V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Quailman]

...and whose word do we have that Ctorj is a Mafia-only tracker? Wouldn't that make him an uber-cop, if he only gets a result when his target is Mafia and he learns who that guy targeted?

[Ctorj]

[MNOWAX]

you got back a result, N1, didn't you?
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[Zag]

[Zag]

Ctorj, I'm confused. You said a while ago that you had cleared MNO. Now you're voting for him. Could you recap what was said, what you thought, and what you think now?

For the record, I'm inclined to believe Ctorj's claim. I thought he was innocent first because of his vote for Durryn. His (and Silverfire's) vote was in the exact position that a fellow scum would not have done it. From LIML's info, I was ready for his claim to be what he was, the V doctor. Contrary to what Jedo said, Joshua (the character Ctorj claims) is pro-human the entire first season, and for most of the second season. Only in the brief time when he had lost his memory was he anything else -- that was only 3 shows, tops. I'm pretty sure that there are no other V doctors who are named characters, that is the doctor role that I really expected to see, and I really doubt for it to be a scum role.

So, I've read over the thread, but it's getting long and I skimmed a bit. Ctorj, if you could recap the essential part between you and MNO, I'd appreciate it.

[MNOWAX]

He can't keep his story straight. plain and simple. Lynch all Liars.
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[Zag]

Not to worry. I was planning to ask you for a rebuttal. But just attacks won't do it. I want facts.

[MNOWAX]

ok

Fact: I have one time lynch or NK protection.
Fact: N1 I didn't protect anyone
Fact:At the morning of D2, I was told that I was attacked but I was saved by my one time NK/lynch protection.
Fact: Ctorj Claims to have visited me that night.

Therefore, Ctorj tried to kill me, but failed. Now he's just covering his tracks, and can't even keep his story straight.
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[Quailman]

A role-blocker who only blocks mafia, not cop or doc, and finds out if his target is scum is too powerful.

Vote:Ctorj

[Amb]

Well I find it highly odd that Ctorj can have claimed doctor while the newsfeed clearly places him in medical.

Vote Ctorj

But I will not be impressed if you are wrong about this MNO.

[Amb]

And if I am right, thats L-1. No mistakes this time ducky.

[raekuul]

unvote

I've been going back and forth between wanting to stay voting Sentran (which right now seems to be about as good an idea as a frying pan made out of liquid nitrogen), and wanting to join in on the Ctorj bandwagon.

Ctorj's claim is unbelievable, since it's basically "Yeah, I'm a roleblocker, but I don't block town roles." If Ctorj is telling the truth, then either we've got a stronger mafia side than we suspected at first, or else the Mod doesn't know the first thing about game balance.

Since that sort of claim should make anyone nervous, I'll go ahead and drop the hammer today.

vote: Ctorj

All I'll say after this is that, if Ctorj comes out to be innocent, then MNO will go to the top of my suspicion list.

[Lucresia]

A lynch has been reached. Please stop any discussion. Death Scene soon to follow.

Final Vote Count - Day 3

7 Ctorj (Sniklac16, RubberDuck, MNOWAX, Jedo the Jedi, Quailman, Amb, raekuul)
1 MNOWAX (Ctorj)
1 Quailman (Sentran)

Not voting: Zag, Lifeinmomland, itisally,

A lynch has been reached
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[Lifeinmomland]

So, you people who are all about lynching Ctorj, this is my view of the things that have been said and done thus far. I should tell you usually I try to avoid what I feel is defending someone, but I am looking here to have someone debunk my thoughts to my satisfaction here.

Day 1 lynch of mafia (SWEET!)

Night 1 no deaths – Here is where I start to get lost on people’s take on the events. Ctorj said he targeted MNO night one. If we go by the info he gave us, added to what MNO has said I come up with a different answer than apparently most of you. My take on it is Ctorj targeted MNO and was told by the mod he was unsuccessful, meaning the person he followed was not mafia. (This per the info ctorj gave about his role rules). This same night, a mafia member visited MNO and tried to kill him, but failed due to his protection. Here are quote that have contributed to my view.

Ctorj quote
If I spy on a mafia, I can randomly stop their action. I won't be told what it was, only if they go out to kill. If they are not mafia, then I will be told I was unsuccessful.

At this point we have MNO claiming he was targeted at night, which was told to him by the mod.

If Ctorj had targeted someone at night and was mafia, why would he admit it while claiming town? Isn’t that more convoluted than MNO trying to out mafia by claiming a false night attack? Now add to that the person he claimed to follow ended up dead. IF he were mafia, he would know he could claim to follow a select group of people because he is mafia and therefore KNOWS who town is. WHY would he claim to follow people who he knew could make him look guilty? That is way too much WIFOM. IF he were mafia he could easily say he followed +++++ and +++++ and both follows were unsuccessful, which confirms them as town. If he were mafia he losses nothing with this false claim, unless the people he follows have something happen to them. WHICH THEY DID BEFORE HIS CLAIM so he would have known to choice other people.

Some of you are basing your arguments on your view of game balance, and to that I say… get real you are not the mod. In at least two games I have been in, people have speculated on “game balance” and what can or cannot be balanced. I say to you this. If the mafia have a 1 shot end the day, why can the town not have a player who can choice to follow someone and possibly block their action IF he manages to catch a mafia (of which is low odds despite my dislike of bringing odds into this exampled by not getting any mafia yet and still assuming he is telling the truth).

So riddle me this. What if the mafia decided to throw a wrench in the works? Remember their goal is to kill as many as possible while giving us as little information as possible. They throw their 1 shot ( we hope) day ender out there cause they have already lost 1 and have nothing to show for it.

Things were slowing down on Itisally, and MIGHT have picked up on Ctorj and by their timing they managed to throw even more suspicion on Ctorj AND take out a town.

Just saying.

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[Lifeinmomland]

Crap sorry, I was typing for a loing time I should have checked the posts before I hit submit.
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[Lucresia]

After some heavy discussion, the town came to a conclusion. "There's no way you are a spy on the side of the fifth column, Ctorj, it would be way to difficult to spy on them. If we could spy on them, Anna would already be defeated!

"Ï swear it's the truth!" exclaims Ctorj

"LIES!" yells the mob. "We can't trust you, we just can't. Ctorj, it's just better to be safe than sorry later".

The town grabs Ctorj, AKA Joshua (Visitor turned Fifth Column/Town - Spy) and hangs him in the courtyard.

Without any escape attempt made my Joshua, it is now clear that the town made a mistake. A valuable ally was lost today.

Ctorj, AKA Joshua (Visitor turned Fifth Column/Town - Spy) is now dead. Night Choices ASAP Please.
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[Lucresia]

"Hello, Chad Decker here, always first on the scene with any news on the V's! The Concordia Gala is tonight and with the recent anger towards the visitors from people calling themselves "the fifth column" as well as some missing people, secuity is tight. The FBI fifth Column task force is offerring their services to protect violence at the Gala.

Wait a second, I am getting breaking news - just in! We have word of another missing person! Screaming was heard last night from Amb's house. A struggle, but no body has yet been found. This is similar to the last disappearance and the FBI are suggesting that the same people may be behind the disappearance..."

<In private cell quarters of the mothership>

Amb, AKA Lisa, Visitor Princess/Fifth Column/Town (Mason Leader) is sitting on a bench in a futuristic cell. Anna walks up to the barrier to yell at her daughter. Frustrated in her behavior, but there was even more frustration about something else. "Tyler refused the request to be a pilot for us, apparently you have shared too much information with this human. No matter, we have others chosen that should also be able to complete the job." Scared, but happy to know her boyfriend is alive and not captured by Anna, she is at least at peace in her cell.

Amb, AKA Lisa, Visitor Princess/Fifth Column/Town (Mason Leader) has been kidnapped and locked up by the Visitors. He is now considered to be out of the game.

It is now Day 4. With 10 alive, it's 6 to Lynch!
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[Amb]

Avenge me!

[Sentran]

Dammit! I go away to a rifle range, and when I come back Ctorj has been lynched and it's night time. I think it may be time for a mass claim. I specifically want to see more from raekuul and Rubberduck.
FOS: raekuul and Rubberduck
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Jedo the Jedi]

That blows. I wanted Amb alive today.

Well, Rubberduck is scum. We can either lynch him today or let our vig kill him tonight while we hunt for his buddy. I'll go ahead and slap my vote down as a place holder.

vote Rubberduck
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Sniklac16]

Personally I think since ctorj came back innocent, then its pretty obvious that mnowax is scum and that he might of been protected by his scum buddies night 1 which is why he survived. Im going to vote mnowax Also put a fos rubberduck he seems very suspicious too and I wanna know why jedo thinks hes scum
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[MNOWAX]

Jedo, it should be obvious to vote me. Y U NOT VOTE MNOWAX?

Seriosuly, I should be the first suspect on everyone's list today. Anyone who isn't is scum. I'm the perfect lynch candidate to allow the town to throw up on the noose.

Vote: Jedo the Jedi
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[Sentran]

As I said yesterday, I think both Ctorj and MNO were telling the truth. We need to look elsewhere for the scum.
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[Sentran]

Apologies for the double post, I have more time to post today than I have over the past few days, and thankfully it's now daytime so I have something to do.

Of the original 14 players, 4 are dead, 4 others have claimed, and I believe I've figured out a few others. Of those I still suspect, in addition to raekuul and Rubberduck (as I already stated), I would like to add Quailman to my FOS list. I hope to get more input from other players soon.
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[raekuul]

...mason leader? So, like, that's recruiting more masons, right?

I'm inclined to agree with Sentran about MNOWAX and Ctorj. MNOWAX probably thought that he was counter-claiming when he claimed doc (did I misunderstand?). If this is the case, then I'm more likely to take MNO at his word since he honestly would have thought Ctorj was lying scum.

I have a few questions I'd like answered, and I'll be happy to answer questions you may have of me... provided you cooperate.

First: Jedo, you seem quite certain that Rubberduck is scum. I also think I know why you're so confident. My only question for you right now is why you're operating under the assumption that we have a vigilante when there's no evidence to support that.

Second: MNOWAX, are you asking for us to lynch you, or asking us to lynch the first person not to vote for you? I'll admit that you still being alive is fishy enough as is, but from how Jedo's talking I get the feeling that it would be a very very very bad idea to follow through with that right now.

Third: Sniklac, why does it have to be an either-or situation?

Fourth: Sentran, will this post suffice, or would you prefer I claim as well?

[Sentran]

I think that will suffice for now, but I'm still not sure about you (just less unsure). Snik is another wild card that I haven't got a good read on yet. With the people that have posted so far, combined with what I already believe, I'm willing to Vote: Rubberduck
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[Zag]

Post-preview add: I apologize for the eye-bleeding wall of text. However, I've a lot to say, and, I think we will blow this all open pretty quickly. Please, all you townies, read it all.

Well, damn! I'd like to say for the record that Amb is an idiot, and possibly raekuul. Amb, my mason buddy (since I've already claimed that I was recruited into a mason group), went ahead and put Ctorj at L-1 when he could see that I was supporting him, or at least trying to probe deeper. I was pretty sure before the lynch that Ctorj was innocent, as you can see from several posts I made yesterday. I accuse Amb of idiocy more than raekuul, because he knew I was innocent and therefore not blowing smoke; and he should have let me finish the process.

Anyway, now that my hot girlfriend is out of reach, I'll claim, and I can't believe that anyone won't believe me. I'm Tyler Evans. I started out as a V Ambassador (LIML can confirm this role from her news broadcast) with a pretty funny power. I was supposed to pick one person each night, and that person would be told by the mod that a randomly chosen Mafia member was innocent. That is, I would be spreading misinformation, but possibly useful misinformation. (Since I knew who would receive the misinformation, when that person came out the next day strongly supporting someone as innocent, I'd know that person is guilty.) I wasn't allowed to claim this role until now.

On the first night, I was blocked and couldn't use my power. Also on the first night, I was recruited by Amb, which meant I did not have the power anymore (perhaps that was enough to block me, though I did find out that my power was blocked before I agreed to be recruited, so I suspect I was actually blocked). Amb's recruiting was only for certain roles -- I personally suspect that it was the townie roles who are NOT Fifth column, or possibly even more restrictive than that. I know that there was only one more person for him to recruit, and that he didn't succeed in finding one on the second night.

Rubberduck, you were the person he tried to recruit on the second night, and was unsuccessful. I'm inclined to believe it is because you are scum, but I'm willing to hear what you have to say. I'll be voting this way soon, most likely.

We have these claims so far:
Sentran: Kyle Hobbes
MNOWAX: Father Jack Landry, the Military Chaplain. aligned with the Fifth Column, one-time doc
Lifeinmomland: Chad Decker, makes a night choice which influences morning news
Zag: Tylor Evans, former V Ambassador

Of these, I am inclined to believe them all, but I'm only 100% sure of myself and LIML. From the newscast and my knowledge of the show, I'm pretty sure that the person LIML targeted last night can safely be cleared, too. LIML, you probably shouldn't say unless that person is in danger of getting lynched.

[Sentran]

Zag, not only do I believe you, but I'd figured it out from the news reports. I was unsure of Amb's role, but that information led me to deduce a few others as well. Of the 10 left alive, I believe I know who 5 of them are, with a strong possibility of a 6th. I realize I'm painting myself into a corner and may end up killed tonight, but it will save others for one more night and hopefully lead to a town win.
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[Ctorj]

Bah! Avenge me townies!!
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[Jedo the Jedi]

MNO, I'll only say this once: shut up.

@rae: We have a vigilante. You need not worry about anything more.

@Zag: Duck is scum. He shouldn't even bother to talk today.

What we really need to decide today (as I alluded to earlier) is whether we want to lynch Duck today or let our vig pop him tonight. I think it could be extremely useful (and probably more beneficial) if we hunt for Duck's buddy because the other person is Anna and may have some GF abilities which might prevent investigation or night kill. (There may in fact be four of them, but we'll have to cross that bridge later.)

My list of suspects is (in no particular order):
Quail
Ally
rae
Snik

Can anybody clear any of these? This is our list for possible scum.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[MNOWAX]

Confirm Vote: Jedo

I was counter claiming Ctorj. I didn't think in a million years that he would come up as anything but scum. sorry dude.

serious business now. I am not a one time doc, i am a doc. if we have a vig , we need to protect him and or cop. who should i be protecting?

Unvote, Vote RubberDuck
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[Sentran]

Jedo, I'm fairly convinced of itisally's innocence. I can't prove it, or say more without giving up more than I need to. I understand and agree with the rest of your suspect list and assessment though, including your number one suspect, which is why I'm currently voting duck. My question to you is how long should the day progress? I understand the need to get more information, but at what point do you feel extending the day and prolonging the conversation will fail to yield anything useful?
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[Lucresia]

Vote Count #1 - Day 4

3 RubberDuck (Jedo the Jedi, Sentran, MNOWAX)
1 MNOWAX (Sniklac16)

Not voting: itisally, Lifeinmomland, Quailman, raekuul, RubberDuck, Zag

Extended Absence: Quailman (Out of town for the weekend, won't be back till at least late Sunday or Monday)

6 to Lynch!
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[Zag]

I'm inclined to take down the known scum when we can. I don't know how you know about a possible vig, since there hasn't been a vig kill yet, and I don't want to count on it. He might be blocked, or ducky might be immune, or whatever. I'm pretty convinced for a number of reasons that the duck needs to swing, but I still want to hear from him. Jedo, you were equally confidant about lynching me and Amb not that long ago. Perhaps, if you want to be taken more seriously when you do have some reason to be sure, you should be more honest in the times that you are not 100% confidant.

I have learned a little more from the mod in response to a question. I knew already that itisally was the person Amb tried to recruit last night. I know that he did get to make the attempt before being killed and that he didn't succeed. However, I don't know whether that failure was because he was roleblocked or because itisally is not the right person that he would have been able to recruit. Note that this does not mean she is scum, only that she isn't the one person remaining whom Amb could have recruited.

Brief recap
Day 1, Bandwagon on Amb (known townie)
Ctorj, MNOWAX, Zag, itisally, Durryn, Sentran, Rubberduck, (unvote)RubberDuck, (unvote)Zag, bandwagon collapses

Day 1, Lynch of Durryn (known scum)
Sniklac16, RubberDuck, Zag, Amb, Silverfire, Ctorj, MNOWAX, Quailman (itisally tries to add an extra vote, and claims she didn't understand about all votes and unvotes being ignored after a majority is reached.)

No night kill

Day 2: Minor bandwagon on itisally
Sentran, Zag, Amb, Sniklac16, (unvote)Snick, (unvote)Sentran, Quailman, Sentran

Day 2 ends with a bliss (presumably)

Night 2, Silverfire night-killed

Day 3: Lynch of Ctorj (known townie)
Sniklac16, RubberDuck, MNOWAX, Jedo the Jedi, Quailman, Amb, raekuul

Night 3: Amb night-killed

I have some inklings that I have drawn from this, but I'm going to wait to say them. I will say that I have a suspect that I put above Rubberduck, though he is still high on my list.

[Sentran]

Zag, I was also thinking that we should take out scum whenever possible, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't alone in that thought.
Why has the vig not killed yet? How about because he's a day vig with only one shot, and wanted to be sure of his target.
Kill: Rubberduck
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[MNOWAX]

he better be scum. Jedo, You'd better be right!
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[Lucresia]

Please stop all discussion at this time. The day is over. Death scene soon to follow.
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[Lucresia]

Rubberduck, was minding his own business, strolling through the courtyard and little did he realize he was the main topic for discussion.

<Town banter can now be heard i nthe distance>
"I am sure that Rubberduck is involved with these disappearances, we hang him as soon as he gets here." "How can you be so sure?"

As Rubberduck, AKA Thomas, Visitor Chief Engineer for Concordia (Mafia Goon) gets closer to the arguing, he realizes it's probably better for him to get back to the Mothership.

Sentran, atop the clocktower, was already waiting for him.

Rubberduck starts running in the other direction, when suddenly he falls to the ground. Rubberduck has been shot in the head.

Rubberduck, AKA Thomas, Visitor Chief Engineer for Concordia (Mafia Goon) is dead. It is now night. Please provide choices ASAP.
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[RubberDuck]

Oh look at that, havent looked at the game in a week and I'm dead. Meh.

[Lucresia]

Day will probably begin tomorrow, I am waiting on one response from someone and then we will start. Deadline is at 24 hours.
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