V Mafia - Game Over - Town Wins!

[itisally]

AWK! That was quick!
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Indeed it was. At least we'll have some more info. With presumably only one scum left (though let's not consider that fact), I think town has a decent chance to win. Still, let's not be cocky.

I think we should be considering Ally and MNO tomorrow. Here's my list just so we have it out there:

N1 - Saw Amb visit Zag. (Once the mod confirmed Amb's role power rather than the original ambiguous title, I knew Zag was innocent as well. w00t for two birds with one stone.) Both innocent.
N2 - Learned Sentran stayed home cleaning his gun. Innocent.
N3 - Saw Rubberduck kill. Scum.
N4 - Unsuccessful on Snik.
N5 - Witnessed Quail sitting in a jail cell (obviously prior to his death by Anna). Innocent.
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

So, Jedo, before you die overnight, do you want to tell us whom you investigated and what the result was?

[Zag]

D'oh. I should read the rest of the posts before asking questions. sorry

[Jedo the Jedi]

Can we go to night, Lucresia?
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Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Lucresia]

A lynch has been reached and death scene will follow tonight.

Unfortunately I do not have time to post the death scene at this moment. It should be up by 10 pm EDT, so please be patient with me today. I might be able to get it up while I am still at work. I will do my best, and my apologies for the late announcement on the lynch.
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[Lucresia]

The town, anxious to get rid of the V threat once and for all, decides to take Sniklac to the Noose.

Sniklac, AKA Anna, Visitor Queen (Mafia Godfather) refuses to go without a fight exposing his true self. thankfully with the whole town after Anna, Anna could not get away. With Anna pinned down, Sentran from the courthouse snipes off the remaining Visitor from their town.

Sniklac, AKA Anna, Visitor Queen (Mafia Godfather) is now dead and the V threat is over!

TOWN WINS! (except for poor Quailman who does not win because he died before Anna)

Game thoughts to come in just a moment.
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[MNOWAX]

WINNAH!

So glad i didn't get killed first night. i was told i targeted, but i didn't have to do anything to be saved once. It seemed so unbelievable if i had said that i had one time innate ability on top of me being a doc, which why i kinda fibbed about it..
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MNOWAX

[Lucresia]

Endgame thoughts from the Mod:

1.) I should have included Safeclaims (the game had too little characters that were important to provide protection for the mafia.
2.) An almost mass claim early in the game?? This was highly unexpected
3.) Town made amazing choices. For example. Amb had the ability to recruit only Tyler and Diana. Amb found Tyler on night 1. Tyler would have been a huge mafia benefit because of the spread of misinformation which would have caused a lot of confusion.
4.) Disappointed in mafia kill choices. I was suprised that MNO was picked first night considering he usually gets himself lynched anyways. I was suprised Snik went after Jedo as the last kill attempt. Maybe I am biased knowing all the information, but I thought it was clear he was protecting Jedo for the rest of the game.
5.) Losing 1 mafia on day 1 was unlikely, but another bonus for the town.
6.) Mafia, the reason you couldnt kill MNO was because he had a 1 time night immunity. The second time you tried you were roleblocked.
7.) Had Snik killed Quail sooner, he would have been immune to any night action against him. This would have included kill, investigation or role block. Jedo, Snik had one immunity to night choice as godfather. This is why you did not get a result.
8.) hard to balance a game when there are so many "what if" roles.
9.) Mafia had the ability to kill and protect each night as long as there were two alive.
10.) Why did mafia not try to kill LIML????!!!???
11.) Quailman, had you been alive while Anna was killed, you would have won and also converted the remaining mafia to your will. Your will was for good and that means the only person who would have lost would have been Anna and any mafia already killed before you took command.
12.) itisally was not aware of it, but she had a random chance to not be able to roleblock a mafia member. This was to fit in with Ryan Nichols character of helping the Vs in Season 2.

Any questions on surprise elements in the game?
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[Zag]

Thanks, Lucresia, for a great game! Also, thanks for turning me on to the show.

So there was no way for the mafia to recruit? I was thinking that it might have been possible Tyler could have been recruited to either side -- whichever approached him first.

Also, what were the remaining roles of the people who didn't claim?

[Sniklac16]

BAAH!! Nicely played town...I was really torn between LIML and jedo that last night and guess I picked wrong. I was sure that since I was a part of the rest of mafia lynches I wouldn't be a suspect.
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[Quailman]

[Zag]

[Lucresia]

[Ctorj]

Go Town!
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[Sentran]

Woot!
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[Zag]

Thanks for the rundown, Lucresia. It really is hard to balance a game where all the townies have some ability. With several investigative roles, it's almost impossible. (I realize that you weren't thinking of LIML's role as investigative, but it turned out to be possibly more useful than a normal cop.) This has helped a lot to inform me for my game -- I think I'll have to beef up the mafia a bit.

What would Sidney Miller (Silverfire) have evolved to if he (she) had picked a scum?

[Lucresia]

[Lucresia]

[raekuul]

Depending on how that interacted with the other roles, the Mafia would have then won without major incident.

[itisally]

I spent a lot of time wondering how people could be so sure about things. It makes more sence after seeing roles. Thanks for a good first game. I will have to be less oblivious next time. I kept thinking I hadn't been too scummy except for the major blunder day 1.
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[Lucresia]

I think so much went well for the town at the start that it just made the game very easy for them. I don't think the mafia were too hurt, but maybe If I had a roleblocker on the mafia side, that may have helped then. Maybe two kills would have been too drastic...i'm not sure
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[Zag]

Any time a scum is lynched on the first day, the Mafia has a huge uphill battle, because that generally is not the most likely outcome. I've made a couple of roles that have an extra opportunity on the first night only if a scum was lynched on the first day, just to rebalance.

But, yeah, you had the town a little overpowered. Plus we got lucky. Giving them two night-kills would be swinging too far the other way, though. Possibly if one of them had a one-shot for an extra kill, or if the bliss didn't require them to forgo their night-kill. (I assume that's what happened.)

itisally, I remember the first game when I was a townie (which was my third game -- and I won my first two) I was so confused. I had no idea what was going on or why people knew what they knew. Trick #1 is to learn to pick out the people who are speaking from some sort of knowledge. Trick #2 is to learn to imitate that same tone when you're playing mafia.

But you have no hope of really getting this game until you've played a scum, a vanilla or minor townie role, a townie investigative role, and moderated a game. I have to say that I learned more about playing by moderating than by anything else.

And one blunder is all it takes. It nearly got you lynched, and it's only because better targets showed their heads. Of course, by 'blunder' I usually mean when you're mafia and you give something away. Your mistake was obviously a newbie mistake, and we knew there was that possibility.

[itisally]

Yeah, I was pretty sure a certain amount of my survival was to not scare off all the new people by killing them first.
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[raekuul]

I called Bliss with the expectation that we would manage to successfully kill and make it look like itisally was involved. I can't remember who we agreed to kill N2, but it didn't take.

I think we went after MNOWAX three different times.

Lucrecia: I thought about calling for LIML's death, but I figured MNO would protect her anyway. Doc > Investigative if you ask me.

[Amb]

Remember back on day 1 I said I was looking for a post of Zags I could not find. He gave me a very clear hint that he was 1 of the masons I was hunting. I upset him by changing my mind.

Quailmans role is getting too close to jester for me. Mods who use Jesters (excepting april fools mafia) get boycotted.

[Zag]

I don't see why you say that. There is nothing in his role to make him want to by lynched. There is a bit of "suddenly, the game's over," which I guess is what you're referring to, but it does require a real hunt, not just playing like an idiot.