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Zag
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:16 pm    Post subject: 81 Reply with quote

extro...* wrote:
To make it self-evident, it would be something like: "If I'm a living thing observing a universe, then that universe allows for living things".

Clearly not self-evident, since it isn't even necessarily true.

Hint: substitute "lava pool" for universe and you'll see why. (You haven't proven that you have to be inside a universe to observe it.)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: 82 Reply with quote

Zag wrote:
extro...* wrote:
To make it self-evident, it would be something like: "If I'm a living thing observing a universe, then that universe allows for living things".

Clearly not self-evident, since it isn't even necessarily true.

Hint: substitute "lava pool" for universe and you'll see why. (You haven't proven that you have to be inside a universe to observe it.)


The thought did cross my mind, at the time of writing, to fill in a few of the blanks, like that "universe" means that which contains everything (unlike the lava pool, which I'd presumably observe from outside).

And Thok is correct - the observer need not be living.
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