V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Durryn]

Based in the logic of who posts... That would either point the finget at Sentran and Amb or MNOWAX and Silverfire......

Seeing as she has no-one else voting for her (therefore I would be first (which is probably a scumtell too) and not be really threatening) plus she voted for me

Vote Silverfire
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[itisally]

I am wondering about vote jumping. Looking over previous votes it seems Amb and Ctorj both jump around a lot.

Amb seems to be in day one form with his first vote on Rubberduck and Zag, and I can understand voting for the people who vote for you. In this case that is Sentran and Rubberduck. But something I can't put my finger on feels wrong.

Ctorj on the other hand votes Quailman as a typical nonsense start, then says Sentran is too helpful, voting for him.He is the first to vote for Amb and states clearly that it is to get a bandwagon rolling. (maybe too well for his liking).

My point is that this looks suspicous. Ctorj gets serious pretty quickly and he seems really upset that his bandwagon almost ended in a lynch, maybe because Rubberduck is scum and should have been paying attention. It could be why he voted for him, clearly leading where the discussion went from there.

Can someone poke holes in this for me?

For now: FOS: Ctorj, Rubberduck, Amb in that order
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[Sniklac16]

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #6:

2 Durryn (Silverfire, Sniklac16)
2 Rubberduck (Ctorj, Amb)
2 Zag (Lifeinmomland, Jedo the Jedi)
1 Amb (MNOWAX)
1 Ctorj (Quailman)
1 Sentran (Zag)
1 Silverfire (Durryn)

Not voting: Sentran , raekuul, RubberDuck, itisally

8 to Lynch!
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[raekuul]

Isn't MNOWAX usually much more talkative at this stage of the game?

[Quailman]

Sorry I got caught up with RL stuff. I'll have to catch up and post later today.

[Ctorj]

[Zag]

I've never really subscribed to that approach, though I don't object to it as much as I used to. I have to admit to not following this game as much as I have followed games in the past -- I'm just starting to burn out a bit. So, with little else to go on, I'm willing to go with a Lynch the Lurkers policy.

Of the two most lurkish, MNO and Silverfire, I feel more inclined to lynch MNO, for two reasons. First, lurking is especially unusual for him, so his doing it might be a scum-tell (though it wasn't last game). Second, Durryn is currently voting for Silverfire, and I have some suspicions about Durryn; I don't especially want to support his bandwagon.

vote: MNOWAX

[Sentran]

I decided to take another look at what has transpired thus far, and look for any apparent patterns in the way people are voting, specifically the ones that are supporting bandwagons too much to show any initiative or individuality. Here's what I found:

Amb, Jedo, MNOWAX, Rubberduck and Sniklac16 support bandwagons more than not.
itisally, LIML, Sentran and Zag have their lead and follow average split down the middle.
Ctorj and Durryn begin bandwagons more than they follow them.
Quailman, raekuul and Silverfire have not been involved in any bandwagons, except as the leader.

Of those the one that stands out (to me) the most is Sniklac16. He has not been the first to vote against anyone, and all 3 of his posts in this game were to add himself as the second vote in a potential bandwagon. Vote: Sniklac16 Unless something drastic happens within the next 24 hours, this vote will most likely stand until I return from camping sometime later Monday.
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[Amb]

I support bandwagons more often than not????

Surely the only bandwagon I have been on this game was yours Sentran. And from memory it didnt go anywhere, and didnt really have that much seriousness to it either.

[Sentran]

[Amb]

This one I understand: Post 36: Amb is the third vote for Sentran. I was bandwagonning you.

But: Post 26, Amb is the second vote for Zag (first was Quailman)
Context is really important. THere were around 8 individual votes, not that ive gone back to count, where there was no one with 2 votes. The only ways not to bandwagon were a) Dont vote at all or b) Vote for someone new. Adding a new vote to the large pile was ridiculous.

Also: Post 57: Amb is the third vote for Rubberduck (first was Ctorj, second was sniklac)
Hey I did FOS him, and I went back and spent some time thinking it through. I actually was only going to leave it at a FOS, but after thinking I upgraded.

To me: I have 1 clear bandwagon vote on you. 1 iffy one that could be taken as a bandwagon on RD if you really really wanted. But to call Zags one a bandwagon is just ..... well out of respect I wont say it.

[Sentran]

I suppose defining a bandwagon is a question of perspective and semantics. In this context, I used any vote that was not the initial vote on a player to be a bandwagon. Are you objecting to my use of the word bandwagon when referring to the second person in a voting group? Considering I did not use the data to place any FOS' or make any accusations other than my vote, I find your response interesting. You are quick to jump on my use of the word bandwagon and to defend yourself against an accusation that was not made.
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[Quailman]

Still catching up.

I don't consider a second vote bandwagoning, but that's my personal opinion. I've got to reconsider how amb got from 4 to 7 in 45 minutes following a vote count. It was on the next three posts, too, so you can't claim that they were overlooked. Well, you can, but WTF!

[Amb]

[itisally]

I too though you had to be third to for it to be a bandwagon. Thats why being the third vote is scummy right?
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[itisally]

I just noticed something.... When I hit reply last time the last post was from Quailman. It was a short message so it went pretty quickly. After I submitted I noticed that Amb had a post directly before me. Curious I looked at the time stamps and noticed 15 minutes between them. It made me wonder how fast my screen updates what others have posted. Could it be possible that Rubberduck really didn't see those other votes between the vote count and him?
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[RubberDuck]

Amb does a point, even if he'd had turned out to be scum we'd have nothing run on during day 2. That is assuming he'd been lynched before he dropped his hammer arguement on me for which I am more suspect of him. Making joke claims about being scum is always suspect to me no matter who does it because of reasons already stated. I can't tell if he is scum or just being deliberately difficult, and some are saying this is just "Amb behaviour"

[RubberDuck]

SIgh....

Am going to break my own rule now.

MNOWAX lurked on day one in the previous game as well, enough so that it got him lynched and he turned out to be the town roleblocker. Perhaps MNO is trying to make a new trend of behaviour. It is certainly different from the MNO I remember from a few years ago, but it is consistent with the previous game.

[Sentran]

Oh sure RD...
Next you'll be suggesting that people be allowed to have a life outside of Mafia games.
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[raekuul]

Yes, how dare we have jobs and families

[RubberDuck]

I was leaning more towards MNO's former behaviour, which was to shoot his mouth off so much that he ended up getting lynched. He's probably trying something different in tactics, but unfortunately in the last game he went to the opposite extreme and said so little that he got lynched.

[Sniklac16]

[Sentran]

[MNOWAX]

yeah I'm quite busy right at this moment, will give you more detail later on, but still pushing an Amb lynch.
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[Lifeinmomland]

I can think of multiple reasons that RD would not have known Amb was in a precarious position already, but most of them speak to his being not engaged in the game.

Amb's spin on RD's vote snafu was IMHO somewhat sarcastically delivered. I feel sarcasm is a tool wielded most cleverly in voice, but in text it flies like a lead balloon. I am inclined to at least acknowledge RD's point, concerning Amb's sarcastic reference to a mistype.

And now for something completely different...

Ctorj's vote on Amb was in line with his random day 1 silliness. Although it does standout a bit because he implied his Sentran vote was serious in post 18 and roughly 2 hours later he goes all wacky again for post 27. That drips of inconsistent, but well, it is day 1 so really there is only so much that can be read into that.

MNO's vote is another somewhat dismiss-able vote. On principle was his stated reason. I have to wonder at his foundation of principles, but given the slow roasting torture of last game, he may have a point about it being a matter of principle. (NOTE: I AM BEING FACITIOUS concerning the principles involved in lynching AMB)

Then we come to Zag, who states his vote is semi serious based to the perpetuation of evil myths concerning odds. As a note, this is IMO the first vote I find questionable on AMB. Zag was in all likelihood being sarcastic... but then you know my thoughts on that.

