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jms416
Icarian Member

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: 1 Seeing as it's football season, what is the WORST record a team can have and still make the playoffs? Assume regular NFL scheduling rules. Available here: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_are_NFL_schedules_determined
Chuck
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: 2 I'd say 3 and 13 since each team plays the other three teams in its division twice each making it necessary for the division to have at least 12 wins. Of course, they could all tie but I wouldn't call that worse.
Zag
Tired of his old title

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: 3 Interesting question. I assume it would be possible for all four teams in a division to split all their divisional games, so they would all be 3-3 for those, and then all four teams lose every game outside their division, so the first place team would be decided by a tie-breaker amongst the four 3-13 teams.
Suspence
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:20 pm    Post subject: 4 I'd say you can get in with 0 wins. Four divisional teams could go 0-10-6, tying all of their divisional games. I'd say 0-10-6 is worse than 3-13-0, especially since most "standings" are ordered by "winning percentage" (.000 vs .188). See http://www.nfl.com/standings Here are the divisional tiebreakers: Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format). 1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs). 2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. 3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. 4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in common games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss The first factor that could be different is strength of schedule, so it would likely come down to that, or the next factor which is ranking in points scored/points against. By the way, this 0-10-6 scenario is still feasbile for the NFC South after Week 1. All four teams lost non-divisional in-conference games this week, and are tied at 0-1. The Saints are listed as being in first, I'm assuming due to strength of schedule, as they played the defending champion Packers._________________I hate people who try to write interesting things in their signature.
jms416*
Guest

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: 5 Here's a corollary: Whats the worst record in order to win a wildcard?
Chuck
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:53 pm    Post subject: 6 5 and 11?
Chuck
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:14 pm    Post subject: 7 Or less. I didn't realize that teams played so any interconference games. Every team in a conference could lose all of those, so I'm now thinking 1 and 15.
Thok*
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:10 am    Post subject: 8

 Suspence wrote: Four divisional teams could go 0-10-6, tying all of their divisional games. I'd say 0-10-6 is worse than 3-13-0, especially since most "standings" are ordered by "winning percentage" (.000 vs .188).

For purposes of deciding playoff teams, a tie = 1/2 a win + 1/2 a loss.

See here

If we accept this convention, I believe the second wild card team needs to have a record equivalent to at least 4-12-1 and I'm certain it's no worse than a record equivalent to 4-12. It's not hard to show that two 0-7-9 teams (equivalent to 4-12-1) can make the playoffs: just have every nondivision champ lose all seven guaranteed games played against out of conference foes and divisions champions and then have lots of ties. The lower bound will be a counting argument involving games between bad teams (which I know shows a record of at least 4-12).
referee
June 21st, 2004 Member

 Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:17 am    Post subject: 9 All this thread remember me: If W>T>L, why aren't we placing them in that order? And of course, Thok means 4-11-1 throughout. Or, as it should rather be, 4-1-11._________________Jan 21st, 2008: The pillaging continues. Mar 4th, 2008: Rest in Peace, Gary Gygax. May your dice always roll a natural 20 wherever you are. Be the Ultimate Ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today!
Thok*
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:26 am    Post subject: 10

 referee wrote: All this thread remember me: If W>T>L, why aren't we placing them in that order?

Because the official NFL standings lists them in order W-L-T. And yes, I do mean 4-11-1.
Suspence
Daedalian Member

Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:40 pm    Post subject: 11

 Thok* wrote: I believe the second wild card team needs to have a record equivalent to at least 4-12-1 and I'm certain it's no worse than a record equivalent to 4-12.

Did you mean 4-11-1?

Either way, I found several scenarios where the second wild card team had only 4 wins (or equivalent to 4 wins), and I believe that is the lowest possible. Among those is a scenario where all 11 teams are tied for the final wild card spot with 4 wins.
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw

 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:28 am    Post subject: 12 Just because the NFL does it that way, doesn't make it right.
bonanova
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 1:25 am    Post subject: 13 The title suggested to me a fav question about greatest futility in winning NFL championship games. Being a Vikings fan of long standing although I did move to New York the same year Fran Tarkenton did via trade. Simply, it asked how many NFL championships had been won among the Vikings, Bills and Broncos. Denver spoiled things a few years back by winning a couple. So it's a weaker question now: How many NFL championships have been won between the Vikings and the Bills?_________________ Vidi, vici, veni.
Quailman
His Postmajesty

 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:20 am    Post subject: 14 The chiefs have lost seven straight playoff games, but I'll go with the Vikings.
bonanova
Daedalian Member

 Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 4:48 am    Post subject: 15 The 1969 Vikings were NFL Champions. Neither they nor the Bills ever won a Super Bowl._________________ Vidi, vici, veni.
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