V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[Lucresia]

sorry for the delay past the 24 hr mark. Day will start momentarily.
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[Lucresia]

"Hi Chad Decker here, reporting. Sometimes no news is good news. No disappearances last night and everyone seems to be able to sleep easy. We can only pray that the disappearances will end for good. With all the disappearances the best advice we can provide to cope with these tragedies is to embrace your feelings and do good with them."

It is now Day 5. With no deaths last night there are 9 alive and it is 5 to Lynch!
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[raekuul]

Hmm, that's surprising. I would have thought that MNOWAX would have been killed now that he's been revealed. I can only hope that this means that we have more ways of stopping the mafia rather than MNOWAX being mafia.

[Zag]

Updated from yesterday

We have these claims so far. I feel close to 100% about these (including, of course, myself. YMMV, but I think I've been pretty well cleared.
Sentran: Kyle Hobbes:
Lifeinmomland: Chad Decker, makes a night choice which influences morning news
Zag: Tylor Evans, former V Ambassador
Jedo: Not claimed, but clearly led the removal of Rubberduck, and I have no doubts about him

and the most special claim engine, MNOWAX:
Father Jack Landry, the Military Chaplain. I'm alined with the Fifth Column / Town. I'm a doc, with one time lynch / NK protection.

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I started this post pretty convinced that MNO had played us all for fools. However, in the course of trying to document it, I have come to the conclusion that he is, in fact, telling the truth. I think.

Here's what I had so far, until I had changed my mind about him.

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MNO dropped the hammer on Durryn

Father Jack Landry, the Military Chaplain. aligned with the Fifth Column, one-time doc

Post 195, he claimed he was dropping the hammer on Durryn, but it wasn't actually. This might have been an honest mistake, or it might have been a ploy. Either way, it doesn't clear him -- it would hardly be the first time a first day lynch of a scum was hammered by his scum buddy.

Post 225, early on day 2, MNO flips both middle fingers at the scum.
Post 236 (only 4 hours later! I hadn't realized that before): "no one is listening to me. hey scum! did you like targetting me?"

If 225 were really a ploy to get a scum to react to him, wouldn't he have waited more than 4 hours?

Next post, RubberDuck (known scum) asks about it. This could easily have been scripted.
253: he votes RubberDuck. It's an early vote on him and could be distancing. However, his explanation of why in 256 seems real.

278: Claim #1: MNO claims that he was told that he was targeted.

286: Another attack on RubberDuck. I have a little problem seeing this as distancing.

288: Claim #2: MNO claims to be GOD. (Ok, I'm kidding here. This was not meant as a claim within the game.)

Quoting this one so I don't ruin its context. Of course, remember that Ctorj is known Town.

[Jedo the Jedi]

What I have to say is something is fishy. I got no result. Either we have a bone-headed townie, or the mafia have some sort of role-block ability still.

Ugh. I have waited and waited and checked and checked wanting that result and to finish up this game today, but I don't think we will have that opportunity.

I still think it's too early for a mass claim, though we do have quite a few claimed already that it might not be much of a difference. All I'm saying is if MNO is the doc, he better be protecting me every night until his death. Also, we need to find whoever prevented me.

I do want to say, I don't think that was the right move to make yesterday, Sentran. You didn't give me a chance to respond back, you didn't allow day to go on for very long so we could get discussion and reactions, and consequently, we didn't have the opportunity to find Anna like I suggested we do. Still, I think we should inspect the people on my list, re-posted here for convenience:

itisally
raekuul
Quailman
Sniklac

I will not accept any clearing of these people except through PR information, Mom's stuff doesn't cut it for me. As much as people want to clear Ally, I think the fact that Amb couldn't recruit her is more telling than not. Her place at the top of this list is not coincidental.

Speaking of Mom, why was there no news information from her?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Sentran]

I'm sorry Jedo, but I had my reasons for ending the day early. Raekuul suggested that maybe the scum have a roleblocking ability, we had no kill last night, and we received no info from LIML's post. Perhaps the scum, rahter than killing, roleblocked LIML to keep us all in the dark? I'm just guessing.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

(I just checked. Jedo's list of suspects is, in fact, everyone still alive who was not on my list. I wanted to make sure no one falls through the cracks.)

I think it's time for a mass claim, at least of role names. Our main power roles have been outed (unless the remaining scum are complete idiots), so I don't think it will hurt, especially. Because there are a relatively small number of named characters in the show, the obvious scum roles (Anna, Sarita Malik, Ryan's daughter) will have to reach pretty far to find a safe claim. Unfortunately, there are a few characters whose allegiance is unclear, even if we know their role name.

LIML, any thoughts on why you didn't produce anything interesting for us in the news? Whom did you target?

[itisally]

I am going to be gone for a couple of days so I want to give you guys the information I have. Don't want to let the bad guys get away in my absence.


Lets start with a full claim. I already told you that I was Town/fifth column. My name is Ryan Nichols, visitor, and I am a roleblocker. I hope you can understand my hesitancy to give all the information earlier, but my findings have become pertinant (finally )

The reason that Zag got nothing the first night was because I blocked him. Can't say I am sorry about that sorting through misinformation would be a pain. I also blocked him the second night because I thought maybe the no night kills was because I blocked him, but he got recruited.

Night 3 I blocked Amb. seems we were on each others minds because I blocked him recruiting me. :sigh: Too bad, being recruited would have cleared me nicely.

So that brings me to last night.
I sat down with the claims and who I believed, and who had neatly avoided even a partial claim and came up with this

fos list
raekuul
Quailman
Sniklac16 

After checking my list seemed to be consistent with people who I knew to be town (though they may have had me on their list). I thought Raekuul was particularly suspicious because of a lac of content, restating of others conclusions, and strange outbursts of inconsistent emotion.

Therefore I blocked him and was successful.

While I know that it isn't conclusive because the mafia may have done something else over night, I do find it compelling enough to put my vote down as I am going to be gone until Saturday night.

vote:Raekul

I am curios about how this interacts with LIML's report being absent. Is it possible Mafia had two night actions and one was a role block. Or is it possible she targeted someone who had no action and there fore there was no news.

I hope this is helpful, catch some scum while I am gone.
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[itisally]

I am going to be gone for a couple of days so I want to give you guys the information I have. Don't want to let the bad guys get away in my absence.


Lets start with a full claim. I already told you that I was Town/fifth column. My name is Ryan Nichols, visitor, and I am a roleblocker. I hope you can understand my hesitancy to give all the information earlier, but my findings have become pertinant (finally )

The reason that Zag got nothing the first night was because I blocked him. Can't say I am sorry about that sorting through misinformation would be a pain. I also blocked him the second night because I thought maybe the no night kills was because I blocked him, but he got recruited.

Night 3 I blocked Amb. seems we were on each others minds because I blocked him recruiting me. :sigh: Too bad, being recruited would have cleared me nicely.

So that brings me to last night.
I sat down with the claims and who I believed, and who had neatly avoided even a partial claim and came up with this

fos list
raekuul
Quailman
Sniklac16 

After checking my list seemed to be consistent with people who I knew to be town (though they may have had me on their list). I thought Raekuul was particularly suspicious because of a lac of content, restating of others conclusions, and strange outbursts of inconsistent emotion.

Therefore I blocked him and was successful.

While I know that it isn't conclusive because the mafia may have done something else over night, I do find it compelling enough to put my vote down as I am going to be gone until Saturday night.

vote:Raekul

I am curios about how this interacts with LIML's report being absent. Is it possible Mafia had two night actions and one was a role block. Or is it possible she targeted someone who had no action and there fore there was no news.

I hope this is helpful, catch some scum while I am gone.
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.

[Zag]

Well, I knew Ryan Nichols had to be in the game, and I also knew that he is one of the ones whose allegiance is uncertain. For most of season 2, he is actually working for the V because Anna is blackmailing him (by holding his baby hostage). However, he never really wants to support the V, and he never gives up the names of his fellow 5th column members (which always struck me as an obvious thing Anna should have forced from him).

Anyway, I am willing to believe your justification, depending on what LIML has to say and the other claims. Assuming nothing significant comes out, I'm going to join you in a vote of raekuul, who was high on my list, anyway.

raekuul, would you like to defend yourself and/or claim?

[raekuul]

What can I say? I'm Valerie Stevens, generic townie.

[Sentran]

Ally's claim also goes along with what I believed to be correct. I had a strong guess that she was Ryan, and her claim does not surprise me in the least. MNO's claim still seems a bit dubious, but far less suspicious than the other 3 that Ally mentioned. However, I will Vote: Quailman
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Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Lifeinmomland]

Alright, so according to Lucresia, my role DID succeed last night. She said I was not blocked I would just have to try harder to figure out the role. Here is my suggestion. If a cop investigates a Godfather he comes up town. Maybe that is what happened here.

I reported on Quailman.

I don't have time to go back over the posts right now, but I am hoping by putting this info out there I can get some input on what other roles could give me a report like this.


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Who is John Gult?

[Zag]

[Sentran]

Quailman already reported in the restricted access thread that he would have no access today. I don't expect to see a response from him until at least tomorrow. What about Snik the silent?
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Quailman]

I just got back into town. The first thing that jumps out at me is raekuul's quick vote for me, even though the people who apparently have worthwhile powers were waiting to see who claimed what (Okay, itisally didn't wait).

I am Diana. I am aligned with the town. I want Diana dead.

I am ready to vote for raekuul, but like Sentran, I'd like to hear from Sniklac.

[Quailman]

d'oh!

[Sniklac16]

Based on what was said by LIMl im ready to vote quailman and also would like to point out that raekuul made a post only an hour after day started like he was watching the game and purposely posted enough time after day started to not seem suspicious so fos raekuul as for my claim im simply Joe Evans - Friendly Neighbor
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[Zag]

[raekuul]

Assuming, of course, the person he did reveal himself to isn't already dead...

[Quailman]

I need to stop using the stupid iPad. I can't read it very well, and I have to concentrate so hard on just using the keyboard that I don't pay close attention to what I am typing.

It was Sentran who voted for me - not raekuul.

LIML - the morning report said "Hi Chad Decker here, reporting. Sometimes no news is good news." There is no news because I am vanilla town. Sorry you didn't get anything more definitive in your update.

We have four claims already today.

Sniklac - supposedly a Friendly Neighbor, who could communicate his townieness to at least one other player. In addition to the fact that that player might be dead, he could have told a scum, who would not vouch for him. We need to know who, if anyone, he has told.

Me - I am who I am with no special powers.

raekuul - He says he's a vanilla townie also.

Itisally - a claimed roleblocker who says she targeted raekuul last night, a night in which there was no kill.

We also have MNOWAX, who has claimed to be a doc and may have prevented a kill last night. I'd like to know who MNO protected.

I wish I had waited for Snik to claim since Zag had mentioned that my role was likely to be in this game. If he needed to fake it he might have chosen Diana.

Snik's eagerness to put the second vote on me, along with claiming a very minor role, makes me suspect him. Itisally's claimed blocking of raekuul makes me suspect him. Not ready to vote at least until I hear from MNO.

[preview edit] I just fixed four typos, though I don't think I made any more misstatements of facts. I need voice recognition software.[/pe]

[raekuul]

I think we can rule out him revealing himself to a mafia member, based on the fact that he's still alive.

[MNOWAX]

For obvious reasons, I will not tell who i protected lastnight, but rest assured, I am pretty sure i stopped the kill (granted i have no proof of that)

I don't know who to believe, but i am pretty sure that there are not vanilla townies in this game, so i'm going to vote Raekuul. Unfortunately, i don't have too much to go on, even for me randomly accusing someone.
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MNOWAX

[Quailman]

So you think you stopped the kill and itisally thinks she stopped the kill. Itisally is going with the person she blocked (so are you), but if you are a legit doc, the person you protected might have been attacked by someone else. At least we'd know who another innocent is.

[Jedo the Jedi]

I'm leaving town now. Be back Sunday.

A few things before I go:
- Somebody still prevented me from getting a result. Something isn't right.
- MNO, you can't possibly know that.
- Please don't lynch anybody before I return. There is too much to sift through, and I think we need to take it slowly to process it all.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[raekuul]

I'm going to be out of town starting from this post and ending... probably some time next week. I will not have access to the game once I make this post (unless I get lucky and find a computer with internet access)

Jedo: Welcome to Denmark.

Quailman: Why can't they both have stopped a kill? Also, I see your point about wanting to go after power roles sooner, but I still don't think he revealed himself to a mafia member. Had that happened, then the Mafia probably would have tried to get a bandwagon going on him the following day. There would be some reaction to scum knowing a 'safe' target, whether a night-kill or a day-wagon.

MNOWAX: If you have no proof that you stopped the kill, then don't go parading around the idea that you did.

Sniklac: How many times can you reveal yourself, who have you revealed yourself to, do you know the message that gets sent when you do reveal yourself, and if so what is it?

Zag: It may or may not have been a one-time event, that remains to be seen. And as for how strong my claim is or isn't, that's my claim and I'm sticking to it.

Momland: You may have something there, but Diana is not known to the humans. It makes sense that the role would give a garbage report, at least as long as an Anna role is in play.

Ally: Were you actually told you were successful?

[raekuul]

Okay, THIS is my last post.

All investigators, roleblockers, and doctors should reveal who they targeted last night and more importantly why they chose those people. The information can only help.

[Zag]

Scorecard of claims:

Sentran: Kyle Hobbes: one-time day vig. The day kill, at least, has been demonstrated to be true, when he killed RubberDuck.

Lifeinmomland: Chad Decker, makes a night choice which influences morning news. I am convinced this is true
Night 1: Reported on Zag (verifies V Ambassador claim)
Night 2: Ctorj
Night 3: Didn't say, but it seems to refer to Erica Evans, who would be townie cop
Night 4: Reported on Quailman. Result was pretty inconclusive.

Zag: Tylor Evans, former V Ambassador, recruited by Amb

Jedo: Not claimed, but clearly led the removal of Rubberduck, and I have no doubts about him

MNOWAX: Father Jack Landry, the Military Chaplain. doc, with one time lynch / NK protection.
Claims he was targeted night 1 and used up his one-time NK protection.

itisally: Ryan Nichols, roleblocker
Night 1: Blocked Zag
Night 2: Blocked Zag
Night 3: Blocked Amb
Night 4: Blocked raekuul (believes this is why there was no night kill)

raekuul: Valerie Stevens, generic townie

Quailman: Diana, vanilla townie

Sniklac: Joe Evans - Friendly Neighbor
He hasn't yet claimed anyone whom he targeted.

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Personally, I think raekuul's claim is feeble, and Snik's isn't much better. If Snik can point to people to vouch for him, I'm ready to believe him, though. Given his role, there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to do so.

However, based on a voting analysis, which I've so far only done a cursory job, I find Quailman most suspicious. I think raekuul is not far behind. Tomorrow looks busy, so I probably won't get to do a thorough voting analysis until Sunday. Please note that I had cleared Ctorj based on such an analysis, and was trying to keep him off the gallows right up until the end.

[Quailman]

[Sniklac16]

I was only able to reveal myself to someone whos now dead, so it really does me no good
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[Quailman]

Who?

[Lucresia]

Vote Count #1 - Day 5
2 raekuul (itisally, MNOWAX)
2 Quailman (Sentran, Sniklac16)

Not voting: Jedo the Jedi, Lifeinmomland, Quailman, raekuul, Zag

5 to lynch!
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[Quailman]

Itisally blocked raekuul.

vote: raekuul

Now we're not tied.

How many more scum do you guys think there are? Anna must surely be out there, as she was mentioned in my PM. Any others? Right now I am leaning towards both raekuul and Sniklac. Snik says he's voting for me based on what LIML said, which was inconclusive if not clearing me. He ignored what Itisally said, which incriminates raekuul.

I don't really suspect MNO. I just think he seems obfuscatory at times.

[MNOWAX]

i jsut don't see how revealing who i protected last night woul help the town, especially if there is another role that could have blocked the kill.

fwiw, i do believe that i have been protecting the right person the last two nights, e ven if they weren't targeted.
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MNOWAX

[Sniklac16]

If you remember correctly though, I put a fos on raekuul as well...I guess Ill go ahead and unvote vote raekuul Heres hoping hes scum. And I had revealed myself to silverfire
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[Lucresia]

Vote Count #2 - Day 5
4 raekuul (itisally, MNOWAX, Quailman, Sniklac16)
1 Quailman (Sentran)

Not voting: Jedo the Jedi, Lifeinmomland, raekuul, Zag

5 to lynch!
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[Sentran]

Unvote
I'm not happy that we're already L-1. I agree that there is too much to sift through before we jump to lynching another townie. Currently 3 of my 4 suspects are voting the fourth, which leads me to believe that maybe raekuul is telling the truth. I'm also still unsure of MNOWAX. I've been thinking that Father Jack could be a safe claim, and MNO could be making up the powers associated with the role, hence the odd powers for a doc.
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"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland

[Zag]

I agree, Sentran. Unfortunately, we're still at L-1 because you weren't voting for him. I'd like to invite one of the people currently voting for him to unvote, just for caution. Jedo, after all, did specifically request that we refrain from lynching until he returns, and I think it was a reasonable request.

I was going to go through all the voting and see if there was something more to learn, given that we now know the alignments of a couple more people since the last time I did it. However, I'm having trouble working up the energy, partly because I don't think that there is anything illuminating. Maybe later I'll feel more up to it.

[Quailman]

unvote: raekuul

I didn't want to be sitting on the same votecount as a scum, so I went ahead and voted. Snik, however, seems a bit less concerned about his vote. Maybe I'm wrong about raekuul and Snik is the one who should swing.

[Quailman]

One more thing...

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