Ender's Game Mafia is over. Congrats, Town!!

[MNOWAX]

time to get some blood boiling and forget about this policy lynch.

Unvote, vote Ctorj

Why? cause I CAN.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Sentran]

Jedo, the vendetta I refer to is due to your voting from last game, and your perceived bias against UM this game. I still have not dropped my FOS from you. You post responses faster than anyone else, and the constant monitoring of the thread just feels a bit scummy to me.

I'm keeping my vote for UM, and I have a bit of data to support my theory. UM has already been called out for being extremely quiet this game and defending his low post count. His silence screams lurker to me. Also, his dismissive "go ahead and lynch me" seems contrived. I did a quick thread post count for everyone, and he is tied for lowest posts (with Lifeinmomland, who I'm also watching) and was the last player to get to 5 posts.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

Oh dear.
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Who is John Gult?

[Lifeinmomland]

I guess I had better start talking more
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Who is John Gult?

[Lifeinmomland]

THERE!! Now this is my 6th post.
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Who is John Gult?

[Undercover Monk]

I don't find Jedo to be antagonistic. Rather he, like myself, is not very easily swayed. I respect a difference of opinion and dont view it as scummy or suspicious.

What I do find suspicious is Sentran. He has jumped around all day and been quick to defend me recently. I dont know its just seems to fake.

Unvote, Vote: Sentran
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Zag]

Official vote count

MNOWAX: Lifeinmomland
Sniklac16: Jedo, wordcross, raekuul
Ctorj: MNO
Chaz:
Sentran: UMonk
Lifeinmomland:
wordcross: Ctorj,
Undercover Monk: Chaz, Sentran Sniklac
Jedo the Jedi:
raekuul:

Not voting:

[Chaz]

Been reading; see no reason to change my vote. As far as day one logic goes, that's about as good as it gets.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Undercover Monk]

that is weird.... but then again I never said you were not a good player. We just happen to disagree on that one isuue. BTW I missed the fact that we have a deadline.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Jedo the Jedi]

I decided there's no harm in switching my vote and putting my money where my mouth is. If no one else votes for Sentran to put him at majority by deadline, I can always switch back.

unvote vote Sentran
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[raekuul]

But that's only two on Sentran...

[Undercover Monk]

so join the bandwagon fun raekuul

anyway ive got class now so I may not be on again til late tomorow night. I hope thats ok with some of you. You know cause my life doesnt revolve around this game and my post count is so worriesome.

smell ya later
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[raekuul]

Meh, why not. We might actually hit scum.

unvote
vote:Sentran

[Sniklac16]

heres to hoping we get rid of scum unvote vote sentran
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[MNOWAX]

whoa wait.... everyones ignorin.....

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE? i VOTE CTORJ AND NO ONE SEEMS TO NOTICE????

*jumps up and down and waves his arms*

fine. i ssee how this is. everyone wants sentran to swing. lets do it then.

Unvote, Vote Sentran.

Be warned. i'm getting better( i have been sick for the past few days), that means more finger pointing tomorrow.
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MNOWAX

[Lifeinmomland]

I need to preface this by saying... he is gonna kill me when he wakes up.

So... UNVOTE VOTE SENTRAN

That being said, I agree that Sentran has been a bit dodgy. He has been rather erratic in voting, and seemed to push random bandwagons heavy. I felt from the beginning that would be detrimental to the town.

Mod I believe this may be the Hammer.
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Who is John Gult?

[Zag]

Wow, I was going to say that the deadline would be extended, since the activity picked up considerably. But a quick unofficial count puts that at 6 votes and therefore a hammer. I'll come back in a minute with an official vote count and an update.

[Zag]

Official vote count

MNOWAX:
Sniklac16: wordcross,
Ctorj:
Chaz:
Sentran: UMonk Jedo raekuul Sniklac MNO Lifeinmomland
Lifeinmomland:
wordcross: Ctorj,
Undercover Monk: Chaz, Sentran
Jedo the Jedi:
raekuul:

Not voting:

According to the traditions of Mafialand, Sentran, having been voted by a jury of his peers, walks slowly to the gallows. He twitches and jerks for some time, and finally a slip of paper falls from his lifeless hand.

[Sentran]

Sonuvacrap!
I went straight from work to bed due to being sick, log on in the morning, and I'm dead? I mean, the part about me being scum notwithstanding, that SUCKS! Hammered by my own wife, to boot. I'm not sure if I should be angry or proud of that one...

Good luck all.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[MNOWAX]

[Insert witty comment about Sentran getting hammered by his wife here]
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Zag]

MNO, don't push it.

[raekuul]

[Insert witty comment on night posting here]

[Sentran]

Oooh, simul-post with the Mod? You guys are gonna get modstruck.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

Oh, you'd like that. Wouldn't you, Mr. NowStuckOnTheSidelines? (I was vig'ed on night 1 a couple of games back, so I sympathize.)

I suppose I need a deadline. The last chance for people who owe me actions is Thursday at noon, EST.

