, we're so smart! I know IS wants to be lynched so that when we find out he was scum, Zag looks like a hero! But we're not falling for that, let's not do what the mafia wants and lynch Zag instead!"

So, Zag going after IS wasn't a pre-planned attempt at voting out a fellow mafia after all. And IS didn't hammer DP to save Zag. And IS being -1 on the scum-o-meter didn't mean anything either.

Basically everything we know is wrong.

[Quailman]

... And the person I suspected the most after IS was Evil, but not scum.

[mole]

What are your thoughts on a mass claim? You and Sofis have already claimed, Elayne, Alfie and I haven't.

If nothing else we'll be done with the "I refuse to claim" games.

[Elayne]

Sigh, so IS was an idiot after all for hammering DP.

Following your line of thinking mole, if Zag wasn't going after IS in an attempt to vote out a follow mafia member, what was he trying? For a quick lynch of the person the town was most likely to suspect? I'll need to re-read that day from that perspective.

As for mass claiming, I've been thinking about that. I think there should be no harm in saying the name of the person we were given. Well, as long as we don't jump to hasty conclusions. For roles, I've gone back and forth on that. It all depends on what roles are left (and the number of mafia). I haven't come to a conclusion yet, just some scenarios. I can list them out if people want.

[Quailman]

I'd like to hear the names you guys were given. The roles, too!

[Alfie]

Oh dear. IS was town after all. I suppose that falls into the 'spilled milk' category, but I can't help but feel IS helped knock over the glass.

As for a mass claim, I don't know that I'm opposed, though I can't think of anything useful it could tell us. Zag's name didn't tell us anything.

As for roles, how does it help? The scum will just lie. And, apparently, townies lie, too. I'm not really anti-claim, I'd just like to hear why people think it would be a good idea.

[Quailman]

Oh, well, if people are going to lie about it, forget it.

[Elayne]

I think my sarcasm detector is broken Quailman...should it have been going off there?

Where is Sofis? He seems to be sleeping in the past three days

[Sofis]

I exist. I lack insight into the current situation and thus haven't had anything burningly important to say (and I'm still too busy ).

I have no strong feelings about a mass claim. I doubt it would either help or harm.

It might be helpful to look at the opinions of known innocents. While they can certainly be wrong, we can at least trust that they aren't deliberately misleading.

I found this in a post by Antrax:

[mole]

Well Mackay gave her summary right at the bottom of the last page, just before the day ended:

[Elayne]

Sofis, I get that you feel you don't have good insights but silence is playing right into the mafia's hands. We at least need to agree on if we want to see a mass claim. Doesn't seem to be a strong push for it as far as I can tell. Also, if you are looking for a place to start, wouldn't some of the most relevent data be the votes of the people left in the game? We've had a few lynches now so we might be able to gain something from it. After I get done with my obligations tonight, I hope to have time to do that myself.

As far as the post from Antrax you quoted I remember thinking that logic was crude as he said. Using night kills to determine mafia is a double edged sword. Sure, the mafia could be eliminating the people voting for them. They could also be eliminating people to make someone look guilty. Or they could just be shooting the people the majority of the town thinks is innocent. They could also be power role hunting (thought I think that is the least likely in this game).

Mole, thanks for reminding me I need to re-read day 4 again. I have been so busy trying to fix things at work, I forgot about it.

[Elayne]

I don't have time to track the votes before the final ones at this time, so for now, just posting the votes at the time of lynch. I did find in post 279 Chaz summarized who voted for who Day 1. Bolding the votes of people still alive and Zag.

Day 1:
firemeboy: 6 (Dragon Phoenix, Quailman, Alfie, Antrax, Internet Stranger, L'lanmal)
Alfie: 2 (Elayne, Amb)
Amb: 1 (mole)
Internet Stranger: 1 (firemeboy)
L'lanmal: 1 (HyToFry)

Not Voting: 4 (Courk/Zag, CzarJ, Luna, Sofis)

Votes pretty spread out at this point. Courk/Zag wasn't voting for anyone by the end of the day.

