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Chaz
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 Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:04 am Post subject: 521 |
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Mackay, my innocence will damn SIlverfire (and to a much lesser extent rm.)
Well, at least it does in my mind. If I had been paying closer attention, I probably would have noticed the "Chaz killed Sentran" link earlier when rm tried it (much more subtly than Silverfire did.)
But, as it stands, without knowing that I'm innocent, I could just be trying to get one extra lynch before I'm killed. If I'm dead then my role is revealed, absolving Snik, and damming Silverfire and rm. If there is a fourth mafia, then it would almost have to be you or Quail.
Though, your point about DP is a good one. He's certainly brilliant enough to pull it off. If you are the fourth mafia (and after your last post, I'm starting to wonder), then you're a lot more brilliant than I've given you credit for. 
The most brilliantly played game (right now) would be if you and I were both mafia (especially in light of Krad intentionally tying us together.) How fucking awesome would that have been?
Anyway. Lynch me, and you should begin to see how my innocence makes everything more obvious. I am extra curious who mafia will kill tonight though. Honestly, I think it's in town's best interest to just kill me without giving them more info on who they should be killing at night.
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:08 am Post subject: 522 |
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| Sorry, I'm sure I've just missed this, but how does it absolve Snik if you're innocent? I'm perfectly happy to switch to MNO or someone if it makes sense (but probably not rm. Maybe after I reread). |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:26 am Post subject: 523 |
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What's the most suspicious thing about Snik right now?
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:28 am Post subject: 524 |
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- Sniklac16: The most damning evidence against Snik, in my mind, is that when he and raekuul were the leading bandwagons, he took his vote off raekuul and moved it elsewhere, making them tied in votes. I guess it *could* just be that he didn't realise how much danger he was in, but to me it just looks like he didn't want to be voting raekuul.
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Sniklac16
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:30 am Post subject: 525 |
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| Sniklac16: The most damning evidence against Snik, in my mind, is that when he and raekuul were the leading bandwagons, he took his vote off raekuul and moved it elsewhere, making them tied in votes. I guess it *could* just be that he didn't realise how much danger he was in, but to me it just looks like he didn't want to be voting raekuul. |
Not bad logic, but you're forgetting one minor thing. The only reason I unvoted raekuul was because I wanted to put a little pressure on silverfire, and as soon as she talked i switched my vote right back to raekuul. I could of unvoted again when he reached L-1, but i didnt because I knew he was scum and wanted him dead
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: 526 |
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Vote: Chaz . need i say more?
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:39 am Post subject: 527 |
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You're kind of proving Mackay's point buddy...
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| I'm going to go back to vote: raekuul for now, because that's where Zag's vote is, and without Zag being evil there is less evidence against sAb, in my opinion. Also, the speed with which the Snik wagon grew compared to the pulling-teeth effort of trying to get votes on raekuul also worries me a bit. It's reminiscent of trying to get Zag instead of IS lynched in the 10-year anniversary game. =) |
That's why not Snik. I think the most suspicious thing about Snik is his buddying up to myself and Zag. Our innocence would absolve him of guilt. (though, admittedly, my guilt would crucify him, I do not worry about that, since I'm town, and all of my motives will be pure when you see that I am, in fact, a townie.) That's why I don't have any suspicion against Snik. He's just a dumb ass.
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: 528 |
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One last thing before I die to Mackay...
Think about who has the most from setting Chaz up as a fall guy, and then read the posts again... if you're actually a pro-town, you should see the reason I'm after Silver and rm's throats. 
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: 529 |
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You knew he was scum?
(a) Do you know what kind of people *know* who the scum are? That's right.
(b) But more seriously, if you *knew* raekuul was scum, why did you take your vote off him in the first place?
(c) Your reasons for voting raekuul were "Oh well I guess for now ill vote raekuul", and afterward, "But since you actually posted which is what i wanted you to do in the first place Ill go back to my original vote unvote silverfire vote raekuul". You exhibited no suspicion of raekuul. Your voting for him is to be expected for self-preservation purposes, but you are now claiming that you *knew* he was scum, despite switching off him the instant that doing so didn't automatically mean your own death. That isn't knowing someone is scum, that is protecting them. Are you lying? Or were you concealing your reasons from us earlier? Or are you just making up motives for yourself because you've been caught?
(d) Despite being able to tie up the bandwagons at various points, raekuul never voted for you, either.
Happy with my vote. |
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Amb
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:43 am Post subject: 530 |
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Vote Count
Chaz 4: Chaz, Quailman, Sniklac16, MNOWAX
Sniklac16 1: Mackay
Not voting: Dragon Phoenix, ralphmerridew, Silverfire, Undercover Monk
5 to lynch. |
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:46 am Post subject: 531 |
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My above post was to Snik.
@Chaz: the strongest/most vehement case I saw against you was from our cop, not from Silver or rm. The most damning evidence against you all came out of your own mouth. You're going to get nowhere calling me anti-town when I have been confirmed innocent by a confirmed cop, especially if your reason for doing so is that I'm not following your theories (which are like 0/50 now or something). I'm the one trying not to lynch you here. If you're pro-town, you should see why that is a move which is beneficial to the town. |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:51 am Post subject: 532 |
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Also, something for everyone else to consider if there is a fourth mafia.(this was directed at Mackay, I think... if not Mackay, then at rm.)
| raekuul wrote: |
| Hmm... Well, let's see here. The reason I haven't been really defending myself is because I came into this with everyone already suspecting me/Krad of being Mafia, and I've been playing the angle of "mafioso that's about to get bussed" pretty much the whole time I've been in. As to my suspicions... I never really was all that suspicious of sAb to begin with, and Snik hasn't really done much of anything to make me worry since he came back in. Chaz, on the other hand, kept pushing for a mass nameclaim. Whether that was to help him tease out the theme of the game or else to legitimately try to corner [ROLE], I don't know. I do not like how he went about it, though. You and Quail have also been fairly vocal, but you've been cleared already and Quail'd probably be voting for Chaz right now too if there wasn't that immunity in the way. I'm actually a little alarmed at how the sAb/Snik wagon formed, though. Can I get some explanations or rationales or whatever? |
The way he says "you've been cleared" is pretty telling. (but keep in mind that he knew Zag's claim was real...)
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: 533 |
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Seriously, Mackay, lynch me and you'll know that my motives are pure. The main reason you're not listening to me is because you think I'm an idiot and that I may well be scum.
If you know I'm innocent, then you'll still think I'm an idiot, but you're wrong about that, and I think, if you dig enough, you'll see that you're wrong and realize just how damn insightful I can be. 
Or I'm a paranoid crazy nut, but it's all really the same in my head.
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:59 am Post subject: 534 |
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Huh. In retrospect, it could well be that I'm just a paranoid nut.
For example, Zag's last post "dead men don't wear plaid" is what started me wondering if Zag had investigated me and was making a reference to my Halloween costume. Paranoid. Though, if Zag's last investigation was on me, I will be convinced that he was trying to speak from the grave. 
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: 535 |
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...what?
If I thought you were scum, I could drop the hammer right now! You're not making any sense - I'm tempted to hammer you anyway just to shut you up
You've done scummy stuff, for sure, but the signals are far more mixed than those of Sniklac or MNOWAX. We're actually on a similar page about Silverfire, though our priorities fall on different reasons, and I'm coming around about Quailman (his latest was one not-as-thought-out-as-usual vote on a completely-safe-and-obvious bandwagon too many, he's moved from "neutral" to "shady" on the scumdar). Why are you suddenly pushing for a quick lynch? Of YOURSELF?
...are you a mafia traitor? =)
I just previewed, and I can say definitively that if Zag's post had hinted at his investigation/result WHATSOEVER, there is NO WAY Amb would have let it stay. So, yes, you're being a paranoid nut. |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:09 am Post subject: 536 |
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Hmph. Maybe.
Well, If that's the case (that I'm just a paranoid nut) then isn't the obvious lynch MNO?
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:11 am Post subject: 537 |
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No. Stop trying to sidetrack me dammit.
Kill me, and read my damn conspiracy theories. Stupid liberal with your touchy feely goodness! (I kinda hope you are scum, because that would have been brilliant.)
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:14 am Post subject: 538 |
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Oh yeah... one thing I forgot to draw attention to earlier...
Did anyone else get the impression that rm was hinting at a cop role? If so, did you wonder how he lived through the first night?
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:20 am Post subject: 539 |
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I do think MNO would be an excellent lynch as well. He and Snik both seemed to be trying to deflect suspicion from/avoid voting/protect raekuul. Hell, you're probably a fine lynch, it's just that we don't need you dead in order to read your damn conspiracy theories.
I still haven't started rereading. I *didn't* get that about rm, but I remember you saying something about it. I was more curious about his "I'm having trouble writing" or something similar. The breadcrumbs it calls to mind are all shady ones. |
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Zag
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:23 am Post subject: 540 |
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| Chaz wrote: |
| Zag's last post "dead men don't wear plaid" is what started me wondering if Zag had investigated me and was making a reference to my Halloween costume. Paranoid. Though, if Zag's last investigation was on me, I will be convinced that he was trying to speak from the grave. |
Don't be. That would be a violation of the rules and I wouldn't do it. I was just making a reference to the Steve Martin movie title, which is a take-off of the phrase "Dead men tell no tales." I really didn't mean anything more by it. |
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Amb
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: 541 |
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| Zag, please don't post anymore until after the game is over please. I'll let that one stand. |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: 542 |
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And that last post pretty much confirms (to my paranoid brain) that Zag did, in fact, investigate me.
Zag, you should take this opportunity to ask yourself why you would do that if you were just going to convince yourself that I was a GF when you got an innocent result. 
And he accuses me of being biased with my theories. Ha! [/dice]
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: 543 |
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Oh... I meant the last Zag post... Amb posted while I was typing on my phone.
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 2:36 am Post subject: 544 |
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Why are you attacking our dead cop?
And putting words in his mouth when you know he can't respond, too. Classy. |
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:06 am Post subject: 545 |
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ok so why AREN"T we hanging Chaz now?
He's spent most of day one blathering about a theory that never came to fruition
Day two he outed the cop
Now today he's trying to put words in the dead cops mouth when he can't respond.
WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE????
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:13 am Post subject: 546 |
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| Amb wrote: |
For some reason when I try to unlock the thread, it stays locked...
Help
Edit: I cleared my IE cache, and tried again. Worked no problem. Phew.
Good luck all for the day. |
[Off topic]Yeah that tends to happen every once in a while. i had a few problems the last time i ran a game here. I would have unlocked it if you still had a problem though, i think UM and I are the only other mods in this forum that aren't admins.[off topic]
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:28 am Post subject: 547 |
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Yes yes, I'm scummy as hell. Lynch me already.
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:37 am Post subject: 548 |
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| MNOWAX wrote: |
ok so why AREN"T we hanging Chaz now?
He's spent most of day one blathering about a theory that never came to fruition
Day two he outed the cop
Now today he's trying to put words in the dead cops mouth when he can't respond.
WHY IS HE STILL ALIVE???? |
The reasons I haven't voted for him are (a) the day has only just started, and (b) I think raekuul, our confirmed scum, is more likely to have been linked to Snik than to Chaz.
I can't speak for anyone else. Honestly it'd pretty much be a mercy killing and he's self-voting anyway, so it's not as though he is interested in actually playing the game anymore. Oops, I'm almost talking myself into hammering him for fun again  |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:57 am Post subject: 549 |
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But you're too chicken?
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 3:58 am Post subject: 550 |
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Thats cool. I am 95% sure we have the entire scum team in Chaz, Rae, and Snik.
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:04 am Post subject: 551 |
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its nice that the scum are committing suicide. Rae basically admitted it, Chaz is voting for himself, and Snik bussed Chaz as well as himself whe nhe returned.
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:11 am Post subject: 552 |
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| Chaz wrote: |
| But you're too chicken? |
Well, taking it to night is pretty much signing my own death warrant. |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:23 am Post subject: 553 |
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Three things you hadn't considered...
- You know my paranoid brain now assumes that you are the fourth mafia, right?
- Isn't it worth swallowing your pride and voting for me just to see MNO proven wrong?
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:25 am Post subject: 554 |
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The real question will be who Mafia will kill tonight... I bet DP just because they know he'll figure it all out (Quail could too, but killing him would kill their biggest competition), or MNO just to make Snik look like scum.
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:27 am Post subject: 555 |
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Well, it's official. I've convinced myself that Silverfire, rm, and Mackay are the remaining three mafia--or I'll be eating my hat when Silver comes up as pro-town. I have nothing more to add until the game ends.
Heh. Won't I be floored when one of them is night killed?
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:29 am Post subject: 556 |
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Honestly, it's taking everything I am to not edit my second to last post and change "they're" to "their." Just the look on MNO's face alone would make it worth it. I hate being bound to my morals. 
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Sniklac16
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: 557 |
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Are you people seriously this stupid? I already claimed AND im voting for Chaz, which I wouldnt be doing if we were both scum esp since hes at L-1. Though I am curious as to why he wants lynched so bad, jester comes to mind but i learned the hard way after a game I modded jester is a poor role to have. I think we def need to get rid of Chaz and if he happens to be innocent than I believe MNO would be the next target
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: 558 |
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Ugh. Ignore him.
unvote; vote Sniklac16
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Mackay
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:12 am Post subject: 559 |
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| Sniklac16 wrote: |
| Are you people seriously this stupid? I already claimed AND im voting for Chaz, which I wouldnt be doing if we were both scum esp since hes at L-1. Though I am curious as to why he wants lynched so bad, jester comes to mind but i learned the hard way after a game I modded jester is a poor role to have. I think we def need to get rid of Chaz and if he happens to be innocent than I believe MNO would be the next target |
So let me just make sure I've got this straight. You are arguing that:
- You and Chaz can't possibly both be scum
- Voting for Chaz is a sign that you are innocent (and therefore, Chaz is mafia?)
- If we lynch Chaz and he turns out to be innocent (despite the fact that apparently voting for Chaz *is* a sign of innocence) we are to assume MNO's guilt
- You think I'm stupid (I was the only one voting for you, so...)?
I'd also like you to answer the question I asked you earlier: if you *knew* raekuul was scum, why did you take your vote off him, at considerable danger to yourself? |
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Chaz
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| Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2010 5:16 am Post subject: 560 |
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Seriously, Mackay, he's just a poor innocent idiot. I mean, even after I directed him right to the damn rules, he didn't read them (or he ignored the one about not posting at night.)
He's not scum, he's just inexperienced and doesn't bother to read. He's not stupid, just n00b city.
What the hell is a jester anyway?
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