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Mystery Hunt 2012 Recast: COMPLETE!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: 441 Reply with quote

Not much to add except that the picture of the pipe is not from Magritte's famous 'Treachery of Images' but rrom his lesser known Two Mysteries. You can tellby the background. Also Two Mysteries features a shrunken version of Treachery of Images, which would fit with the 'Puzzle in A Puzzle' theme.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: 442 Reply with quote

Even cooler...a jigsaw puzzle within a jigsaw puzzle that reveals a painting within a painting.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: 443 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
Adding more words that aren't getting me anywhere. I'm assuming I'll need to find a 7th group of 7.

Seven Liberal Arts - RHETORIC, GRAMMAR, ASTRONOMY, MATHEMATICS, LOGIC, MUSIC, GEOMETRY
Seven Sacraments - MATRIMONY, PENANCE, CONFIRMATION, HOLY ORDERS, BAPTISM, ANOINTING OF THE SICK, HOLY EUCHARIST
Seven Continents - ANTARCTICA, AFRICA, AUSTRALIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA, ASIA, SOUTH AMERICA
Seven SI base units - KELVIN, KILOGRAM, SECOND, METRE, AMPERE, CANDELA, MOLE
Group of Seven (artists) - JOHNSTON, CARMICHAEL, JACKSON, HARRIS, LISMER, VARLEY, MACDONALD
Seven Christopher Nolan films - FOLLOWING, MEMENTO, BATMAN BEGINS, THE PRESTIGE, THE DARK KNIGHT, INSOMNIA, INCEPTION
ARKHAM
HEAT
DOCTOR
CAMUS/SUMAC
LEGO
ARMY
APOLLO
ENGINEER
ANNUL
SPARKS
TEAL
SEAS (goes with 7, at least)
YEAH
MIDNIGHT
DOC (from the 7 Dwarves?)
SWIFT
HAWKS
MOOR


The group of seven you're missing was actually one of the few content contributions I made as an editor of this puzzle (he was looking for groups of seven that weren't the normal "groups of seven" that you always see in puzzles).
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: 444 Reply with quote

How many of the words I have listed are in your group of 7? Or is that cheating...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: 445 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
How many of the words I have listed are in your group of 7? Or is that cheating...


Probably cheating, but I will say that ARKHAM is a hilarious unintended word, what with the other legitimate Batman references.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:21 pm    Post subject: 446 Reply with quote

Hmm..a search on MIDNIGHT APOLLO ENGINEER led me here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnighter

And MIDNIGHT in the word search actually continues to be MIDNIGHTER...

And now here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Authority
The Doctor, Swift, Apollo, Jenny Sparks, The Midnighter, The Engineer, and Jack Hawksmoor
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: 447 Reply with quote

I rather liked this puzzle too.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: 448 Reply with quote

That leaves 121 left-over letters, which should fit an 11x11 grid. I already see MEXICO in the unused letters.

Code:
higgnaychly
uanpleasanw
snewmexicoa
tuthainglrs
ittrgtilifs
satoemezqie
dhmtnyorurk
iirstnmeiec
lsinaecedsa
odarolocsal
srytokpnowb


Looks like groups of four:
SOLID, LIQUID, GAS, PLASMA
BLACK, CYAN, YELLOW, MAGENTA
WATER, FIRE, EARTH, AIR
NEWMEXICO, ARIZONA, COLORADO, UTAH
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:17 pm    Post subject: 449 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
That leaves 121 left-over letters, which should fit an 11x11 grid. I already see MEXICO in the unused letters.

