Sopranos Mafia: TOWN WINS

[Chaz]

Rae. I'm so dumb. I really thought him and Amb were linked up. Amb played that last day either very well, or very poorly (and I'm guessing very well.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Sentran]

I guess if I'm dead and we go to night, I don't have to worry about a mod-kill. Chaz, if you were wrong about everything to this point, why would you still lead the charge to a lynch? By doing so you just let Jedo have the game.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

No. Either Chaz and I won, or I just handed the game to Chaz. I'm still anxious about this.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Undercover Monk]

wow i cant believe Amb killed himself especially considering Raekuul was innocent. Jedo played a great game reagardless but whoever was town should have voted for a no lynch and left it a prisoners dilema situation.

if sentran was town then it will be a no win situation if he was mafia the SK or VIg wins so heres hoping Chaz is not lying.
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Fezzik]

actually that would be interesting. In the case of a no lynch, the next day would have 1 town and 1 mafia... how does that work? coin flip since there's no majority, or town win because it'd be a stalemate during the day which is town's domain. meh. still waiting on snik to post results, but it's over in either case. The first night I investigated and found out Chaz is a town aligned vigilante, so if Sentran was mafia, town wins, if Jedo was mafia, he wins. The second night (didn't make a difference because I was dead) I found out Amb was mafia.

No worries Chaz, I had Amb and Rae as scum together in my mind too.

Sorry about not being any help to the town. I was holding out for a night 2 investigation before revealing and asking for doc support, since Chaz's identity revealed (I probably would have said he was innocent or town or something to protect him from mafia) wouldn't help the town kill mafia I was gambling I'd live for one more night.

In any case, a pretty goof game I'd say.
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[Chaz]

It was really pretty awesome at the end there. I'm still not sure who's lying out of Sentran/Jedo.

Amb played brilliantly (if a bit unorthodox.)

I had rae pegged as Scum, but I figured Amb would think that... then I thought maybe that was why Amb offed himself (hoping that I would think he wanted me to think he was trying to trick me about rae.)

It was really a WIFOM moment for me when I finally decided to shoot rae. I went both ways, several times.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

[Zag]

If a day comes down to a town and a mafia, then the mafia wins. The mafia just stalemates the vote and then kills the townie in the night.

If it comes down to a Vig and a single Mafia, what happens depends on the mod, who should have decided before the game started what order the night actions happen. (It's a balance thing. If the initial setup slightly favors town, then have the mafia go before the vig. And vice-versa.)

If it comes down to an SK and a single Mafia, then, again, it depends on what order the night events happen, which the mod should already have decided. However, I think that the SK is always in a tough position, so he should usually get to go first.

[raekuul]

It was a brilliant play by Amb, actually. I figured he was the last townie. He was banking on the implied connection when he took himself out, expecting Chaz to go after me under the assumption I was scum.

[Sentran]

Assuming that Chaz is telling the truth, could it have been possible that we had the last 2 mafia members on the ropes on day 3 (at 3 votes each), but they played well enough that we never suspected the link?
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

So can I reveal my thoughts? I know who my remaining scum was? And I have a lot to say.

PS: I made Chaz shoot the doctor. Hahahahahahaha

[Chaz]

I think it's a bit late for contamination at this point.

Technically, we should let the mod speak up, but it's a moot point at this time.

[Chaz]

[Sentran]

I really hope snik gets on soon and posts the conclusion.
I'd like to know who was lying.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

I can lie to you some more via PM if you want.

Jedo, tell the truth, did I make you mad or what?

[Sniklac16]

well i dont want to think of any cool story so

sentran richie aprile mafia goon lynched day 4

and with that thegame is over TOWN WINS!!
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[Chaz]

Boo yeah! =D
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

On a side note, well played by Amb and Sentran.

I really wasn't sure who was scum until Snik posted. The thing that finally made me commit was my comment about "unless it's something really odd like Amb and Sentran" followed closely by Amb shorting out the vote.

