Pendragon Mafia GAME OVER

[Sentran]

[raekuul]

This is enough for today, then. First, I will announce that I am going to vote: No Lynch.

I still have not seen what it is that I'm looking for, nor do I know yet what, exactly, I am looking for. As I have said before, you all have enough evidence against you that I could make a case against each one of you. However, there is enough evidence for each of you that I can't yet be certain what is real and what is just my paranoia acting up.

Jedo has been very cooperative with me, and has been attacked every which way since the game began. Momland has only ever been eager to lynch today, when town victory appeared assured. Sentran gave more information about Zag than even a scum should have known, supporting his claim. I have been dragging my heels trying to figure out why I'm still alive.

So, now for a different approach. If you were scum, and we do go to No Lynch, who would you murder and why? I would personally go after Momland tonight, playing off of Sentran and Jedo's distrust for each other.

[Sentran]

Unvote, Vote: Sentran
I'm done.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

Sentran, stop throwing a fit like a five year old whose mom just told him he's not allowed to have the candy in the bowl.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Lifeinmomland]

A no lynch vote will give this game to the mafia. I am seeing another option here. Everyone is talking about balance in this game. They are saying how heavy the town is... so what if Snik put 4 mafia in this game? What if Rae and Jedo are both mafia? That could explain why Rae is draggin his feet on a vote, not wanting to bus his fellow mafia if it is possible to avoid. It also explains why Rae is still alive. I am begining to wonder if we are deadlocked because what we really have here is two town and 2 mafia. It makes mors sense the more I consider it.


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Who is John Gult?

[Lifeinmomland]

On a personal note Sentran is under intense pressure at work right now, a project that is already being pushed back with lots of over-time put into already. He tends to lose patience with things like this sort of game faster when he is stressed. Add to that the fact that much of this project is programming, and will be used by a very large group of people and it is somewhat sensitive information involved.

He isn't really having a fit. It is just the stress talking.
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Who is John Gult?

[raekuul]

It is a possibility, yes, and I congratulate you for being the first person all game to even suspect me after that firing squad I organized on UM. If there are two scum, though, then we would have been told Game Over already, unless there was a shot that we could lynch scum today and we still had a way to eliminate the last mafia with only three people alive going into night phase. If we go no-vote, then the mafia will kill *someone*, most likely me, if only to prevent another no-vote day.

Point about stress noted, but I am not retracting my comment until he has calmed down and sees what I'm trying to do here.

[Sentran]

I can tell you why we're not at two and two right now. If we were, Jedo and Rae would be voting the same way right now, and deadlock the vote until we went to night and they got another kill, clinching the win.

I meant what I said, I'm done. I'm done playing Rae's idiotic "entertain me" subgames while he drags his feet and gives more kills to the mafia. If we were not at endgame already, I'd ask for a replacement. I want the game over. Go ahead and lynch me so I can post an I told you so and Jedo can win.

Oh, and I'm not going to play themed mafia games anymore unless I'm familiar with the theme. It's frustrating having no idea who I'm supposed to be, who others are supposed to be, and how their stories fit together.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

Um ouch. I guess his issue is bigger than I thought. Part of the problem of not being able to talk about the game at all I guess.


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Who is John Gult?

[Sentran]

[Sentran]

In a brief re-read I noticed something that could work in the town's favor. With that bit of knowledge, at the risk of seeming inconsistent, I'll
Unvote, Vote: Jedo the Jedi
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

Now do you see why I said you were throwing a fit?

[Sentran]

[raekuul]

Hm, yes, I can see how that would put you on edge. Unfortunately, I did already give my word that I wouldn't change my vote once I placed it, which means that we're guaranteed to run into the deadline unless you all decide to lynch me.

[raekuul]

You know, if you're that convinced that Jedo's the last scum, vote No Lynch and push us into night. He can only kill one of us, after all.

[Sentran]

Nope, I have a better plan.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

Hm. I'm curious. Not enough to change my vote, but... all I'll ask is how does the deadline change the expected outcome?

[Sentran]

It will guarantee a town win.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

There you go again, acting like I trust you.

As to the Visual Studio thing, is that sensitive information? I get the feeling that having another pair of eyes looking over it could help. The problem is, I'm most likely not capable of looking over it and be helpful... still, there's nobody that can help you with it?

[Sentran]

It's sensitive information that we're populating the forms with, so yes. The IT guy where I work is fairly competent, but he's swamped as well. When we hit a wall, we talk it out between us and 9 times out of 10 we find an answer. It's the oddball issues that give me headaches, such as when subtracting a null field from a date results in a -700,000 number. Then when I got that solved, I needed to average the results, excluding the null values. Visual Studio does not always deal with nulls politely.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

...yeah, it's well out of my range of experience

[Sentran]

I remember asking for help on Access once. A bunch of tech guys were willing to help. I asked them how you total an aggregate function in the footer of a report, and their eyes glazed over.

Oh, and I'm self taught. >.<
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

Funny how it's always the pros that get their eyes to glaze over, innit?

Ah, screw it. You're certain that you'll win, at least, if I do this?

