Heroes Mafia:Game Over

[Zag]

More thoughts:

Perhaps it isn't a blanket ability to change someone else's vote, but instead just an ability to make him target himself. Did the show include someone who could turn people's own weapons back on themselves?

Also, I think we can safely assume that the person can not just change someone else's vote, but has to PM Amb to ask him to do it. Otherwise, Amb would have been restricted as to whom he could give the role to. Possibly all these changes are just one use of the ability, saying that Sentran can only target himself. Hmmm. Possibly the person had to declare in the thread whom he is converting into a self-targeting sucker. Now THAT would be amusing.

BTW, Sentran, I suggest you simply unvote. I can't imagine that Amb would give someone a role that can undo that.

[Zag]

Here are all the places anyone else mentioned Sentran:

[Sentran]

[Zag]

Oh, I had assumed that those were unvotes and votes for me (which then got changed). That really sucks.

[Undercover Monk]

I highly doubt that this is an active role as we havent had a night phase. I am betting Sentran may have to always vote him self or his votes arent recorded correctly. The only other viable option to me seems like someone always votes Sentran for some reason no matter how they post. (perhaps a character like HRG who has a vendetta against sylar)

The real problem is that alliances in this show change so rapidlly that its hard to tell who the scum will be even for a fan boy like me. The company could be townies taking out evil heroes like sylar or adam monroe. the town could be neutral heroes like peter or mohinder trying to take down the company. We dont even know what season Amb is taking this from.

personally I dont buy the whole help me someone is hacking me thing. In fact I think seeing sentrans role would give us more info than any other lynch at the moment. And the vote messing doesnt change his suspicious behavior. Its not a lot to go on but Ive lynched on day 1 for a lot less so for now my vote stays.
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1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Lifeinmomland]

[Lifeinmomland]

On another note, the idea that Sentran has to always vote himself is blown in two ways, the spoiler vote, and the original vote on Chaz which is still a Chaz vote in post 10 and confirmed in post 23 on the vote count.

Usually you are a rather down to earth logical player UM.
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Who is John Gult?

[Zag]

Mom, I had assumed, originally, that the first of the ones you quoted was written by Sentran as 'unvote. vote: Zag' as opposed to simply 'unvote.'

The spoilered one might simply have been overlooked by Amb. I know that I didn't notice it until he pointed it out.

I am quite sure he is being hacked or punked in some way. I am very sure that post 57, which now reads as follows, was originally a vote for me. I am positive I saw it that way.

[Sentran]

In a brief re-read, I noticed that my votes for Chaz, Jedo, and Rubberduck all went through. Shortly thereafter, all of my votes were subsequently changed to myself. I think that due to the 'feel' of their posts, Rubberduck is the most likely candidate, as I suspected him before my entire voting fiasco started. I will therefore be voting for him unless the game has other ideas.
Unvote
Vote: Sentran
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

[Zag]

[Zag]

Just in case it also gets changed, that was me quoting Sentran's vote for Rubberduck.

Sentran, you should vote for me now that I am no longer voting for you, just to see if that makes a difference.

[Sentran]

[Amb]

Note to ALL players: Unless you have express permission from me to post in invisible text, doing so is a modkillable offence and expressly disallowed. While I probably wont take that dramatic action, testing me out is not a good idea. I will let the invisible text so far slide.

[Lifeinmomland]

As of now the quote I did of Sentran's spoiler vote in my post still states Zag. It is interesting to note that when Sentran found a way around whomever is doing this to him, Amb stepped up and forbade it. Proof IMHO that Amb is the one editing the posts. Now I don't believe Amb would do this just for kicks so to me that is final proof that someone is doing this to him.

We may want to look at who is still voting him.
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Who is John Gult?

[Sentran]

Still undecided as to who is the perpetrator of the vote fix, UM or RubberDuck. I don't believe it was Zag, and I doubt it was Jedo.

The most obvious characters for this sort of shenanigans, to me, are Hana Gitelman, Micah Sanders, and the Puppetmaster.
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Sentran]

In further analysis and contemplation, the only one who I am sure is town is myself.

I also see that if someone quotes me before the posts are edited, the quotes are not edited, which tells me that this is a power directed at me, not at my posts. That lends to the Puppetmaster or Parkman powers more than the Gitelman or Micah powers.