On a side note, had Sentran switched off to Jedo (thus giving them two mafia that night), I probably (though not for sure) would have tried to kill Amb.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Chaz]

Also, weighing in on my final vote was post 465 (where i pointed out that Amb and Sentran's roles didn't have a separate wiki page.) Sentran was the first to come up with the idea that it was a two mafia member team. And one other thing...

Oh. Jedo posted while I was voting for Sentran. It seemed like he had time to vote for Sentran and end the game, but didn't actually do it. I couldn't be sure, but it joined forces with other evidence and tipped the scales.

The only thing Amb did wrong (in my opinion) was claiming that Silverfire was his spy. I remember reading somewhere that Silver could have been converted to Amb's team (seems like Snik said it, though I can't find it now), but it was clear (in my mind) that mafia didn't know who the mafia spy was (and shouldn't.) I just don't remember if I read it on the scumWIki, or if it was something Snik said.

If Sentran or Jedo had started trying to convince the other to lynch me (because I was a SK), then it would have decided it for me (and against the person suggesting my lynch.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Zag]

[Chaz]

How could it have been a "great" benefit for town?

Even though I:

• Lynched one townie.
  
• Personally slaughtered a townie.
  
• Killed the doctor.
  
• Refused to lynch the God-Father

We won.

We've played three games together, Zag, and the stats are as follows.

33% of the time Chaz lived 'till the end, and town won.
33% of the time Chaz was killed by lynching, and mafia won.
33% of the time Chaz was night killed by mafia, and mafia won.

It's, clearly, only a good idea to kill Chaz if you're mafia.

What game starts next? Zag's?
I'm so excited!
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The enemy's base is down.

[Sentran]

Great game indeed! I am not upset about how it played out.
I will never again be able to claim noob in a mafia game.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Amb]

I was the obvious lynch yesterday, and I should have been strung up straight away. When it didnt happen I carried on arguing. Somehow we deadlocked on me and Jedo. Perfect, going into night with two mafia alive, even if Chaz pinged one of us, we had a chance. In fact our best chance. With Chaz looking to kill the doc, we would have won outright if he had. But for some strange reason Sentran wouldnt change his vote. Instead of taking the best mathematical chance to win the game he carried on voting me. You can't believe how angry I was about that. I'd managed the impossible to hold off what should have been a very logical vote. I'd have hung me if I was town because it was the right play. Then to have my mafia partner leave me on the chopping block and no other player likely to get a vote was very frustrating.

But then the unthinkable began to occur.

Chaz was wavering on killing Rae, and Jedo was beginning to convince him. I thought of, but ignored the possibility they were mafia together. If Chaz changed his mind about Rae, that left Sentran dead in the water. I had to suicide to prevent any more conversation. Preventing that line of conversation meant we still had a chance. Smaller, but it existed. If Chaz was convinced not to shoot Rae, we were screwed. Horrible to have to do it, and I had to profusely apologize to Sniklac for it. I died to stop the conversation.

The only other point of note was that Sniklac told me my mafia at the start (Sentran and Silverfire). He later told there was a town traitor I could recruit. When we tried, he said "Too late, you just lynched her". We were fully expecting another mafia member to join us, not that someone who was already in our mafia group would join us. I presume that I actually wasnt supposed to know about Silverfire in the first place and that was a mistake. I had thrown Silverfire under a bus in expectation that we were losing 1/4 scum.

I also had no advantage in being GodFather. That was a bit odd. I'd have liked to show innocent to cops at least.

We killed "Fezzik-Useless" (Sorry buddy, I was scum and I was manipulating big time when I called you that) because he was showing doctor-traits. Hardly posting but clearly reading. I didn't expect him to come up cop. A note to all would be doctors and cops. Staying under the radar but still clearly reading is a freaking HUGE sign to mafia we should off you. Raekuul later effectively outed himself as the doc. I could have shut up and let Sentran finish him off, but it played one hell of a mind game on everyone - and nearly won us the game. I maintain Sentran could have and should have voted Jedo. If Chaz had hit Raekuul as per his own plan we won, and if he hit me or Sentran we could have pulled it off getting Jedo lynched. It was going to be tight, but very very possible.