[Chaz]

So, random funny aside story while we wait.

I used to use the email address "mail_@chaz_walker.com" (sans _'s), as my main email addy. When I switched to using chaz.name as my primary domain, I started using "email@" instead of just "mail@" and I didn't enter it right on the GL.

So I wasn't getting notifications, and I just assumed they weren't working because FMB said he wasn't being notified either (in reunion mafia.)

Mostly, this post exists for the sole purpose of subscribing to the thread.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Zag]

Morning dawns, and all of you meet for breakfast. All except wordcross, that is; he is lying in a pool of congealed blood. It used to be his blood, but it doesn't seem to belong to him anymore, him being dead and all.

In looking through his things, the group finds the following note.

[Sniklac16]

Wow that could have been a useful person to have around...im not really sure where to go from here yet until more people start to comment, but I would like to post that Chaz has been unusually quiet this game...
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[wordcross]

Well dang. I guess the mafia doesn't like Chinese food?
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[Jedo the Jedi]

No surprises, but I'm sure at least one of the people who switched to Sentran is scum. I'll wade through that later. For now, I am somewhat suspicious of Ctorj. It's just a feeling I have right now, but I'll go back and look at his posts later (especially when more have been posted).

vote Ctorj
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Chaz]

Well crap. That's almost a mason building role isn't it?

I need to read through the thread, filter by user, and see who switched to Sentran. More importantly, see who didn't bother to vote.

Oh, did I mention the filter? The filter is fixed now, so it can show posts when a user has more than one page of filtered results. Sorry it took so long, but I wasn't sure how useful it would be to post about the filter until there was a need for the filter in one of the games. There isn't quite a need for the filter in this game just yet, but there you go.
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The enemy's base is down.

[Zag]

I modified the description of the rules slightly. I don't consider this to be a change, because it is what I had always considered the rules to be. It is just a clarification.

[Ctorj]

[Zag]

5 posts in 2 days. Let's pick it up people!! Consider yourselves threatened with imminent deadline.

[Sniklac16]

BAH!! Fine with hopes of chatter picking up a bit here im gonna go ahead and vote Chaz for unusual behavior in a game
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[raekuul]

Following the line of thought that the scum were the ones that switched, that leaves lifeinmomland who hammered, MNOWAX, Sniklac, myself, Jedo, and Undercover Monk (according to the thread review at the bottom of this page). That means we went from having next to nobody on Sentran to lynching Sentran starting from post 75 (and the vote count in 87 verifies this). If we continue with the "scum must be someone that switched" route... well, as there were ten players and we needed six to lynch, I don't think it's likely that the scum could have kept completely out of that lynch since only Undercover Monk and Sentran had more than one vote on him at lynch.

So, do I think that the conclusion that someone on the Sentran Wagon was a mobster was correct? Yes. Do I think it would have wound up being a deliberate bus? Probably not. Do I think it is possible that no scum could have voted for Sentran? Possible, but unlikely.

As for who may or may not be scum:

Undercover Monk: Started the wagon, but Sentran was already voting for him. Somewhat OMGUS-y, but his official reasoning (Sentran was jumpier than James Geathers) is sound. Not really setting off any alarm bells there (86). He invites me to join the bandwagon of two on Sentran (93),

Chaz: Saw no reason to change his vote (88). Did not join the Sentran wagon. Snik, what "unusual behavior"?

Jedo the Jedi: Would have switched his vote to Sentran if we weren't so close to deadline (89), but then decides to switch from Snik to Sentran (91), saying he'll switch back if it doesn't look like we'll hit lynch

Myself: Switched from Snik to Sentran (94).

Sniklac: Switched from UM to Sentran (95).

MNOWAX: Switched from Lifeinmomland to Ctorj (81), then from Ctorj to Sentran (96).

Lifeinmomland: Switched from MNOWAX to Sentran, hammering him (97).

[MNOWAX]

Jedo's lack of vote switching then promptly doing it two posts later sounds fishy. Jedo care to explain this?
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MNOWAX

[Undercover Monk]

It cracks me up two times in a row I lead the lynch of a scum on day 1 and somehow that puts me on the suspect list. Jedos switch is the only 1 i find mildly suspicious but it was day 1 people. you dont have to have a good reason to lynch someone on day 1. And mafia never bus themselves on day 1 unless they have to. the hammer could have been scum but i need to go back and look at day 1
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[raekuul]

Actually, the qualifier was that someone that switched their vote to Sentran was scum (which I agree with). If you didn't notice, I pointed out that your vote was a counter-vote and that the actual reasoning you gave was sound enough to not set off any alarm bells in my head.

As for a Day 1 Bus, scum lynched scum. Whether intentional or not, Sentran got thrown under the bus.

[Undercover Monk]

yes scum lynch scum they just dont lead the way on day 1. Thats stupid like survivors throwing a challenge just to try and get rid of someone they dont like.

both mafia and survivor are numbers games. You dont let yourself lose allies IF YOU CAN HELP IT. (which granted is a big if)
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning