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Pablo
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 Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: 41 |
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That is a great GREAT story! And you thought no one would be interested?
Thanks for sharing that, and yes, by all means, find that third workout spot! |
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"Nothing tastes as good as being thin feels" (especially when you have a hot girlfriend) |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: 42 |
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You're such a weight fascist.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: 43 |
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| You're such a weight fascist. |
Health fascist! |
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Zag
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: 44 |
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Grats on the weight loss, Antrax!
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| I reached my target weight (186, which puts me on the high end of normal for my height) |
Uh oh. I'm hoping you're a lot shorter than I am. 
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| So, that's how I avoided diabetes and also got a hot girlfriend.... |
I wanted to do this, too, but my wife vetoed the idea. |
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Travis
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: 45 |
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| but perhaps better than feeding puppy chow to humans? |
hey, don't be dissin' the puppy chow.
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| "Nothing tastes as good as being thin feels" |
This might be kinda kinky but a great saying nonetheless. |
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Loki
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: 46 |
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To misquote Gordon Gecko: Food...is good.
My job requires me to be in good physical shape, but if it didn't, I wouldn't waste my life with fasting and eating kibble.
Food doesn't judge, and the gratification is instantaneous. Those Dorito's are always going to taste just right. Have you ever felt so complete as after a big juicy steak? Chorizo, cheesecake, Nutter Butters, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, Chicken Tikka Masala, General Tsao's Chicken, Marie Calendar's chicken pot pies, BBQ ribs... The possibilities are endless and satisfying in a way no other activity, art form, or entertainment can provide.
Being thin is not the solution to all of life's problems. Being happy is. And fried chicken makes me happy. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:04 am Post subject: 47 |
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Being thin is not the solution to all of life's problems. Being happy is. And fried chicken makes me happy. |
Agreed. If fried chicken did it for me, I'd be huge. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: 48 |
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| You're such a weight fascist. |
Here's something else to think about. One of the biggest problems facing our economy is health care. Costs are skyrocketing and a significant part of that is due to our unhealthy lifestyle....such things as tobacco, obesity, lack of exercise,and the conditions caused by them.
I don't have numbers, but I'm sure they're available....and I'm sure they're big, as to what we'd save as a country if everyone took better care of themselves. Insurance costs would be much lower and companies would be more able to compete in global markets without the extra burden. All kinds of benefits. This is not the reason I have spent my life devoted to health and fitness, but it's certainly something to consider. |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: 49 |
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So we should be thin for the good of The State?
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: 50 |
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BTW I find it exceedingly annoying when people blithely state "well known facts" like "One of the biggest problems facing our economy is health care."
There are several reasons for this but the main one is because the statement is so ill defined. It could mean one thing to you and another to me and something else entirely to others. And being so ill defined it might even be true in the context of what one person believes it to mean and yet entirely false by most others perhaps even the person using it. Which makes it good for little more than sophistry.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: 51 |
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| BTW I find it exceedingly annoying when people blithely state "well known facts" like "One of the biggest problems facing our economy is health care." |
1. I am not influenced by what "annoys" you.
2. I think your use of the word "blithely" is inappropriate, at least if you are applying it to my statements.
3. I am confident that were we to get scientific about this and get numbers in front of us that we trusted, we would agree that by any measure, health care costs are a huge problem facing our society.
Here is one article I found.
4. I am confident that health care costs could be greatly diminished and have a significant positive effect on our economy if people took better care of themselves.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: 52 |
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| So we should be thin for the good of The State? |
I remain thin because it feels good to me to be healthy. If more people practiced a healthy lifestyle, there would be economical benefits to the society.
You are free to distort word it any way you like to suit your purpose, whatever that is.
Antrax, just so there is no misunderstanding, my joy for your accomplishment is personal in seeing you be healthy and having a hot girlfriend. Whatever benefits to the state of Israel are a completely different discussion. |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: 53 |
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1. That annoys me. I kid
2. I'll stand by my perception that you were being careless in your use of terms, but perhaps that was a bit strong of a word.
3. Perhaps. However, I doubt it. I see rising health care costs as a symptom of something else entirely (govment) as opposed to anything having to do with Americans leading increasing unhealthy lives. We're leading healthier lives *by far* than we used to 50 years ago and yet costs have risen about 6 times what they would have just by inflation (I won't swear by those numbers just grabbed them quick, but I'm sure you won't dispute that the gain has been far greater than inflation).