[Sentran]

The only way that town won't win is if you're lying about being town.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[raekuul]

Very well then. If you're wrong, then at least I'll get "I Told You So's" in postgame. unvote, vote: Jedo

[Sniklac16]

Ok by my math its time for a lynch?

Press and his remaining loyal travelers swarmed jedo convinced they finally are about to put an end to killing and betrayal. Jedo simply smiled a very creepy smile an said "even if you kill me, i'll be back this isn't over" he was then dropped from the noose and was silent after only a few moments

jedo the jedi - saint dane mafia godfather lynched day 4
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What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us.

[raekuul]

Well played, Jedo ^^ I almost went after Sentran from the word Go on Day 4. I'm glad I didn't.

[MNOWAX]

[Sentran]

See?! Congratulations, town!
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Quailman]

Yay town!

It was pretty obvious to me after D2 that UM and Zag were both scum. I was getting concerned when this last day dragged out so long. Jedo's "computer error" claim was so totally bogus. When raekuul took so long to hammer I was getting worried that he was scum also, unbalanced as that would have made the game.

[Lifeinmomland]

Yay! As to the computer error comment, Did Jedo have a computer error as well? I don't remember that. I truly want to vindicate myself with the computer error issue that was involved in my role. Here are my 2 role posts.
From: Sniklac16
To: Lifeinmomland
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:29 pm
Subject: mafia role
you are the mighty loor a vanilla townie with one special ability....the first time you are targeted at night, if you are targeted, because of your power you will survive to see anther day but it will only happen the first time

And
From: Sniklac16
To: Lifeinmomland
Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 10:09 pm
Subject: mafia
i thought i mentioned this in your role name but i guess my computer screwed up or something but part of your role is also vigilante you have a gun but it only has 2 bullets in it at your request you may choose one player at night to shoot but once your out of bullets your gun is useless and you go back to being normal townie



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Who is John Gult?

[Quailman]

Oops! I thought that had come from Jedo. I wasn't following so closely after I got killed.

[Zag]

Well done, town.

I think every one of the mafia players made serious mistakes, but I made at least two. The worst one was my 'Go Mafia' message after I died. I was thinking that I wouldn't give anything away, because obviously there are more mafia if the game is still going on. I had forgotten that a Serial Killer in the mix would have kept the game going. My apologies, Jedo.

[raekuul]

Out of curiosity, why didn't you mafia goons kill me after Day 3?

[Jedo the Jedi]

Too many things to be said. First, congrats, town. It was definitely hard-won.

A few things from my perspective:

- Monk and Zag went after each other too quickly on day 1. I'm glad they got my message to drop it. After that, I still think they were a little quick to turn on each other, but it was mostly fine. They did pretty well with what they were given.
- I said from the beginning to get Sentran. Not that I figured his role, but just that he could easily sniff us out once he was on the trail. I should have gone with my instincts.
- I knew Lucresia was the other mason based on her post after Ctorj's defense. My buddies thought her the cop, so that's why she got the bullet. *sigh* rae was a good roleblock choice, though. (Good call, Zag. )
- I considered all of the options I espoused for the final day and then some. I saw serious problems with all of them, so I thought the most illogical one would be best to throw the town off. It almost worked. My fear about killing rae was that Sentran and Mom would trust each other too easily, and I didn't want to accidentally kill the other person rae didn't check. It was a tough spot.
- Town does seem seriously stacked. We did remarkably well, but I just couldn't win with that endgame. Snik, as a mod, you should definitely make sure you have your PMs double-checked for all relevant information before you send them. Also, don't give too much information out. Less is more because if they still have more questions, you can address them one at a time, but you can't take back something you've already divulged. Also, if someone is roleblocked, I say don't send them a PM regarding the conclusion of their action. If they ask, just say they don't get anything. *shrug* There are of course differing ideas in this area, but that's my two cents.
- I think the only reason I was suspected was the claims. MNO tried to finger me, but my defense/attack on day 2 were still so logical that I could easily defend. *sigh* I still think I make a damn good scum.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Lucresia]

As soon as I heard the claims and knew that Jedo had an innocent result from the cop I kept reading this saying Vote: Jedo! haha. Godfather's a lot of times have immunity to investigations.

I had a bad feeling about Zag and as soon as he hammered I was like oh yeah there's the scum LOL. I wish I would have been alive the next day to make more comments, but...I think it worked out for the best. If the town would have not gotten the investigation from raekuul I think it may have been much harder for town to win.

Yay town, woohoo!
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[Lucresia]

oops not "immunity to investigations." meant to say they look innocent on investigations..but you know what I mean
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"And All anybody knows, is you're not like them" -Elliott Smith

[Sentran]

[Undercover Monk]

actually I felt I played pretty well I was supposed to be the obvious scum as a simple goon we could lose me. I survived two days which I didnt think I was gonna do. But yeah that was a stacked town If i ever saw one.

a doc
a cop
2 masons
an inventor
a vig
an evasive townie

the scum didnt stand a chance.
If you had made the vig a SK that would have helped balance things out.


But good job everyone way to ruin my streak of wins
and I still call hammer privelages in Ambs game cause this doesnt count as a wrong day 1 lynch when Im mafia lol
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning