Death Eater Mafia - Death Eaters Win

[Chaz]

It's mafia strategy. I can think of no better place for it than here.
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The enemy's base is down.

[raekuul]

Just to clarify: The Dark Lord assumed there was only one spy. The Dark Lord is not all-knowing.

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Nagini the snake bites off Chaz's face, revealing that he is... Severus Snape, Headmaster of Hogwarts and Redoubled Agent against Voldemort.

[Undercover Monk]

hah to Jedo more than one spy

hah to Chaz I got you

apology to Chaz it was bad luck I hope you will continue to play cause you are right you make games fun even if they are not helpful to town.

and now Im going to shut up see you guys in the morning.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

Sweet! One down! I am vindicated, you worthless mudblood worm, Jedo.

[Sentran]

...and the faithful shall prevail! Who is next for our chopping block?
Man, I called that one rather well, if I do say so myself.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

As the Death Eaters reconvene, Quailman is conspicuously absent.

[Zag]

You did, Sentran, though I'll take some of the credit, too. I was about to say that we should look through his posts for distancing, but from the mod's post, it seems he didn't know who his spy-buddy was. We'll have to look through others' posts to see who was distancing himself from Chaz, on the assumption that the other person knew.

[Undercover Monk]

uh excuse me you two I believe I get credit for having the balls to make him a viable lynch at L-1. Oh well I can share the glory. FOS Jedo you didnt want to lynch Chaz and you refused to believe there might be 2 spies.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

Actually, UM, you and Quail both did that, because I had unvoted him after you voted. I only had unvoted because my first vote for him was just a joke.

raekuul, It would really be great if you would post an official vote count at least in the official lynch message. Here is what it looks to me that it was (from starting at post 49 and working forwards).

Chaz - MNOWAX, Sentran, Undercover Monk, Quailman, Zag
Undercover Monk (2) - Jedo the Jedi, Sniklac16
Quailman - equestrian
Sentran - Chaz

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So, what have we got? Jedo was rather vociferously trying to keep us from sending the snake at Chaz, but I'm not sure he would do that if he was Chaz's spy buddy. He would probably keep a lower profile. My favorite choice right now is Sniklac. His post #90 sounds phony, like he's distancing, not like he really suspects something, and he hasn't posted since then.

Heck, I'll get the ball rolling: vote: Sniklac

[Sentran]

To both Zag and UM, I meant about calling his role, not the lynch itself. I believe that was a well-earned group effort.
Now on to the other scum...
I do not believe that the other scum were voting for Chaz in a game so small. Everyone who changed their votes FROM Chaz switched back and were instrumental in the lynch. That being said, I'd like to hear from Jedo, Equestrian, and Snik, as they were the only ones not voting for Chaz. I'd bet my wand that at least one of those 3 are scum.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Sniklac16]

well like i stated the only reason i wasn't voting for Chaz was because I thought he played a good game in both depp and Sopranos and didn't want to bring the hammer down so soon, but would have if said anything else that sounded scummy. And the reason I haven't posted much lately is because of my work schedule and personal family issues. But personally I think mnowax has been very quiet and hasn't really contributed anything of importance so for now I'm going to vote mnowax
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[MNOWAX]

Jedo is not scum, I think Snik or UM is.

My second Gut instinct is Vote: Undercover Monk
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MNOWAX

[Zag]

[Sentran]

Vote: Equestrian
Still watching Jedo and Snik, though.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Zag]

Meh. It's not inconceivable, but I'll be reluctant to be in another game of raekuul's if he has.

Sentran, as I said, I also have some suspicion on equestrian, and I could be convinced to change my vote to her if there is additional evidence that I haven't noticed. What is your reasoning?

[Zag]

Sorry for the double post, I need to say more. (Preview! Remember to preview!)

The difference what you are suggesting and a Deputy or Nurse role is that promoting them to cop and doc does not change their alignment. What you're suggesting is that raekuul sent a note to somebody that said "With Snape's death, you are no longer a reliable Death Eater, but instead have turned coat to become a spy. By the way, whom are you going to kill this night?"

[Undercover Monk]

seriously, Jedo, you still refuse to believe, even though raekuul told us in the opening post there might be two.

Also if the current spy did not know Chaz was scum how is it bussing. If HP is the final spy then it would make sense he did not know Chaz, aka Snape, was good. But if he didnt know that chaz was a fellow spy then theres no way its bussing. It would be a scum lynching someone he thought was town.

So lets recap:
If Chaz had turned out town you would have voted for me and possibly Zag for "causing" Chaz's death

I assumed with Chaz being guilty that would make me at least less suspicious in your eyes. But nope it earned me 2 votes.

If Im a spy and knew Chaz was also a spy I apparently decided to buss him on day 1 with no serious votes. Boy you must think Im an idiot.

If Im a spy and did not know Chaz was also a spy I decided it would best serve my purposes by putting someone at L-1 on page 1. Boy you must think Im an idiot. (granted this one is a tad more believeable but still unlikely)


and finally I voted out chaz not because I dislike his playing style but because in his last few games his playing style has eventually hurt the town. I love Chaz posts from an entertainment side but it does little to help the town win. So yeah you are a hypocrite. You dislike policy lyches so you voted me and condemed zag. that is a policy lynch. Yes I got lucky but thats all you have to go on day 1. Of course you think Im a spy so I guess I got UNlucky.



Vote: Jedo the Jedi
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Sentran]

[Zag]

You're convincing me. I had forgotten about the "ha ha," though I have to admit that I didn't give it a lot of weight when it was first brought up.

My biggest reason for holding back is that I don't want to lynch her incorrectly and squash a new player's interest in the game. Of course, I don't want to lynch anyone incorrectly, but a new player, a little more so. I have her also high on my list, but I'll hold off on voting for her until something else develops.

I went through all of Quail's posts. The only person he legitimately suspected was Chaz. Does anyone else see anything fruitful which might indicate why he was targeted? I got nothin'.

[Sentran]

After a quick re-read of the thread, it does look like Quail was focused on Chaz. Therefore, the only reason to lynch him is if someone was annoyed by him, or to try to shift suspicion to someone else. I agree that Equestrian is the obvious choice, in that she is the only one that voted Quail yesterday. That being said, I hesitate to go for the obvious choice. I've unconvinced myself. Unvote: Equestrian
Now the only other person that showed a specific interest in Quailman (for his puns) was Raekuul. Vote: Raekuul
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[equestrian]

Can you vote for the mod? Anyways whats the big deal that I said "ha ha" after a post that i thought was funny? I said i don't like star wars big deal, I didn't mean anything by it. Also I personally think Zag seems a bit suspicious to me, he seems to be jumping a bit so until further notice I'll vote Zag

[Sentran]

[raekuul]

It wouldn't be the first time I got lynched while I was the mod

[Zag]

Yeah? What did you do?

equestrian, as much as your vote against me makes me want to make an OMGUS vote against you, I won't... yet. (It stands for Oh My God yoU Suck, and refers to voting back at someone who just voted for you.)

I'm not sure why you think I've been jumping around. I stated early on that I think the remaining spy is one of you three who didn't vote for the lynch. Lynching your scum buddy in the first round is pretty foolish. I picked Snik based on one post that I thought sounded phony, but, obviously, no one agreed with me. I haven't actually changed my vote since then, just talked about who else it might be. ~checks back~ Actually, I only talked about you. Hardly hopping around, and now I'm even more suspicious of you since you are accusing me falsely (as you did to Quailman in the first day).

In fact, I've just talked myself into it. Here's my first jump, if you want to accuse me of jumping around, now I'm at least a little guilty of it.

unvote. vote equestrian

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Sentran]

I'm with you, Zag.
Unvote: Raekuul
Vote: Equestrian
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Undercover Monk]

Ok I just did a major recap. I looked specifically at the Chaz voters, Jedo and Quailman. The conclusions I have come up with are...

1. The orignal 3 Chaz votes were either randomn day 1 votes or based on jokes. NOT SERIOUS votes as Jedo claimed.
2. raekuul definately started this game with at least 2 spies.
3. Quailman was possibly killed because he was agreeing with me and I was going to be set-up as the next lynch by the remaining spy.


And before I post my recap with the evidence to back up these findings I want to go back to Jedos two mole example.

In post 136 you use the example that two rival gangs have moles in the FBI. The FBI knows there is A mole so one mole busses the other to get the heat off him. This you argue is why you are voting me.

This scenario could not happen though. In a mafia game with two killing groups the two mobs are never told who the other group is. If Chaz had know there was a rival spy he and the rival spy would have killed each other the first night. Game Over. The only options are these

1. Two spies that knew each other same team. It would have been stupid for me to put my partner at L-1 on post 18.I am not that bad at playing this game.

2. Two Spies did not know there was another spy. This could have happened and considering HP is actually probable. But Again Im not stupid enough to stick my neck out like that if Im scum.

So No I do not believe Chaz was bussed. Anyway I will finish typing up my recap and post it soon.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Undercover Monk]

RECAP
Page1

Post 6: MNOWAX confirms and votes Chaz (no reason given)
post 7: Sentran votes Chaz (reason: to make the first bandwagon)
post 8: Zag votes Chaz (reason: his motto of lynching Chaz early and often. admits this was joke later.)

[In less than 10 posts Chaz is at 3 votes all of which Jedo claims are serious votes]

post 13: Jedo tells Zag to stop the vendetta against Chaz, but admits Chaz could have screwed the town last game. He also votes me. (reason: ??? apparently I was acting suspicious before I even posted )
Post 16: Chaz votes Zag no reason given (could be OMGUS)
Post 18: My first post in the game. I support a Chaz lynch and put him at L-1 for his play in previous games. (What Jedo calls a policy lynch)
Post 23: Jedo Likes his vote. calls my logic flimsy and says we will neve catch scum that way.

[I had never heard of the term policy lynch before but thats what Ive always done day1, especially as a townie with no info to go on. I still agree policy lynches are the way to go on day 1]

Post 25: Quail quotes the win condition from post 2 that says "Voldermort/deatheaters win by removing anyone that is a spy or IS ASSISTING A SPY.

[right there is what caused me to believe that there was more than one spy]

post 27: even though Chaz is at L-1 Sentran keeps his vote. (reason: It amuses him)
Post 28: MNOWAX wants someone to hammer
Post 29: Zag says his revenge vote was all in fun and that he needed someone to vote for on day 1.
post 32: I lay out my reasoning for putting Chaz at L-1 and my day 1 philosiphy.
post 33: Equestrian votes Jedo cause she doesnt like Star Wars

[A few points here; 1. I find it interesting that the three Chaz voters post but do not unvote. If they were scummates with Chaz they could have unvoted and been completely justified by claiming their votes were random or jokes, and that they didnt want a accidental hammer on page 1. This is a point in their favor to me. 2. I included equestrians vote to show yet another example of a randomn joke vote that usually occours first the first page of mafia games. I do not believe Equestrian was serious about your guilt nor do I believe Zag was sure at this point that Chaz was scum. The first serious vote on Chaz was mine and only because mine put him at L-1]

post 34: Chaz calls me stupid and says a quick lynch only favor mafia

page 2(yep we are only on page 2 at this point)

post 44: Jedo incorrectly insists there is only 1 spy despite quailman's pointing out the win condition.
post 54: Zag unvotes and FOS's me for pursuing the obvious JOKE (aka not serious) to L-1

(most of the rest of the page is filled with puns and the discussion of Quailmans post restriction)

post 73: Jedo says "Now Back to our regularly scheduled voting of Monk"

page 3

post 83: Quail votes Chaz for insisting Quail knows too much.
post 95: I respond to both Chaz and Jedo (read it if you like)
post 96-99: Chaz and I argue the pros and cons of role play in mafia
post 100: Quail agrees with me that role play is distracting to finding scum
post 104-107: More roleplay discussion that ends with Zags hammer

[Those were some long and repetitive posts that are difficult to summarize feel free to peruse them but it is Quails post 83 and 100 that may have sealed his fate. As opposed to both me and Zag he was not on the suspect list of anyone. yet he was clearly in our camp so he had to go if I was to be set-up. I know its not much to go on but its the only reason I can think of as to why he was killed.]

post 108: Jedo The Jedi And His Amazing WRONG-O-RAMA POST
1. There is only one scum (WRONG)
2. Chaz is totally town (WRONG)
3. You guys made the wrong decision (WRONG)
he also bashes policy lynches (even though it resulted in a scums death) and puts me and Zag at the top of his suspect list. (And though I have no concrete proof that is wrong too.)

post 120: I point out that Jedo is voting based on a disagreement in play styles and call him a hypocrite. I still believe this.

page 4 (almost done)

post 122: raekull announces Chaz is Snape (a spy) and that there are more than one in the game.
post 123: Hah to both Chaz and Jedo
post 126: Night lasts a mere three hours. Quailman is dead
post 129: Zag again categorizes his page 1 Chaz vote as a JOKE and posts the lynch vote count.
post 130: Sentran suspects non-Chaz voters
post 131: Jedo claims I am not trying to win the game because I use policy lynches on day 1. And refuses to admit he is wrong about the number of spies. He insists Raekull changed the allignment of a townie. He is also surprised Quail is killed

[apparently Raekkul was able to scramble and get a player to change his allignment and give him his night kill in 3 hours man that guy is cool under pressure (sarcasm) Oh and dont you just love the wow I am so surprised Quailman was killed I never would have chosen him.]

post 133: MNOWAX votes me and defends Jedo. (reason: not given????)
post 134: Zag agrees policy lynching does not mean you are not trying to win and says he doesn't think raekuul changed the set-up.
post 136: Jedo votes me (surprise surprise)
post 139: My original recap post. (im not recapping a recap)
post 147: Jedo's response. (Im not recaping a response to a recap)

[So yeah any thoughts on my logic or additions.]






[Oh almost forgot Confirm Vote: Jedo the Jedi]
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Sentran]

UM is starting to sway me. Zag, should the small group of us bandwagon the Jedo in hopes that UM is right? Jedo is one I am still suspicious of, and UM makes good points.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

Aaaaaand... there it is. UM found the other link to Quail. Quail quoted raekuul's post in post 25, and Jedo decidedly ignored it in post 44. UM, you've moved me to Vote: Jedo the Jedi.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Undercover Monk]

[Jedo the Jedi]

Quail's quote of the win condition does not prove there have always been two spies. In fact, it goes along with my speculation of the game (and Quail's own speculation) that the spy group would grow. It's cool how you can twist things like that.

I'm tired of doing this. Lynch me if you want. You really will be wrong this time. I just hope the town will remember Monk when I'm gone.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Jedo the Jedi]

I do want to know, when you are proven wrong about me, do we get to automatically lynch you in the next game because "your play style has eventually hurt the town"? I just figure if you're going to give short shrift to others, we may as well give it to you.

Also, as long as we are basing what we think of people's alignment or worth in a game on previous games, everybody should be listening to me since I nailed all three scum in the last game. But you wouldn't do that because it isn't good reasoning.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Undercover Monk]

ah but like I said policy lynches last only til we have something to go on. And who am I to say what you should do next game. I understand that someone has to be the guinie pig lynch. If its my tun next time then its my turn but for now Im pretty sure Ive got you red handed. Heck this could end up being my single greatest performance in a mafia game. Granted I got lucky on Chaz but sometimes you need luck to win.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

[MNOWAX]

Jedo is NOT SCUM.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Jedo the Jedi]