Johnny Depp Mafia: [Game Over]

[Chaz]

So Mackay, Zag, and rm, are you seriously claiming that you don't think even one of the three or four mafia could have deciphered Zag's role? Mackay did, and I did. It wasn't even hard to do. How could open revelation possibly be harmful to town, when mafia probably already knew his role anyway?
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[Zag]

Actually, Mackay only said that deciphered that you thought I was cop, because of your constant yammering. And, as I've said a dozen times, now, the only reason I put out any hints that I was cop was because of your cop-sniffing and role-sniffing, and mostly all I ever said was, "stop cop-sniffing and role-sniffing." Unfortunately, I knew that I had possibly tipped off the mafia and I wouldn't survive night 2, so I had to make sure that I told the town I had found Mackay innocent. Then, of course, you blabbed it all over, like a scum or a moron, I still haven't figured out which, PLUS you kept at your role-sniffing.

Just so you don't feel like I'm ignoring what are, now doubt, the many questions you've directed at me, I have to say that your note at the top of this page is the only one of the past bunch of yours that I read. And that was only because it was at the top of the page and I read it before I realized what a mistake I was making. If you're wondering why I'm not responding to any of the other drivel you've posted, it's because I'm not reading it. Oh, wait. I guess that means that I AM ignoring your questions, or maybe just you.

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I've been working out possible scenarios in which I'm still alive tomorrow morning. If the scum have a role-blocker, then they might decide to let me live another day. They also would if they knew I were really an insane cop of some sort, but they could only know that if Mackay is really guilty, and I seriously doubt that. With our doc gone, I don't see that they have any reason to target someone else, and they'd be crazy to leave both Mackay and me alive to act as a voting block.

I'm so frustrated that we can't lynch Chaz today. If he had actually been the first person to work out the theme, it wouldn't be so annoying, but I doubt he was any better than fourth. By the time he actually said it, I doubt there was anyone at all left who didn't know it. I know that the innocent among us were reluctant to say it only on the off chance that the scum had a different theme.

Is that an original idea with Amb -- that the theme is secret and the first one to say it gets immunity or some other benefit?

[Amb]

48 hours from this post

Vote count
5. Raekuul: Zag, Mackay, Dragon Phoenix, Sniklac16, Undercover Monk
4. Sniklac16: MNOWAX, Quailman, ralphmerridew, Silverfire
1. Quailman: Chaz
1. MNOWAX: Raekuul

Chaz cannot be lynched today.

[MNOWAX]

DROP THA HAMMAH!!!!!


Unvote, Vote: Raekuul

Chaz, you're next. Snik you are swinging RIGHT after him.
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[Chaz]

Seriously Zag? You're already coming up with excuses for living through the night, when we haven't even gone to night yet?

I feel pretty confident about Zag and Silverfire actually being mafia.

Quail seems attached to DP, but DP doesn't seem to be returning the sentiment. He also seems connected to Mackay, but only because of the meta-gaming introduced by Sentran.

rm seems scummy, but he's not really linked to anyone.

Zag has linked himself tightly to Mackay, but she doesn't seem to reciprocative.

Silver is linked up to Quail a bit, and he's returned the sentiment in an obscure (her name is actually) kind of way.

MNO, Snik, and rae (formerly Krad) are connected, but that could be unrelated to this game.

If forced to guess, right now, I'd say Zag, Quail, rm, and Silverfire are the scum team.
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[Zag]

So, besides being ignorant about how to play the game, you're ignorant about the rules, too? Day is over; stop talking. (Oh yeah, and you're an idiot. Mackay has linked herself to me at least 3 times that I can remember.)

[Chaz]

I was in the midsts of typing that message, and had submitted it before I saw the vote. Amb, feel free to delete it and this message.
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[Undercover Monk]

its technically only over when Amb posts and locks the thread. Anyway as we are going to night I should tell you guys I am currently heading for vacation and will most likely be off for the next week. If I can get on my vote will be going to Chaz. But dont expect a lot from me till next saturday, as I will be on a cruise in the Carribean

I promise when I return to be more helpful.
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3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Chaz]

Oh. Well, in that case.

Is anyone else reminded of Zag's behavior in mith's game after the first lynching when he was telling everyone to stop talking 'cuz it's night?


Also. You're all idiots, etc.
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[Chaz]

Found it! Post 287 in reunion mafia. Right after his scumbuddy hammered Amb.