Itisally chimes in now with post 40 and a rather good point concerning statistics and games. For now I see nothing particularly odd or scummy in her vote, but the game is early yet... she may show her true colors yet. On a scum note this vote could easily be a considered a good position for a scum to jump in as it is not a particularly scummy but has the potential to keep a bandwagon moving.

Next we have the quick succession of Durryn, Sentran, and RD. This has struck most people as odd. In approx. 23 minutes AMB gets nearly railroaded. Followed by a retraction on RD's vote.

All that plus continuing lack of conversation leads me to believe I shall keep my vote in place on Zag. He accused Sentran of "trying to hard" for a reasoning on voting Amb, but IMHO he is the one reaching for reasons.

I do intend to look at the brief Sentran wagon as well, but I am supposed to be studying for a math test... so TTFN.

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[Zag]

I would never accuse someone of "trying to hard." Of course, I'd accuse him of "trying too hard." Also, with MNO speaking up, I don't feel inclined to vote for him any more. So OMGUS, vote LIML.

[Lifeinmomland]

[Lifeinmomland]

*zots Zag with electricity*

After 2 hours of studying math, I am lucky I was using all my words and not drooling in a corner. ( I HATE MATH) so no making fun of my grammatical errors.
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[RubberDuck]

You could type in binary algebra if it helps get it out of your system.

[Durryn]

I will be gone until Monday, and there is no reason for goofy votes or ect. Folks are getting a little too serious about voting, especially for day one. At least for my understanding of the workings of this game. So for now Unvote; Vote: No Lynch
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[Amb]

Mod: I request permission to edit, or have someone edit LIML's post which is wrecking the page width.

[Lucresia]

Please do, as unfortunately I do not have that ability. Thanks Amb
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[Sniklac16]

I took care of it
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[Lucresia]

Vote Count #7:

2 Durryn (Silverfire, Sniklac16)
2 Rubberduck (Ctorj, Amb)
2 Zag (Lifeinmomland, Jedo the Jedi)
1 Amb (MNOWAX)
1 Ctorj (Quailman)
1 Lifeinmomland (Zag)
1 Sniklac16 (Sentran)
1 No Lynch (Durryn)

Not voting: raekuul, RubberDuck, itisally

Holiday Leave of Absences until Monday/Tuesday:
Sentran, Lifeinmomland, itisally, Durryn, Jedo the Jedi

8 to Lynch! (Edited to correctly display Sentran's vote)
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[itisally]

No lynch??? Durryn, what are you doing?

Anyway. I have been reading carefully today and I am still unmoved. I don't want to leave my vote haphazardly for 4 days so I am going to leave it as it is. Have a good weekend and I will "see" you all Tuesday.
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[raekuul]

I don't know enough about Durryn, itisally, or Rubberduck to say for certain whether how they're behaving fits in with what I'd expect of them, but I really didn't expect MNO to go for so long without jumping around from wagon to wagon. Maybe he's trying something new. Who knows?

I'm not really seeing anything major jump out at me from anyone right now, it's all just us being a bunch of long-tailed cats in a room full of rocking chairs at the moment.

So, I guess I need to do some sham of an analysis to make this post have a point. Of the three players with the most votes on them, Durryn, Rubberduck, and Zag... well, let me go on

Amb's bandwagon built up fast and collapsed almost as fast. Starting from #41, we have Durryn, Sentran, and Rubberduck all voting for Amb within 40 minutes of the vote count. Thankfully (unlike in Sopranos Mafia's day one), the hammer wasn't dropped before the person being voted for could defend himself.

Strike one against Rubberduck:

[Sentran]

[Lucresia]

Sorry Sentran, not sure how I missed that one. It has now been updated to reflect your vote.
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[MNOWAX]

Unvote Vote: Durryn.

There is NO reason why we should be no lynching here.

And Rae, Just cause i haven't been here much this week has no bearing on how much wagon jumping i'll be doing this weekend!
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