Chaz said know one knew he was the SK/killer with 2 bullets - whatever, but he was lined up as our next kill after Fezzik because we were guessing he was a power role. Leaving UM alive was mainly because mason traitors aren't as rare as people posted in this game, and hey, Chaz shot the doctor. He could have been swayed to UM.

[Amb]

PS: Jedo, no hard feelings buddy. Your logic was faultless and should have been followed. I have no idea why no one caught on that you were 100% right, and I wasn't going to complain about that. Next game we play, I'm listening to you, unless I'm scum again. In which case you will be renamed dead-o-the-dead-I.

[Chaz]

Had Sentran hammered Jedo, I would have targeted you Amb, and not Rae.

I was pretty convinced that rae was telling the truth about being a doctor.

I actually thought you were counting on me thinking that I was convinced about rae being a doctor (which is why I ended up killing him.)

I assure you, Sentran switching to Jedo would have gotten you killed--unless you were immune to vig kills. Even then, there was an outside chance I might have killed Sentran. I actually had a message all typed up to Snik to off Sentran (since he and I were both online when you hammered.) I ended up waiting and over-thinking it.

If I had gone with my first instinct last night, I would have killed Sentran. It was only because I over estimated your opinion of me that I ended up killing rae.

You got lucky. (though, not lucky enough.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Sentran]

I feel I was too strong out of the gate on day 4. If I'd played a bit more conservatively, I still think that Chaz could have gone either way.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Chaz]

Maybe. There were a lot of things against you (though, there were a lot of things against Jedo as well.)

[Sentran]

I believe my vote record went to lynch both other mafia members as well, and had I been given more time on day 4, I would have pointed that out. As I said, what worked against me in day 4 was impatience.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Chaz]

[raekuul]

Ah the irony. I thought that the mafia would come after me and that you would... I don't know. I figured I'd protect you since (A) I can't protect me and (B) you're better at this than I am anyway.

[Amb]

The rule of thumb when mafia is not to kill Chaz. He will usually do some crazy stuff that will help you (eg out the cop, shoot the doc, defend the scum, roleblock the mod)

[Sentran]

[Chaz]

[Chaz]

Also, I still maintain that Zag outed himself in Depp.

It was blatantly obvious to me, and I think Mackay said she'd guessed it as well.
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[MNOWAX]

Good game town!

UM, why did you lie about who you were to me?

I did breadcrumb PINE BARRENS MONK in my posts,but i dont recall him ever using it. I guess you all could have trusted him. I figured he was Pauly walnuts, but never got a hold of him before the game actually started, so i just assumed it.

When sentran claimed Little Paulie, it was pretty obvious that he was scum, because i figured the mafia in this game would be NY mob influenced (johnny sack's crew) Surprisingly, even though that wasn't the case, i would have had pushed his lynch just for that reason alone..

Amb played well, despite screaming scum as usual

Great game everyone thanks for snik for modding!
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MNOWAX

[Amb]

I get called scum in every game I play. THe only difference is I only get lynched when town. I had to lynch myself to actually make it happen. BTW a no lynch would have been really bad for us with a crazy vig running round.

My roleclaim was the mods safe claim for me. It turned out to be a poorly chosen safe claim as it didn't fit the rest of the town roles, so Sniklac16 should learn from that.

I'm still gutted I didnt get normal GF abilities (ie 1 of the following: Cop Immunity, Kill immunity on first attack from vig, 1 shot override the doc etc)

[Chaz]

A no lynch couldn't possibly have been worse than lynching your GodFather.

Honestly, I thought maybe you'd misread your role again (like in reunion.)
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The enemy's base is down.

[Amb]

No, desperation tactics.

[Chaz]

Well, it worked well. Kudos.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Fezzik]

Yay town!

Next game I'll have to cover my tells and conservative posts a bit better if I get a power role. would have been awesome to get a cop / doc / vig combo going but I figured the 2nd day was a bit too early to try that with a role claim. maybe if I had found mafia the first night. meh, good game all, Chaz and Amb made the ending interesting.
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"...Do you take off your face and hands before you got to bed? And if so, are you some kind of robot? And if so, kind of powers do you have? Do you use them for good, or for awesome?...

-SB