Day 2:
Amb: 7 (Quailman, L'lanmal, Zag, Antrax, mole, HyToFry, Elayne)
Sofis: 3 (Internet Stranger, Dragon Phoenix, Alfie)
Internet Stranger: 2 (Amb, Sofis)

Not Voting: 1 (CzarJ)

3 of the 5 people left alive voted for amb. Zag voted for the lynch here.

Day 3:

Dragon Phoenix: 6 (Sofis, Quailman, mole, Antrax, Elayne, Internet Stranger)
Sofis: 2 (Zag, Dragon Phoenix)
Elayne: 2 (Mackay, HyToFry)

Not Voting: 1 (Alfie)

We have 4 people left alive voting for the person who was lynched. Alfie was the only person not voting with the rest. Last time Zag was voting with the pack, this time he was voting elsewhere.

Day 4:
Zag: 5 (Mackay, Elayne, Quailman, Antrax, Sofis)
Internet Stranger: 2 (Zag, Alfie)
mole: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 3 (mole) - note the 3 was from mith's post, it's obviously 1

This day's final vote is a little off since Zag confessed before mole actually voted him. So I think the no vote of mole is probably misleading. The Sofis vote might be as well. I need to go back and see if Sofis was leaning that way before Zag's confession as I know mole was. At this point, the most consistant pattern is Quailman and myself have been voting together after day 1 with either Sofis or mole joining us. Another interesting thing is Alfie is most often not voting for who is lynched and was voting with Zag this time.

Day 5:

Internet Stranger: 4 (Elayne, Alfie, Sofis, Quailman)
Sofis: 1 (Internet Stranger)

Not Voting: 2 (mole, Mackay)

All people voting for IS are still alive. Mackey stated that IS was at the top of her list. Will need to check if mole said something similar. This seemed to be unanamous day. Not sure if it tell us anything.

Thoughts?

[Quailman]

I think I've been really busy with a remodelling project this last week+. I will be away from Thursday through Monday. I promise to catch up and try to make a decision by tomorrow.

[Sofis]

[Elayne]

Wow either you all had a horrible week at work that ate all of your time like I had, or you are scum. Or both!

So, to my long delayed Day 4 review. Zag is the first poster, and in retrospect, attempts to start a bandwagon for the innocent person he knows is ripe for a fall having put a sudden hammer on DP. Let's see how the notion is taken by everyone left alive.

I don't vote . Alfie posts next and jumps on board. Quailman doesn't want to rush. Mole shows up a bit later, declares himself to not be mafia and doesn't vote. Zag's scum-o-meter makes its reappearence. Mackey votes Zag, Mole votes Zag. I vote Zag. Sofis shows up and says he finds Zag suspicious but not as much as IS. Sofis votes IS.

At this point it is 3 votes for IS, 3 votes for Zag

Mole unvotes Zag saying he doesn't want the day to go to fast. Alfie posts again and agrees with Sofis, and sticks with IS. Lots and lots of posts follow which I mostly skimmed past looking for Quailman to reappear. Quailman makes his first real post and votes Zag. Mole states his vote will go to Zag after last questions. Alfie states again he thinks lynching Zag is the wrong move. Antrax votes Zag, Zag confesses, Sofis places the final vote.

So if Zag had agreement from his partner(s?) to try to bandwagon IS, it would have to be either be Alfie or Sofis trying to help him. If there are only two mafia, I don't know if they would have stuck together.

[mole]

Yeah my week was pretty terrible too.

Elayne: I agree with that analysis. I know that yesterday I said I thought Alfie was someone who had genuinely caught a scum, but now we know that he and Sofis both argued for lynching a townie (IS) instead of a mafia (Zag). I'm a bit worried that he's gone quiet now.

On Day 3, Alfie was the only one to post even a half-decent reasoning for voting Sofis. But when that bandwagon got to four votes (Zag was one of them) he jumped off.

[mith]

Deadline extended to one week from this post.

[Alfie]

Between the thread being pretty quiet and work picking up a bit, I haven't really had much to contribute.

And yes, mole, I genuinely thought I'd caught a scum. In my defense, though, I was arguing for lynching them both, just in the reverse order.

And I'm not sure where my Sofis argument stands. A fair portion of it hinged on IS's 'obvious' guilt, but I was clearly wrong there. I still can't shake the feeling that he's scum, though. Not all of my reasoning hinged on IS.

The Day 4 analysis is also interesting. Although neither mole nor I voted for Zag, we both indicated an intention to vote for him when the day had run its course. (Posts 540 and 541. In fact, it was the combination of mole's vote and my analysis that 'tricked' him into confessing. (Not that I can take credit for that, I was just analyzing things as they stood.)) Sofis' vote came after the confession, so it could have been cheap trick for townie points. But of course, since it is what a townie would do, we can't really draw much from it. Sofis was the only one not on board with the Zag kill when he confessed. Whatever that means.

As for a mass name claim, I'm mildly against, since I think it will lead us on a wild speculation game. So far, names have told us nothing. There's no reason to think that they'll tell us anything in the future. But I'll claim if everybody else is doing it. I'm mildly for role claiming, since it is relevant to the game and shouldn't really hurt it at this point.

[mith]

Deadline: Approximately 5 days from this post.

[Sofis]

Argh. Thesis writing.

So we're pretty much going to have to lynch someone soon. I'm leaning towards Quailman, with Alfie as second. Mainly because, as I mentioned in a post above, I think Elayne seems innocent due to speaking out against Zag early, and because mole just seems generally innocent (which is a terrible reason, so feel free to try to talk me out of it).

[mith]

Deadline: Approximately 3 days from this post.

[Quailman]

Without repeating everything that's been said already, Alfie and Sofis are at the top of my list. I am leaning toward Sofis for his hammer on the already-confessed Zag in order to prevent anything incriminating beine revealed. Also, he just placed me at the top of his list. That's enough for a

vote: Sofis

If Sofis has a partner, it's Alfie, who has conspicuously not voted for lynching Amb or DP. Amb in particular appeared scummy. Alfie is second after Sofis, in spite of Sofis placing him second on his list. Alfie looks scummy, so Sofis has to mention him, but he's placed me, a confessed townie, ahead of him. WTF!

I like the way some of you are citing innocent people who are now dead but who ranked you less suspicious before their demise.

[Alfie]

Aye, the day is now running short. I'll trust my instincts on this one, I suppose. Not that much of my reasoning for Sofis relied on IS. I think he's the most probable scum.

Vote: Sofis

[Elayne]

Alright let's try it.

Vote: Sofis

[mith]

"Hey, guys? We should lynch someone soon, there's not many hours of daylight left..."

"Ok. Let's lynch you."

"That's not what I... hey, wait, what the... eck..."

In a blink of an eye, "Sofis" is strung up.

"Checkmate."

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What will happen next? Will Paladin and The Master use the momentum of the MeatWorld Murders to take over the Grey Labyrinth as its citizens cower in fear? Will they resort to threats of manatee torture to subdue any resistance? Will they ever work out who the actual leader of K.A.K.A.P.O. is? Will they get bored with ruling the world and take up a new hobby?

Too bad you're all dead, or you might find out.

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Sofis (borschevsky, Innocent) has been lynched. mole (wordcross, Innocent) and Quailman (Mercuria, Innocent) have been murdered. K.A.K.A.P.O. wins!

[mith]

Role PMs:


Name: "PADIA" (Paladin)
Alignment: K.A.K.A.P.O. (with Elayne and Courk)
Background: In the ever more distant past, you were Paladin: A symbol of all things good and just in the Labyrinth.

Now? A disfigured, mangled shell of your former self, bent on destruction and revenge against those who have wronged you in no way other than their existence being a perpetual reminder of what you once were.

What caused your turn to the dark side? Was it the "accident" which prompted your change of name? Was it the death of the love of your life, Amy? Or was the "GL Serial Killer" more than just a game? No one, not even you, will ever know for sure.

You've recruited two lackeys to assist you in your plans (the poor fools believe the hierarchy is reversed), and the time to destroy what you once defended has come.
Group Ability: Each night, one member of K.A.K.A.P.O. may kill one other player. You may communicate during Day 1 and during all Nights by PM or using this quicktopic.
Additional Information: Amy is not a role in this game.
Win Condition: You win when all the Innocents are dead.


Name: The Master
Alignment: K.A.K.A.P.O. (with Courk and Alfie)
Background: Ten long years have passed since you first positioned yourself as the Labyrinth's most feared villain.

Ah, to be young again. In those days, you were brash and confident, murdering innocent after innocent and getting away with it despite announcing your intentions on your arrival. But since that triumph... well, perhaps it was all too easy, and you lost the taste for blood.

Now? Now, no one remembers, and that is all the motivation you need. You have converted two others to your cause (they probably even think it was their idea), and the time has come to make the Labyrinth - nay, the world - remember your name.
Group Ability: Each night, one member of K.A.K.A.P.O. may kill one other player.
Additional Information: Your role has the latest registration date of any role in the game; each role has at least 200 posts to his or her username. The majority of Innocent role PMs are identical to the sample role PM (other than the role name). Innocent roles with abilities beyond the vote have a short background related in some way to their role name.
Win Condition: You win when all the Innocents are dead.


Role Name: Murray
Alignment: K.A.K.A.P.O (with Alfie and Elayne)
Background: You were a part of the Labyrinth at the very beginning. To you, the "old forum" doesn't mean UBB. You unlocked secrets that few remember ever existed.

Now? You're just a name near the top of the of the Wall of Members. The third name. Some joker wrote his name above even the Minotaur's. In crayon. Well, you showed him. He's dead, and they'll never find the body. And what you have planned for the rest of them...

You've manipulated events for years, biding your time, waiting until your two followers were ready (so carefully molded by your psychological skills that they are unaware of your hand in their design, and each thinks himself the real leader of the group). They're ready. And so are you.
Group Ability: Each night, one member of K.A.K.A.P.O. may kill one other player. You may communicate during Day 1 and during all Nights by PM or using this quicktopic.
Additional Information: groza528 is not a role in this game.
Win Condition: You win when all the Innocents are dead.


Name: Griffin
Alignment: Innocent
Background: Heart of a lion, eyes of an eagle. You're on the lookout for clues.
Ability: Once during the game (at night) you may PM the name of a living player. You will discover whether that player is "Innocent" or "Not Innocent".
Win Condition: You win when all the threats to the Innocent are dead.


Name: AcidFast
Alignment: Innocent
Background: Your mission: Protect the innocent as best you can, while trying to not get too distracted by those who try to lick your face.
Ability: Each night, you may target one player. If that player is the target of a nightkill, you will jump in front of the bullet and die in their place.
Win Condition: You win when all the threats to the Innocent are dead.


Quicktopic for the Dead

[Quailman]

bah! My foult for casting the vote that let them win. Good job, mafia.

That was tough with no cops (except a one-shot one).

[Elayne]

I thought that the town might win because of day 1. Note my role did NOT have a link to the quicktopic so I didn't have a way to get Alfie to back down without doing what I did. When Mackey came on as a replacement, I thought that she might have blown it for us.

Good game all.

[Mackay]

Congrats mafia

At the risk of sounding conceited, I also thought I'd blown it for the mafia! Then it turned out that this awesome conspiracy/secret behind the scenes handshake I thought was going on... wasn't!

Quail, when you posted, after Zag's claim, that you wondered "what [Murray] had been up to", were you hinting that you were also conscious of his sabotaging himself by adding extra flavour text to his claim instead of the standard text? I took your phrasing as a huge breadcrumb/wink, responded with a post that contained "How should I know?" but it was way too subtle and the post made you suspicious of me. Wrote another post addressed to you with the phrase "you should visit more", and you got even more suspicious of me! Hence my declaration of you as a likely innocent, followed by a slow withdrawal of that faith

I absolutely would have lynched IS even if he had claimed, as I was convinced by his reaction to Zag's claim that there was no way he could be a vanilla townie. mole's reaction to Zag's claim (and IS' reaction to it, the thing that did us in IMO) was obvious and townie-like. On the other hand, Elayne and Alfie both said things like "it's too elaborate", "I don't think anyone else noticed anything I didn't", "Zag's claim is the least suspicious part of his behaviour" - these aren't verbatim, but the latter two are what sealed Alfie's guilt in my mind. They couldn't say "Zag's flavour text is wrong", even though they probably suspected it - because they didn't know for sure.

I was about to come out and say all of this as soon as Sofis answered my final question before my death - that's why I asked him to be explicit about what he thought was wrong with Zag's claim or however I framed the question. I was a bit worried that the little incident with Hy's talking about role PM text being in the opening post would turn him off considering it evidence in this case, though. Either way, I never got to find out - IS got hammered and I died. Bah!

So yeah, I'm a bit of a sore loser this game because thanks to Zag's wonky claim I had it busted open and was one post away from saying so! But in all honesty, I feel the mafia deserved the win this game. Very well played, and it would have been a shame for you to be defeated due to a funky role claim/semi-metagame reasons. Not that I wasn't prepared to exploit those reasons to the best of my ability

One last thing: am I allowed to gloat even though I lost? Because whose first post fingered Elayne and Alfie right off the bat? Awww yeah, I totally rule.

[mith]

Elayne: Sorry about the quicktopic thing, guess I skipped over it when copy/pasting.

One thing that hurt the Mafia was that they never fully shared the information I had given them - I don't know if Elayne just missed the part about the townie roles, or if she forgot to include it in the quicktopic when she posted her other information, but Zag didn't know the townie role PMs were all the same.

Town was really hurt by fmb refusing to claim, and some lapses in participation...

Mackay pretty much rocked this game; always sucks for the Mafia when an inactive townie gets replaced by someone who figures the game out in her first post. (And props to Antrax for keeping her alive an extra day.)

[Zag]

Go Team!!

I have to say that Mackay was the real monkey wrench in the game for us Mafiosos. We ended the second night with no one really having any decent suspicions, and we could just have lain low and let Internet Stranger self-destruct, and leave the town baffled. Then Mackay, with her first post, identified Elayne and Alfie as doing some suspicious distancing on the very first page, and she stuck with that.

I decided to go a little overboard in the hopes of derailing that idea and giving time to night-kill Mackay before that whole approach was too closely associated with her. I had really expected (hoped) that IS would go before I did, but I had no illusions that I would last beyond the day after that.

Anyway, it was a great game -- the first Mafia game I was in that was more than 9 people. Congrats to my scum buddies for the victory, and congrats to Mackay for her perspicacity.

[Elayne]

Mith, I am not sure we had any way of realizing the mafia didn't all have the same information until we started talking about role names. I was hesitant to even do so at first, cause of the whole not sharing mod pm things. I hadn't played in so long, I wasn't sure if that rule did or didn't apply to the mafia. Maybe something that needs to be made clear in the future. In any case since I didn't start talking in the thread until night 2 (got the link late night 1) it put us behind. Thankfully we pulled it out anyways.

BTW for those wondering, yes I was deliberately trying to kill of the active, vocal players. I was treating it like survivor, you want to be left with people you think you can influence or at least won't be actively influencing people against you.

If Alfie was lynched, I think I would have left Sofis alive and killed either Quailman or mole. I was going to use the fact that when Sofis unvoted for fmb at the end of day 1, he refused to vote for the person with the next highest total, Alfie, his fellow scum.

Also, I seeded who I was going to claim back on day 3. When I chose to say I was clueless about what amb was thinking, well somewhat. I don't think anyone saw it.