Johnny Depp Mafia: [Game Over]

[Mackay]

Also, it's kinda lame to say you're not taking a stance till everyone else does.

[Mackay]

Triple post! I'm assembling some more stuff and saw this:

[Chaz]

I've already said why I'm suspicious of Quail; he's not talking, and that's a great way for scum to play--plus I'm not particularly fond of people who aren't active players.

I've already explained why I followed your lead on voting for Krad, and I've explained why I think you're wrong about him. It's completely plausible that he (not knowing how I am) might draw the conclusion that I'm scum based on my day one actions. "Fair enough."

I've taken a very firm stance, but I'm just not going to reveal what that stance is until I see more info from Quail (and possibly rm, though I'm not sold on that yet.) It will be evident that I've taken a stance for a good portion of the thread (though, admittedly a far-fetched stance.) Quail and rm haven't posted anything we can hold them to yet. That's not helpful when we're trying to analyze the posts later, so it feels scummy to me.

I honestly can't tell (at this point) whether you're defending Quail, or distancing from Zag, but it's starting to seem to me that you've accepted your fate as "lynched" (fwiw.)

My vote (and stance) remain for now. I still want to hear what Quailman meant by this:

[Dragon Phoenix]

Apologies. Sent off my wife to Shanghai yesterday and spent 2 hours just now trying to get an internet call with her going via msn. After we gave up, I had to do a system restore to last week to fix the problem. Too tired now, will be available to spend time on this game Wednesday.
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[Zag]

[ralphmerridew]

Sorry for abruptly dropping off the internet. My computer died abruptly a few nights ago; I'm posting from the library right now. I'll probably be limited in my ability to read and post for a few days until the replacement arrives. (If I get replaced, I understand.)

Right now my main suspects are Chaz, KradDrol, and Sab. Chaz is setting off my scum-o-meter with his push for a mass role claim, and I've explained why I think that's a bad idea. (For those who've figured out the theme, are there any thematic roles that would fit with the doc ability? There are certainly thematic roles that fit with cop ability.) I think he's been trying to derail the KradDrol bandwagon.

How experienced are sab, KradDrol, Chaz, and Silverfire?

[Zag]

I don't know if there are better choices, but Gilbert Grape doesn't seem to be a terrible choice as a doc. From the IMDB page (merging two blurbs on it), "Gilbert has care for his brother Arnie [who has a severe mental condition] and his [morbidly] obese mother, ...", I assume that he is a care-giver in a medical sense as well as a bread-winner sense.

[Amb]

Deadline is currently 8 days from this post.

Vote count
2. Kraddrol: Mackay, Zag
1. Chaz: Quailman
1. Quailman: Chaz

Not Voting: Dragon Phoenix, Kraddrol, MNOWAX, ralphmerridew, SAbLLimiNal, Silverfire, Undercover Monk

ralphmerridew, if you feel you need to be replaced, feel free to let me know. If in fact you are able to.

Bump PM's may be going out to any player who isn't voting due to the drop in activity.

[sAbLLimINal]

Sorry I've been really busy, hopefully I'll get all caught up on this day soon.

[KradDrol]

I'm really sorry guys, but we've moved into the semifinals of the moot competition.

Amb, I don't normally like doing this, and it's especially bad since this is my first game back after an extended absence, but it really does seem like I overestimated my available time. It's not right for everyone else, and not right for the game, so please replace me.

Again, sorry about this guys, I was really looking forward to being able to play again, and then life just threw this curveball at me. Again.

[Amb]

I'm inviting Raekuul to take your seat, otherwise any player. At day end if no replacement is found, the role will be modkilled. Because of this, extensions may be granted, but the chat has to merit it.


Amb

[Zag]

Welcome, raekuul. Unfortunately, you are already in a pretty deep hole dug by your predecessor, probably because he is (that is, "you are") scum buddies with Chaz. Feel free, though, to try to convince us otherwise.

[raekuul]

Zag, I'm used to being in pretty deep crap in Mafia games.

[Mackay]

I'm honestly not finding Chaz all that scummy - just obnoxious and tiresome (it was endearing at first, but I think it's pretty clear where in the thread I got sick of it). He has volunteered enough information that I think he would have probably been caught out by now. Krad's behaviour toward him made it a possibility, and one which I was giving pretty decent weight until recently, but the "yucky feeling" I mentioned has only increased.

Krad's link with sAb seemed like a thing, whereas the link between sAb and you (Zag) seemed too obvious/clumsy to me to be for real. But I keep getting this horrible feeling that you're subtly trying to undermine anyone who turns the focus onto either of them - even now that you have joined me in voting for Krad/raekuul (welcome raekuul! Sorry about trying to lynch you, but... yeah. I'm not gonna stop ) you are specifically pushing a connection between him and Chaz, which is only a small part of what has been wrong with Krad. It seems like there's a lot of attempted misdirection going on on your part, and if Krad turns out to be a baddie I'm going to try to get you killed, too. Sorry (If it's any consolation, I lack Chaz' stated superpower of being able to lynch people all on my own!)

[raekuul]

Thanks Mackay. I'm glad to be here (even if it is probably only for the rest of the day).

Now, I've only done a quick re-read of the thread (I was sort-of keeping up with it while the game was going. I don't really remember the wording of Snic's copyclaim, either, so don't hold me to that), but I have to agree with Mackay about Zag. I don't think Chaz is all that scummy either. You have to remember, I was the last townie lynched in Quick, and the big scumtells about me were how jumpy I was with regards to bandwagons. Well, there was also my "man behind the man" leading that I still don't know how I pulled off, but it did force the cop into leading anyway. Chaz appears to be doing exactly that, only without the backseat leading.

Blah, enough metagaming and pre-thinking. I'll need to spend some time actually reading this thing once I get my role PM.

[Amb]

Role PM sent.

[Zag]

[MNOWAX]

I suno you guys, i really thin that Chaz is scum. Sonce he has claimed he has gotten better in my eyes but something just doesnt seem right though. i dunno. I really want to know why Krad/kuul can be anything but scum. you'd better start talking fast!
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[Zag]

Are you drunk, too?

[Undercover Monk]

sorry guys I just dont have much to say on the matter at the moment and I am super stressed out about papers and such right now. I need to look at the Krad Drol argument and find where I stand.
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[raekuul]

Just a quick aside - I've always seen replacing people in Mafia games as the person about to get lynched saying "Hey, I've got a dentist's appointment at two, is it okay if {randomBystander} takes my place anyway? I swear he's the same as me!"

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MNO, I know you've been out of town this past week. Still, why is it that I'm the obvious lynch?

[Quailman]

I've been doing a reread, but it takes forever. I should be able to post something tomorrow (I know - I've said that before). Even posting this is a PITA on an iPad.

[Chaz]

[Dragon Phoenix]

[MNOWAX]

[Zag]

Interesting point, DP. I think that the first one you made is more telling than the second. It does sound as if sAb, when writing that, already knew that snik was town, even when most of us thought he wasn't. (I didn't vote, but he was high on my suspicion list at the time he self-destructed.)

Based on this evidence, I am adding sAb to my list. He's still below Chaz and Krad/raekuul, probably tied with MNO.

Speaking of MNO, he toned his rhetoric down quite a bit today. Post 298 included some echoes of it, but nothing like the level he had during the first day. I guess I don't have the experience to judge whether or not this change in behavior indicates a scum or not (because I realize that I have no idea), so I'd love to hear others' opinions.

MNO, would you like to explain your complete change in approach?

[MNOWAX]

My main suspect was Chaz, followed by Rae, and sAb. the problem is that i have now nothing that I can point to, especially after he has claimed. Chaz, just feels like scum to me, and there's not much of a point to echo it anymore.

Other than that, I'm interested to see how this sAb thing is rolling, I'm not bought into the fact that he's scum yet, but it is a little suspicious about his backpedaling that DP noted.
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[Amb]

Vote count
2. Raekuul: Mackay, Zag
1. Chaz: Quailman
1. Quailman: Chaz
1. SAbLLimiNal: Dragon Phoenix

Not Voting: Raekuul, MNOWAX, ralphmerridew, SAbLLimiNal, Silverfire, Undercover Monk

Off the top of my head I think it's 6 days to go. Will confirm later. Bump PMs will be going out to all players in 2 days.

[Chaz]

[Quailman]

Not fully done with my recap, but one thing that stands out is that KradDrol and sab seem connected. And everyone accuses them of being scumrades, but no one has considered that they might be masons. I'm not ready to jump to either conclusion, though day 1 I was influenced by those who suggested only an evil connection. Because Chaz has behave scummily, and has called them out, I had to consider an alternate connection, or maybe there's none at all (unlikely).

For several reasons, but mostly the one I stated with my vote, I am keeping it on Chaz.

[Chaz]

Welp. Let me know when you're done with your recap and what conclusions you draw up.

In the mean time, vote stays for the reason I stated with my vote.
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[Chaz]

The following post is mainly for pointing back to later. Sorry if it seems vague and misleading, but I don't want to be accused of coming up with the theories later. For now, you all should just ignore it.

I think it's possible that Mackay might be a serial killer. It fits with my guess of who her character is, and it could explain other events which would otherwise convince me of her innocence. Anyway. Something to consider, and something I'll explain if Quail ever takes a meaningful stance on something (rm and DP still haven't really taken a strong stance either, in my opinion... though DP may have done so, but I'm not yet certain.)
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[Mackay]

I have to admit that, having played in Amb games before where I wasn't aware I had an ability until I took a specific action, I did PM Amb trying to target Krad last night, just in case I was capable of killing! (I have to admit I didn't think "serial killer" as much as "vig", though)

Obviously, it didn't work, so no SK (or vig!) for me. Just thought you might like to know that I actually had the same idea! I assume you're right about my role. Given that we now can access a list of what fits the theme by year (I assume we all know it by now), my year of birth is easy to find, and I've listed various traits of my character as well as my age when the movie came out, I'm sure you're right about who it is. Especially since we both considered the possibility of my being able to kill. =) But it is a very innocent character, so I don't know that an evil alignment is a very sensible conclusion. Anyway, if there's more than one night death at any point I'll address your suspicion with an actual degree of respect.

I don't really have anything to add in terms of actual gameplay, because nobody is saying anything. You all suck. (Chaz still sucks the most, though.)

[Chaz]

I'm waiting on Quail, and I think you're all dumb asses for not voting for him right now.

On a related note, I can't believe you haven't seen the movie your char is from. Do so. It's one of the greatest movies ever made. Seriously.
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[Zag]

Once again, Chaz says something that just sounds scummy to me. I wish I could put my finger on what is wrong with the way he called us "dumb asses" but it just strikes me as phony, as if he is laughing up his sleeve as he says it.

Anyway, I joined Mackay voting for Krad because he was a strong #2 on my list, and I thought lynching him would be a positive thing, not because I had become any less suspicious of Chaz. I find myself inclined (though I know it is not especially reasonable) to cut raekuul some slack since he is the new guy taking over the part. So I'm switching my vote back. I think we have a better chance of lynching Chaz, anyway, and I feel a little more sure about him. (I'm not positive about either, but I strongly suspect that they are both guilty.)

unvote Krad-kuul. vote Chaz.

[Quailman]

I still don't understand your logic in voting for me to begin with. I am still quite suspicious of Chaz since he requested that a cop investigate me last night. There are several possibilities.

If a scum made that request and the cop followed it, his whole team is safe from investigation that night, because the scum would have named a good guy. You could always claim later "he was most suspicious to me".

If a townie made the request and the cop followed it, he might or might not find scum. Assuming that he finds a bad guy, he would likely find a reason (agreeing with Chaz) to vote for him the next morning. Since no one else has voted for me, I think we can conclude that a cop either investigated me and found that I am not scum, or that he did not follow Chaz's advice.

When the cop (I am hoping we have one - the last game I was in only had a one-shot cop) saw your request, hopefully he would have suspected the former (that it was coming from a scum) and investigated you instead. Since no one else is coming out to vote for you, I can only assume that if he did investigate you, he got an innocent result. That would mean you are either a confused townie who thinks I am innocent or a GF who is immune to investigation, and had no concern if the cop turned the table and checked you.

You might just be a misguided townie, and I perhaps I should return to my original suspicions about KradDrol/raekuul. KradDrol's "misinterpretation" of the replace-or-modkill post may have been just that, but combined with his apparent defense of Sab and general evasiveness is suspicious.

Silverfire said "I second Chaz's call for Quailman's theories which depended on Snik's guilt." All I said was that I had some other suspicions, but they could wait until we lynched Snikscum. They had nothing to do with Snik's guilt. I was the first to vote for him, and as it developed, I couldn't pick out anyone who might be connected with him. My initial suspicions included the link between KradDrol and Sab, and the fact that some were assuming it to be a scumlink rather than a possible masonlink. It could be either, but it looks obvious. Also, Chaz's aggressiveness on day one had me concerned, but at least he never voted for the mod.

As for a Chaz-Mackay link, he did seem to be sort of following her early on day 1. Mackay voted for him early, a possible distancing vote? But then Mackay said this: "Also, he says he's vanilla, so we know he isn't a pro-town power role (but may well still be mafia). " Blind acceptance of his vanillaness is pretty scummy in itself. If their scumrades, Mackay had to add that last bit (but may well still be mafia).

I prefer to stick with Chaz.

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

Er... investigate you rather.
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[Quailman]

Wow! That's what I get for not rereading my own posts. Should I go ahead and quote my role PM now to get it over with?

The only dependecy I had in my notes from day 1 was KradDrol/Sab being NOT connected to Snik, so if he was scum, they were probably masons. I already pointed out that no one mentioned that possibility. In a game this size, I wouldn't be surprised to see masons. Especially since Chaz (and probably Mackay) are scum. If I'm wrong in that regard, then yeah, they're scum, but I think I'm right.

[Chaz]