If Snik is innocent, and Zag is alive tomorrow, only the mentally retarded wouldn't lynch him.
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[Chaz]

Oh. I meant if rae is innocent. Heh. If rae is innocent, then I predict Mackay will die tonight (supporting Zag's cop claim) and I will be lynched tomorrow.

(because you're all mentally retarded.)
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[raekuul]

And if I'm not?

[Chaz]

Huh. You know. hadn't thought of that.

Silverfire for sure. The other "for sure" is either Quail, or rm (I honestly can't tell which.)

The last (if there are four, would be MNO, (quail or rm), and maybe (mackay or Zag.)

Monk is as unreadable as I am.
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[Chaz]

That is to say...

If rae is scum...

then Silverfire is, for sure, scum. She revealed herself when she tried to link me to Sentran.

Either Quail, or rm are also scum. For sure.

This is because they're the ones not voting for rae.

If there's a fourth mafia, then the fourth would be one of the following (and I think it would become evident quickly)
The other of rm/quail. MNO. And possibly Zag or Mackay.
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[Chaz]

Oh. Duh. And myself of course. Actually, I would fully support a lynch of me tomorrow if not for the chance that there might be a fourth mafia. As is, I know I'm a townie, so I can't advocate such a thing with good conscience.
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[Chaz]

Oh, wait again. If rae is scum, then losing me tomorrow won't be detrimental. So, if rae is scum, then I'll go out tomorrow with my own vote and a smile on my face that we know who the other scum are.

I think I'll still "win" the game as townie, even if I'm dead, provided you idiots listen to me and lynch Silverfire, then decide which of Quail/rm you want dead.
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[Amb]

Night falls

Im going to double check the vote count, and if lynched, then will post the death scene shortly.

[Amb]

Raekuul's body lay on the ground. A quick search of his body finds blood spatter on his shirt. Dried blood. And a membership card for the "Public Enemies" mafia group.

You have lynched John Dillinger, Mafia

It is now night. Night will last 72 hours.

This also marks the end of Chaz's lynch immunity.

[Sniklac16]

AMB: Night post deleted.
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[Amb]

Le sigh. I don't really have to lock the thread at night do I? I don't really want to modkill you a second time for breaking the rules....

[Amb]

Approx 24 hours

[Amb]

The sun was up and the chairs were put away. Who was missing? Anyone? There was one.

Zag, Ichabod Crane, Cop was beheaded overnight.

There are 9 alive. It will take just 5 to lynch.

[Amb]

For some reason when I try to unlock the thread, it stays locked...

Help

Edit: I cleared my IE cache, and tried again. Worked no problem. Phew.

Good luck all for the day.

[Zag]

Bye, all. Good luck, town.

That was cold, Amb, to send me the result of my investigation, making me think that I was still in it. But dead men don't wear plaid, or something like that.

[Chaz]

It occurred to me, during the night phase, that all of my logic is dependent upon my innocence. I was seriously worried that Snik was going to be killed, and then we'd lose for sure, but, now that we have an extra townie, I will sacrifice myself to see town win.

Vote: Chaz

Remember... Kill Silverfire first. She is scum, and she made this evident when she subtly hinted in this post:

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

Trying to figure out what about rm figuring out the theme first, I ran into this little nugget.

[Chaz]

Now I am curious though... could we have deduced Sentran's role from his posts? If we can, then my entire line of reasoning on who is mafia is flawed... so be aware of this before you blindly follow me.

I went back to see if there is any way someone could have deduced Sentran's role, and I couldn't find a way. I concluded that mafia was trying to frame me. If there is a way to deduce Sentran's role, then all of my conclusions are probably wrong.
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[Quailman]

Nce ploy, Chaz. it won't work.

vote: Chaz

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

What's really bizarre is that my theory will still stand until another townie (who's role isn't based on an Author) is killed. For the record, I no longer support my theory at all, since I believe that Snik is a townie, and I watched the movie to make sure his character wasn't based on an author/writer.
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[Sniklac16]

I agree with quailman nice try chaz but you're goin down vote chaz
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[Chaz]

I agree with Quail too. Like I said, I thought you guys were being idiots, but I was actually being the idiot. All of my theories rely on me being innocent.

Anyone who doesn't listen to me after my innocence is proven, however, *is* an idiot.
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[Chaz]

Also, Snik, who apparently doesn't bother to read the rules even after being mod-killed, is an idiot.

I mean seriously Snik... what the hell was that? What did you post anyway?
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[Sniklac16]

Its not important, dont you think if i didnt have a talk with Amb that id still be here? So obviously I had a good reason
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[Chaz]

I'm not entirely sure what you just said, but I'm certain that I disagree.
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[Chaz]

By the way... what did you post (it's fine to repost it, you just can't post it at night, since it could effect the daytime when you might be dead.)

A perfect example would be if Zag posted his results before the sun came up (though I'm pretty sure Zag broke the rules just by posting to say good-bye, but "effect the game" is left open to interpretation.)
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[Amb]

In regards to Zag's post, I didnt think it exceeded any boundaries. Plus what was I going to do Modkill him?

[Chaz]

I agree. I'm just spelling it out in no uncertain terms for the player who seems to have a problem understanding the rules.

Snik: Posting after you're dead is against the rules, jsyk.
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[Mackay]

While we were in night, I wrote myself a list ordering everyone from scummiest to least scummy:

• Sniklac16: The most damning evidence against Snik, in my mind, is that when he and raekuul were the leading bandwagons, he took his vote off raekuul and moved it elsewhere, making them tied in votes. I guess it *could* just be that he didn't realise how much danger he was in, but to me it just looks like he didn't want to be voting raekuul.
  
• MNOWAX: Did not want to be voting for raekuul, but tried to look as though he wanted to be voting for raekuul. The actions are of a person who knew raek was guilty but didn't want to lynch him. Made posts that were inconsistent and wildly contradictory.
  
• Silverfire: Has lurked all game, to promptly reappear when her lurking was mentioned. This is textbook lurkerscum behaviour.
  
• Chaz: There are really strong arguments both for and against Chaz. "For" includes pretty much everything he's done in game-yesterday. Sniffing around for information, revealing two roles that hadn't been disclosed, becoming increasingly hostile and self-contradictory. Snik, a person who is heavily under suspicion, suddenly changed his tune about him then tried to soften it when it called suspicion on the both of them. Actually threatened the town when they went to lynch raekuul.
  "Against": he claimed early and accurately (the mafia could have safe claims, but still). Most of the rest is pretty much stuff from day 1. At first I thought KradDrol's FOS on him could be a distancing tactic, but Krad continually pushed the idea that Chaz was "following [me] around like a lost puppy" or something to that effect, trying to tie us together. Given the rest of his play, I don't credit Krad with the skill to pull something like that on a scumbuddy without giving himself away - it looked as though he was floundering and trying to cast suspicion on both of us, not brilliantly trying to link his buddy to an innocent.
  
• Quailman: Every single action he has taken this game - every post, every vote, every expression of suspicion - has been 100% safe. That makes me very, very, very uncomfortable with him, but I don't think there's much actual evidence of any linking or anything "scummy" that has been said.
  
• Undercover Monk: came out of the woodwork to attempt to form a bandwagon on MNOWAX. Not horribly bad, as MNO was being super-evil, but he appeared *just* as a wagon was starting to form on confirmed scum raekuul, so something to keep in mind. I'm willing to look pretty generously on this as I think MNOWAX is probably a scummy scum scum.
  
• ralphmerridew: Not on my radar at all. Um, he helped me figure out the Depp theme when I had no idea how to link Scissorhands to Kerouac.
  
• Dragon Phoenix: I haven't been particularly suspicious of DP. He and I have agreed on a large amount - if he is scum, he's playing the "follow-a-probable-townie" game, and he is doing it with a great deal of skill and subtlety, as I haven't felt as though he was following me, and he has offered some strong insights that I would never have noticed. I think it is more likely that we are just having similar suspicions.
  
• Zag: has claimed cop, and for now I believe him.
  
• Mackay: cleared by claimed cop. Also, me.

This was NOT based on a re-read of the thread, so there might be errors in my memory. I'm going to do one after I finish this post, though I hope y'all forgive me if I don't give a tedious post-by-post breakdown of the entire thread shaded with my own running commentary.

Things from today so far:
I don't understand Chaz' self-vote at all. It seems like a completely ridiculous thing to do as town or mafia, because you HAVE to know that everyone's going to pile on. Chaz, in what way do you feel your death will help the town that your being alive doesn't?
Snik's being all "let's get 'im, guys!" toward Chaz makes me more okay with him being at the top of my list.
Quail, you have said "nice ploy" to Chaz, but I don't get it. What is the ploy? Is it "look innocent by voting myself"? Because I'm pretty sure that one never works. (That doesn't mean he isn't trying it, I'm just wondering if there's an explanation that makes Chaz look less stupid.)

vote: Sniklac16 for now.