4. I tend to disagree. It's far more nuanced than that. Lunch time is over though and I spent it surfing the web. Oh well, I guess I'll grab some quick McDonald's. =P
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Zag
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: 54 |
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Wow! You guys are at it again. And no invisible text this time, either!
Samadhi, your mantra that everything bad is caused by the government is getting tiresome. The health care market in the U.S. is closer to free market than in most other "Big 20" countries, and yet we get less for our dollar than they do. We also are more divided by "haves" and "have nots" in health care, a situation that I know doesn't bother you, but it bothers me.
In any case, neither lifestyle nor government is the cause of skyrocketing health care costs, though both are a factor. Our litigious society is a big part, though I am pretty sure that Samadhi will blame that on the government, as well. (I'm not sure I disagree, either. If the government were not involved at all, then bad doctors wouldn't get sued, they'd just move somewhere else and start all over.)
However, the biggest driving force behind health care costs is the improving health care! Eighty years ago, if you had cancer, you went to the doctor, he told you to settle your affairs, and you died. It was all very cheap.
Today, they have very expensive tests and they know a lot more about the problem, and they have some very expensive treatments which often make a big difference. But they are still expensive. Also, we're much better at helping people who are right at the edge hang on to life, and that is REALLY expensive.
The government didn't cause this issue, science and insurance companies did. Even with no government regulation at all, people would still want insurance to cover these gradually more expensive procedures, and the insurance companies would have to distribute the costs of the relative few really expensive ones to the rest of their customers.
Pablo, people living healthier lifestyles would not necessarily reduce health care costs -- it would just defer them. That is, instead of being in an ICU at 65 years old with after a heart attack complicated by diabetes, instead I might be in an ICU at 80 years old with prostate cancer that has metastasized into my liver and kidneys. You haven't shown that one is more expensive than the other. (I agree that it is pretty easy to show a lot of other benefits, but you haven't shown it to be cheaper.) |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: 55 |
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Pablo, people living healthier lifestyles would not necessarily reduce health care costs -- it would just defer them. That is, instead of being in an ICU at 65 years old with after a heart attack complicated by diabetes, instead I might be in an ICU at 80 years old with prostate cancer. You haven't shown that one is more expensive than the other. |
That is an excellent point and one worth researching. I say at the very least that you'd have a 10 or 20 year "hiatus" where health care costs would be dramatically reduced until the population aged accordingly.
Bottom line, I still contend that if (theoretically) everyone took optimal care, the average lifetime cost of health care for each person would be less. Do you disagree? I know neither of us can prove our point.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: 56 |
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| We're leading healthier lives *by far* than we used to 50 years ago |
Yikes. I wouldn't have said that with obesity on the rise, the reliance on fast food, and the more sedentary lifestyle. I have heard that life expectancy of young people today actually might be lower than their parents. Not sure about that. |
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Quailman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: 57 |
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I've read that same argument about healthcare costs not being reduced by healthier lifestyles. It changed my mind about wishing all the smokers would quit. Right now people with less healthy lifestyles (for whatever reason) live shorter lives on average. But what they dies of in the end isn't necessarily any less costly to treat than the lung cancer or whatever kills them younger. And they have some bad shit happen along the way that costs a lot and they get cured. And then there are myriad minor maladies that need attention. So I'm not convinced either way about the cost effectiveness of a healthy lifestyle.
And if everyone quit smoking, what would happen to the cigarette manufacturers and tobacco growers. I sense another bailout. Or we could call it farm subsidies. |
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Travis
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:57 pm Post subject: 58 |
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| To misquote Gordon Gecko: Food...is good. |
Geiko is good.
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| Costs are skyrocketing and a significant part of that is due to our unhealthy lifestyle....such things as tobacco, obesity, lack of exercise,and the conditions caused by them. |
This is such good common sense, how can it be refuted? For some issues cites should not be needed.
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| So we should be thin for the good of The State? |
No. But it would be a positive side benefit.
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| BTW I find it exceedingly annoying when people blithely state "well known facts" like "One of the biggest problems facing our economy is health care." |
Unhealthy lifestyle choices create greater health care needs which someone has to pay for. Of the persons out there in society who cannot pay their medical bills, most of them fall into the category of the unhealthy lifestyle choosers.
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| Antrax, just so there is no misunderstanding, my joy for your accomplishment is personal in seeing you be healthy and having a hot girlfriend. Whatever benefits to the state of Israel are a completely different discussion. |
Me too. It's good that you're now at a healthier point. This just makes it a package deal, goes along with all of your chess talent, scholastic achievements and general cranial accomplishments.
(I've heard you're taking Hebrew lessons now. How is that coming along?) |
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Travis
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:09 pm Post subject: 59 |
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| Pablo, people living healthier lifestyles would not necessarily reduce health care costs -- it would just defer them. That is, instead of being in an ICU at 65 years old with after a heart attack complicated by diabetes, instead I might be in an ICU at 80 years old with prostate cancer that has metastasized into my liver and kidneys. You haven't shown that one is more expensive than the other. (I agree that it is pretty easy to show a lot of other benefits, but you haven't shown it to be cheaper.) |
With few exceptions, healthy living not only increases longevity but also greatly reduces health costs along the way. Employers and insurance company representatives can acknowledge this. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: 60 |
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| But what they dies of in the end isn't necessarily any less costly to treat than the lung cancer or whatever kills them younger. |
Don't you mean "But what they dies of aren't necessarily any less....."?  |
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Jack_Ian
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: 61 |
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| With few exceptions, healthy living not only increases longevity but also greatly reduces health costs along the way. Employers and insurance company representatives can acknowledge this. |
But what about pension schemes? |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: 62 |
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Zag: You beat me to it. After stepping away from the computer I realized that I should have clarified that our lack of 'loser pays' (unlike the rest of the world) contributes heavily to health care cost. Also
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| However, the biggest driving force behind health care costs is the improving health care! |
I realized this as well. My mother just got both hips replaced (2 months apart) and after both surgeries she was walking (with a walker) in a couple of days and after a week you couldn't really tell she'd had surgery. An interesting juxtaposition is the cost of food. This has gone down with increased technology (from around 20% in 1950 to around 5% now) because even if we buy more luxurious food, there is a limit to how much we can eat. There really isn't quite that hard cap on medical care. Almost any new (and expensive) treatment can be used by anyone. So anyway, on that, you got me.
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| The health care market in the U.S. is closer to free market than in most other "Big 20" countries, |
Agreed
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| and yet we get less for our dollar than they do. |
You would definitely be someone who was on my mind when I was talking about people who blithely say ill defined things. What exactly does that mean? How are you comparing things so they don't end up being apples and oranges? etc etc I'm throwing the bullshit flag on that one. Most of them don't even use dollars!
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| We also are more divided by "haves" and "have nots" in health care, a situation that I know doesn't bother you, but it bothers me. |
Here is another classic example of ill defined clap trap. Throw in some classist bullshit mantra and the overdone implication that I somehow don't care like you do and it's perfect Zag form.
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:35 am Post subject: 63 |
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| Bottom line, I still contend that if (theoretically) everyone took optimal care, the average lifetime cost of health care for each person would be less. Do you disagree? I know neither of us can prove our point. |
Actually I read an article about that the other day. I can't find it, so take it what I'm saying with a grain of salt (since you can't check sources or methodology). It basically said that you're right if you look at years alive, but way wrong if you look at years in the workforce.
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: 64 |
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Travis touches on another point that I was thinking of. If it is a free market (as zag notes it's the freest, not free), and there are no subsidies, so what if if costs more? People are choosing to get it. The typical rejoinder is akin to what travis mentions that "Unhealthy lifestyle choices create greater health care needs which someone has to pay for."
And since those costs are passed on to you and me (the argument goes) shouldn't we do something to get them lower? We need to have Foundation in charge of promoting healthier living like bike riding, we'll get some Oregon ex patriot to head it. And we need an oversight committee in charge of costs and practices we'll get someone from the New England states to do that. And on and on.
It would be more productive to look at eliminating anything non emergency that's paid for by everyone else, changing the rules regarding litigation, and getting rid of government red tape.
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Courk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: 65 |
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| Being in the hospital at age 60 or 80, for the same thing, is still going to cost the same. A healthy lifestyle is less costly due to disease prevention being cheaper than disease treatment. Type 2 diabetes, for example -- you can maintain a healthy weight and all that and not develop the disease, or you can be a poster child for risk factors and run the risk of becoming diabetic, thus needing all the associated medications and treatments for complications. |
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Zag
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: 66 |
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| We also are more divided by "haves" and "have nots" in health care, a situation that I know doesn't bother you, but it bothers me. |
Here is another classic example of ill defined clap trap. Throw in some classist bullshit mantra and the overdone implication that I somehow don't care like you do and it's perfect Zag form. |
Well, you've made it clear many times that socialized medicine -- 100% heatlth care, like is found in some of the other top 20 countries -- would be the worst thing in the world. That naturally creates a health care division of haves and have-nots. Do you disagree with this statement, somehow?
I know that, in our own system, with some government intervention but not enough to create 100% coverage, we have such a division. I have always had health care, which has been quite a relief, considering that my wife has a debilitating disease that has her in a wheelchair. Our insurance bought her a new powered chair a little over a year ago, to the tune of about $12,000.
I also have a good friend who is amongst the have-nots. She is pregnant right now, and extremely worried about what is going to happen if there are any problems. She has arranged to have a midwife, and to deliver in her home, and the cost of that is a challenge for her. It will have to be the emergency room if there are any problems, and just let the bills pile up. Although she would very much like to have a full set of pre-natal doctor visits, she was forced to content herself with one with her own doctor and two visits to a free clinic.
I know that, with a system that I advocate, 100% health care, she would have had decent prenatal care, and she would not be terrified about what will happen if there are problems. Also in the system I would advocate, a lot of the care that kept my father alive for the last year of his life (he passed away last summer) would not have happened. It was expensive and pointless for someone who had had a massive stroke and was left with the intelligence of a 4-year-old. (This was a man who could beat me at chess while reading a book and watching TV at the same time, only occasionally glancing at the board.)
What's the free market answer? I'm guessing that it is closer to what we have today than it is to what I would advocate. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:22 pm Post subject: 67 |
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We need to have Foundation in charge of promoting healthier living like bike riding, we'll get some Oregon ex patriot to head it. And we need an oversight committee in charge of costs and practices we'll get someone from the New England states to do that. And on and on.
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You really do make good points (and more often than not, I actually agree with you). Just a thought here, but I'm guessing that if you weren't quite such a defensive ass so much of the time, at least when you're not being an offensive one, people would actually listen and respect the wisdom and knowledge that you certainly have.
When you argue with Zag, I'm torn. I usually find myself thinking, "Samadhi's right, but I like Zag better". And I haven't even f*cking MET him. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:23 pm Post subject: 68 |
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| Here is another classic example of ill defined clap trap. Throw in some classist bullshit mantra and the overdone implication that I somehow don't care like you do and it's perfect Zag form. |
And I rest my case. |
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Zag
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:30 pm Post subject: 69 |
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Hey, thanks, Pablo!
I responded to this before, but in looking back, I'm concerned that it has a "too long, didn't read" problem. Here's the short form.
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| We also are more divided by "haves" and "have nots" in health care, a situation that I know doesn't bother you, but it bothers me. |
Here is another classic example of ill defined clap trap. Throw in some classist bullshit mantra and the overdone implication that I somehow don't care like you do and it's perfect Zag form. |
But you don't, Samadhi. You've made it quite clear that maintaining a free market is more important to you than making sure that individuals don't fall through the cracks. You care about different things than I do, quite clearly.
Oh, and the ad hominem attack -- it's perfect Samadhi form. |
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Pablo
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: 70 |
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Hey, thanks, Pablo!
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Yeah, and I could have ripped him about making claptrap into two words, but I decided to take it easy on him about that. After all, we've been friends for a long time. I even treated him to lunch once and beat played him in chess. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:57 pm Post subject: 71 |
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| Being in the hospital at age 60 or 80, for the same thing, is still going to cost the same. A healthy lifestyle is less costly due to disease prevention being cheaper than disease treatment. Type 2 diabetes, for example -- you can maintain a healthy weight and all that and not develop the disease, or you can be a poster child for risk factors and run the risk of becoming diabetic, thus needing all the associated medications and treatments for complications. |
Diabetes! This alone is proof to me that healthier living would cost less in terms of health care (I'll disregard the actuarial studies that help promote healthy-living discount programs for many insurance policies).
We need member-owned insurance programs on large scales. This would lead to market driven incentive to healthy living. You could achieve certain levels of health to gain access to discounted health care for life. There would obviously need to be protective terms (member Bill of Rights maybe) to protect members.
Samadhi,
The health care system is freer market, but far from free market. The Hippocratic Oath will prevent the health care system from achieving a free market position. |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: 72 |
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Pablo: Boo hoo. Would you like a government approved bandaid for your feelings? no kissing the booboo, sorry
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Travis
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: 73 |
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This may be a good point, not sure how to address it. |
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Samadhi
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: 74 |
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| But you don't, Samadhi. You've made it quite clear that maintaining a free market is more important to you than making sure that individuals don't fall through the cracks. |
We disagree on this issue as well as others. I don't ascribe your motives to being a jack booted thug wanting the government to run everything. I think that you honestly care about the people in society and are advocating the system you think would work best. I just think you're wrong and get frustrated with your style of debating.
You think I'm wrong and apparently I'm a flinty hearted capitalist to boot. Perhaps I come across as defensive but this attitude permeates almost all of your responses to my arguments.
I do care. However, I realize that any system we set up will not be perfect and no matter what you do, people will "fall through the cracks." So what is a person to do? For me the clear choice is advocating as free market a solution as possible (they just run more efficiently and better than monopolies). This maximizes the health available. Plus with the best "have" to "have not" mobility among virtually any nation on earth (the lowest earners become top earners with high frequency) people are most likely to be "vulnerable" only when their in the most healthy stage of their life. I think the best way to deal with those cracks is not to set up a one payer system (how in the world would that improve costs anyway?), it's for concerned individuals to donate their time or money freely.
I've volunteered in the past on issues that I care about for people I think can be helped (and I can help). Perhaps you have as well. This one choice by you or me multiplied by hundreds of millions (and by more freedom to do so, if we get to keep more for ourselves) creates a chaotic plug for all those gaps. There is no bureaucracy that can set up rules to deal with all those contingencies as effectively as you or I or the rest of us can.
Your solution seems plausible to you and indeed many more people would not fall through the cracks (1%?) but all the extras we have in the US (highest cancer survival rates, lowest surgery wait times, most advanced procedures and medications, etc) would likely be sacrificed for that gain. Meanwhile, it would still not be perfect and people would still "fall through the cracks."
And current regulation isn't helping insurance either. Your pregnant friend would probably benefit from an insurance plan that just covered emergency visits for her pregnancy. It wouldn't cover the gamut of pre-natal care but you and I didn't have that when we were kids and Pablo's mom only had stone knives and bear skins. Such a specific plan would probably be quite affordable compared to omnibus coverage (for things like alcoholism, acupuncture, etc) but you can't get it because regulations only allow omnibus coverage in most states.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: 75 |
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I agree with Samadhi!  |
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JakCiEsTellA
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| Chorizo, cheesecake, Nutter Butters, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups, Chicken Tikka Masala, General Tsao's Chicken, Marie Calendar's chicken pot pies, BBQ ribs... The possibilities are endless and satisfying in a way no other activity, art form, or entertainment can provide. |
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Death Mage
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:41 am Post subject: 77 |
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Soylent Green is necrobumps! ITS NECROBUMPS!!!
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Pablo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: 78 |
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Obesity is an epidemic in the U.S. as is diabetes. Both are the direct result of the American diet. If that isn't enough, health care costs threaten to bankrupt us, most of which could be prevented with a healthier lifestyle. The FUNDAMENTAL problems here are:
1. Ignorance
2. Arrogance
3. Denial
We subsist on processed foods, trans fats, sugar, salt, high fructose corn syrup, genetically modified food, and pesticides.
Watch a couple documentaries:
1. Forks Over Knives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ijukNzlUg
2. Fat Sick and Nearly Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv3vEXy_EwU
The human diet should be heavily plant based.....whole grains, nuts, seeds, fruits, vegetables, and when meat is eaten, it should not be the industrial corn-fed animals or the processed chicken or farmed fish. It takes discipline and a commitment, and it might cost more. On the other hand, how many 66 year olds can you find who take NO prescription drugs. Good nutrition is one of the best investments you can make. If you do nothing else right now....at least get some knowledge instead of relying on baseless, outdated, and unscientific lore.
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Pablo
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: 79 |
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My wife and I got one of these after watching those documentaries.
We've been spending a lot of time in the produce section of the grocery store and making some incredible fruit and vegetable juices. If you consider eating to be a social and/or recreational activity, this still works.....and afterwards you feel SOOOO much better.
Today I made carrot, celery, kale, apple juice.
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:01 am Post subject: 80 |
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Nope! Still diet mountain dew for me. *sips*
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