I'm not really expecting that my votes will have gone to anyone other than myself, I just really like talking about myself.

Vote Sentran
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

[Quailman]

My guess is that someone inflicted this on Sentran, probably via PM. Whether the perpetrator is town (good) or not (evil) will be revealed later or in the endgame. If it's something someone can do via PM and it remains in effect the rest of the day, let's hope that he waits until a scum is outed (or at least generally agreed upon) before committing in the future.

But I think we're getting sidetracked by this Sentran nonsense. Why don't we get on with business, accepting that Sentran won't be able to contribute to a lymch today (at least - maybe longer) unless he's the target?

[Sentran]

Hmm... Vote: Sentran
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Undercover Monk]

It is after my FOS and Zags subsequent vote that Sentrans vote madness began. I just assumed that everything had switched so I have no idea what Amb is thinking but whatever it is I dont trust it. No way is it an active ability maybe he a suicidal mafia he gets a vote and then has to vote himself. Maybe hes a townie who was targetted by Doyle the puppetmaster. but again I doubt that Amb was sent a pm.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Sentran]

[RubberDuck]

If the scum had kill abilities and force voting abilities on other players, that would be massively over powering, they could rule day and night and unbalance the game. My guess is its probably a neutral player, who just picked Sentran for whatever reason and is sitting back laughing. I think if its a PM to Amb, then sentran probably can't change his vote for rest of this day. If its a parkman ability, which I think it possibly is, the odds are that the vote could be whatever the person decides, like Vote:Amb, Vote:Treestump or, player bob vote player mary or something,

If it were me in that position, getting Sentran to self-vote is stupid, it would have been better to grab a more silent player and change their vote to him, but then i'm only speculating on how it may work.

If it doesnt work like that, and all the person can do is make someone selfvote, the only useful (as opposed to annoying as hell) way to use it would be if the victim was 1 vote away from being lynched. If so, they were just trying to mess with sentran rather than actually kill him.

[Quailman]

Maybe he is just trying it out on day 1 and will put it to better use (target a different player) on subsequent days.

[Lifeinmomland]

UNVOTE; VOTE UNDERCOVER MONK

It is possible I am jumping at shadows now, but UM has always played the part of a reasonable person, and to my way of thinking is now ignoring the obvious signs (that Sentrans posts ARE being edited and that a mod has to be the one doing it because they do not show as being edited) and is still saying this can't be an ability cause he doesn't believe someone could PM the mod. THAT is not logical. Assuming no vanilla roles, which I find likely in a game based on Heroes we all have some sort of ability. We have proof in the quoted posts that the changes are happening. If it was within his role to switch over to a mod account and edit posts why would he edit his own? There are much simpler ways to handle the votes on him, and honestly when this all started I think there were only 2 votes on him, not a scary place to be on D1 with 8 needed to lynch. No, I just don't buy that UM still thinks his vote on Sentran is logical. [/u]

On another note, how do you even become a mod? How likely is it that AMB would set up another player as a mod because it relates to this single game. So perhaps we should be looking at people who hold MOD status. That is assuming of course that moderator is different than average player on this site, like it is with most forum sites.
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Who is John Gult?

[Lucresia]

To me it seems that obviously since the mod cannot review the thread 24/7 that he is changing the vote every time he sees it and he has a chance to edit it in the thread.

I think it is more likely that Sentran targeted someone with the power of going back and changing this vote and that he cannot do so after that.

[Lucresia]

[Quailman]

[Sentran]

[Jedo the Jedi]

This is quite the saga. I personally have seen Sentran vote for Zag twice now, both of the first two. He also currently has an unvote in the post above mine. I do not care to speculate on the game mechanics.

That said, Sentran is cleared in my book. He could have self-inflicted this, but I'll wait for time to tell. I think if the town really cares about this, we can just lynch Sentran and see what turns up. I don't mind that scenario.

I also am suspicious of Monk for reasons similar to Mom. They just read not normal. I'm not willing to throw my vote over there right now, but let's say I'm watching him.

Personally, I think a lynch on MNO or Sentran is fine. I only say MNO because that's where my vote is already and his bandwagon fizzled really nicely. Bear in mind, I'm not going to tolerate much more of this vote speculation because it does cease to be useful after a bit. If we do not collectively turn our attention to more productive things, I will move to get Sentran lynched and end the day.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Sentran]

[Lifeinmomland]

I guess you could see my posts and a defense of Sentran if you want to skew it, I don't know anything more about Sentran's role than what he has posted here. However it is telling that no one has stepped up and refuted his claim. Peter P. is not likely to be left off the character list in this game. Either way you just came off the list of people we should be looking at right now since as soon as you weighed in you took your vote off Sentran. Thereby at least acknowledging the issue at hand. UM on the other hand has posted several times, all within the time frame of the proofs of Sentran's vote wonkiness, and is still keeping his vote on Sentran. Rubberduck has yet to weigh-in either. In my book it can be either one of them that is scum riding this bandwagon. I think the issue of the changed votes is unsolvable at this point, but I feel strongly that this is a mafia move as it has caused a ton of speculation on every topic except who to lynch, (excepting of arguments about not lynching Sentran). I realize they would want to get to night as soon as possible, but perhaps this was a ploy to get the other bandwagons out of the possibilities list. Interesting that all other bandwagons came to a screeching halt when the Sentran issue started.

I still stand by the fact that if this were not the running topic of conversation someone whould have latched onto the fact that several players have posted so little as to have said nothing at all.
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Who is John Gult?

[cloudRunner]

I don't really have a lot to add regarding the recent turn of events.

I mean, from a technological standpoint, I don't think there is a hacker lurking out on the internet trying to sabotage posts made by user "Sentran" on a puzzle website's message board. It seems very clear to me that what is occurring with his votes is in fact related to this game and is happening for a reason.

I do however, disagree with Lucresia's train of thought regarding Lifeinmomland, especially after considering this bit (bolded):

[Sentran]

[Lifeinmomland]

I am pretty sure when the "hacker" theroy was posted it was ment within the game As that is some characters ability, as has been speculated Cloud.
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Who is John Gult?

[Zag]

[RubberDuck]

What do you mean by 'weigh in?' I certainly hope you aren't accusing me of lurking or not contributing. As far as voting goes, my reason for voting Sentran was based off his behaviour prior to the weird vote thing, not including it. How do you know this is scum behaviour? It could equally be a neutral ability. I seriously doubt the scum could have both kill powers and vote changes, thats just too unbalanced.
And like cloud runner says, the bandwagon that was on MNO was random, and it likely wouldn't have happened if Amb had put the correct number to lynch up. That would have shifted my day 1 vote to the next person on the list. A no lynch is not a good option like I said, when you lynch someone, and find out who they are, go back and catalog what they said, knowing their truth or lies, you use this to build evidence against other players comments. It reveals holes in what others have said and shows where the team play might be occuring.

I still think If he were Peter Petrelli, he'd be able to use the ability himself. If it was a day ability used on him, then he should only be able to use it during day as well. What good is being able to change a persons vote during the night. Seriously.

To be fair, we don't know how many roles amb has kept true to the show or restricted to balance the game, also, if you look at my posts, like many of us, I've clearly been thinking about roles and abilities that would cause this to happen, not attacking or accusing Sentran, nor focusing on the vote counts. Based upon the fact no-one has counter claimed Sentran, I will Unvote:Sentran

[cloudRunner]

Hahahaha, nice. Yeah I suppose that does make more sense as a theory. I work in the computer networking industry so talk of internet hacking isn't too outlandish for me to consider

With that in mind, it seems odd that such an ability could get activated in the middle of the day . I haven't watched more than a couple episodes of the show so I couldn't tell you which characters have abilities that specifically correlate to the time of day, but if Sentran was targetted for a reason, it must've occurred between posts 43 and 49, where he is successfully able to Vote RD and then votes himself, respectively.

Between these posts, I imagine someone messaged Amb to activate their ability. And since his vote on RD, it looks like all of Sentran's posts have been FUBAR.

Now this would lead you to think "Hey, maybe RubberDuck didn't like what Sentran was getting at and wanted to shut him up! He's the guy sabotaging him!" Well for one thing, Sentran wasn't the first person trying to off RD, as Quail puts up a vote for him in the post before.

So next let's move to Zag, who sees the vote on RD as suspect and calls out Sentran with the following:

[RubberDuck]

that was targetted at LIML

[cloudRunner]

My post is in repsonse to LIML and Sentran, I didn't see Zag's & RD's posts when I was composing my response.
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