Code:
higgnaychly
uanpleasanw
swewmexicoa
tuthainglrs
ittrgtilifs
satoemezqie
dhmtnyorurk
iirstnmeiec
lsinaecedsa
odarolocsal
srytokpnowb


Looks like groups of four:
SOLID, LIQUID, GAS, PLASMA
BLACK, CYAN, YELLOW,
MEXICO,
WATER, FIRE


I'm guessing you have a mistake in the grid, since UTAH ARIZONA and COLORADO are there. NEW MEXICO not WEW MEXICO...
MAGENTA completes the colors line, and EARTH and AIR the other line.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: 450 Reply with quote

h i g h l y
u n p l e a s a n t
t h i n g s
i t
i s
s o m e t i m e s
n e c e s s a r y
t o
k n o w

Which is a fictional guidebook in John Barnes's novel, One for the Morning Glory

A: Scream 3
B: Slaughterhouse 5
C: Grand Theft Auto 4
D: The Two Mysteries
E: One for the Morning Glory

7, 8 - TH
14 - E
1 - S
14, 12 - OU
7, 6 - TH

Call in THE SOUTH
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: 451 Reply with quote

THE SOUTH is correct.

Which I guess leaves this last puzzle in the Okla-Holmes-a round:

Zugzwaang by Paul Jeray
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:00 am    Post subject: 452 Reply with quote

I have to say that was one of the best puzzles I've ever worked on.

I also have to say I'm out on the current one. I have no idea what is even going on.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:34 pm    Post subject: 453 Reply with quote

Just for reference.. 'zugzwang' is the notion that a player in chess, or another game, is forced to make a move while (s)he would prefer not to, since it makes the position weaker.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:42 pm    Post subject: 454 Reply with quote

Is anybody working on this one? I'm still totally lost with nowhere to start.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: 455 Reply with quote

I've been lost since the very beginning...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: 456 Reply with quote

I peeked at the answer to this one a month ago. Sorry.

One hint, maybe: catalog all the ways in which these do not look like your average chess problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: 457 Reply with quote

I do not know how to solve even a basic chess problem, so that rules me out.

I do know the game is not typically played with coins, but that's about all I've got. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: 458 Reply with quote

I spent some time this afternoon searching, and I think that these puzzles are for the game of Arimaa*, which is played between Gold and Silver and can use chess pieces to represent its own specific pieces.
As I knew nothing about this game until about five minutes ago, I am not sure I want to try and figure out what exactly is going on...

*the title would seem to suggest this too.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:09 pm    Post subject: 459 Reply with quote

I'm ready to move on...anyone else?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:27 pm    Post subject: 460 Reply with quote

You've done the hard part already!

On the Betsy Johnson meta, the 100 words in each bit of correspondence suggest placing the words found into a 10x10 grid, or something like that.

Other than the 9/10 rhymes found, there are: Column (cocoon), memory (medley), jay (joy), learned (leader), backroom (bookworm).

Letter 1:
backroom = word 28
memory = word 36
immune = word 78

Letter 2:
feeder = word 8
unmatched = word 21
learned = word 73

Letter 3:
column = word 9
tell = word 25
jay = word 36
boys = word 81

Letter 4:
splicing = word 8
hookworm = word 16

Letter 5:
deadly = word 61
deploy = word 71

Letter 3: all squares. But Dudes (word 1), Know (word 4), appealing (word 16), and it (word 100) [those are the easy ones to find] don't really have many letters in common with the puzzle answers. We are missing one answer word, granted.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:40 am    Post subject: 461 Reply with quote

Are you indicating that we find words of the same length that have the same first and last letter?

If so LEADER, would go with LINEAR, word 4 of paragraph 4. Not sure what the connection with LEARNED is, except for an anagram + 1. Are there more of those?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 1:45 am    Post subject: 462 Reply with quote

Betsy Johnson Meta-Puzzle

SOLUTIONS
Joy
Bookworm
Hell
Leader
Enticing
Medley
Attached
Cocoon
Poise

RHYMES - Letter - Word #
Immune 1 - 78
Feeder 2 - 8
Unmatched 2 - 21
Tell 3 - 25
Boys 3 - 81
Splicing 4 - 8
Hookworm 4 - 16
Deadly 5 - 61
Deploy 5 - 71

SAME START/END/LENGTH - Letter - Word #
backroom 1 - 28
Memory 1 - 36
edifying 2 - 34
column 3 - 9
Jay 3 - 36
Hail 4 - 1
linear 4 - 4
asteroid 5 - 47
peace 5 - 59

ABOVE WORDS ORGANIZED BY LETTER - Letter - Word #
backroom 1 - 28
Memory 1 - 36
Immune 1 - 78

Feeder 2 - 8
Unmatched 2 - 21
edifying 2 - 34

column 3 - 9
Tell 3 - 25
Jay 3 - 36
Boys 3 - 81

Hail 4 - 1
linear 4 - 4
Splicing 4 - 8
Hookworm 4 - 16

asteroid 5 - 47
peace 5 - 59
Deadly 5 - 61
Deploy 5 - 71

Letter 1 seems to be triangle numbers. Letter 2 looks to be Fibonacci numbers. Letter 3 is squares. Letter 5 is all primes.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:26 am    Post subject: 463 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
Are you indicating that we find words of the same length that have the same first and last letter?

If so LEADER, would go with LINEAR, word 4 of paragraph 4. Not sure what the connection with LEARNED is, except for an anagram + 1. Are there more of those?


That wasn't explicitly what I was thinking, just that there were some letter coincidences. But that seems pretty good. And yeah, anagram + 1. But I didn't see any more of those. It just popped out, being in italics and all...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:56 am    Post subject: 464 Reply with quote

Looks like synonyms is another path.

1-21 is STUCK, for ATTACHED
1-45 is HEAD, for LEADER
2-5 is BIBLIOPHILE, for BOOKWORM
2-13 is BEARING, for POISE
3-16 is APPEALING, for ENTICING
3-64 is ASSORTMENT, for MEDLEY
4-64 is DELIGHT, for JOY
5-43 is INFERNO, for HELL
5-53 is ENVELOP, for COCOON

Summarizing again:

stuck, 1 - 21, Attached
backroom, 1 - 28, Bookworm
memory, 1 - 36, Medley
head, 1 - 45, Leader
Immune, 1 - 78, Cocoon

bibliophile, 2 - 5, Bookworm
feeder, 2 - 8, Leader
bearing, 2 - 13, Poise
unmatched, 2 - 21, Attached
edifying, 2 - 34, Enticing

column, 3 - 9, Cocoon
appealing, 3 - 16, Enticing
tell, 3 - 25, Hell
jay, 3 - 36, Joy
assortment, 3 - 64, Medley
boys, 3 - 81, Poise

hail, 4 - 1, Hell
linear, 4 - 4, Leader
splicing, 4 - 8, Enticing
hookworm, 4 - 16, Bookworm
delight, 4 - 64, Joy

inferno, 5 - 43, Hell
asteroid, 5 - 47, Attached
envelop, 5 - 53, Cocoon
peace, 5 - 59, Poise
deadly, 5 - 61, Medley
deploy, 5 - 71, Joy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject: 465 Reply with quote

I'm expecting the solution to come from each of the numbers in the series that aren't used for each letter. It's heading towards:

THROW GRAMMAR (or POLITENESS) OUT THE WINDOW.

Meaning the solution to Blinkenlights uses:

INSPECTORS / GUARDIANS / and either GRAMMAR or POLITENESS

EDIT:

PROTECTORS seems to work. Rhymes with INSPECTORS, synonym of GUARDIANS, matches first/last/length with POLITENESS.

So:

For Betsy Johnson, call in THROW GRAMMAR OUT THE WINDOW.

For Blinkenlights, call in PROTECTORS


Still ready to skip the current puzzle, though...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: 466 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
I'm expecting the solution to come from each of the numbers in the series that aren't used for each letter. It's heading towards:

THROW GRAMMAR (or POLITENESS) OUT THE WINDOW.

Meaning the solution to Blinkenlights uses:

INSPECTORS / GUARDIANS / and either GRAMMAR or POLITENESS

EDIT:

PROTECTORS seems to work. Rhymes with INSPECTORS, synonym of GUARDIANS, matches first/last/length with POLITENESS.

So:

For Betsy Johnson, call in THROW GRAMMAR OUT THE WINDOW.

For Blinkenlights, call in PROTECTORS


Still ready to skip the current puzzle, though...


Correct and correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:31 am    Post subject: 467 Reply with quote

Let's head over to Critic #2: Charles Lutwidge Dodgson.

Investigator's Report

This critic puzzle reuses the following answers:

ENUMERATE
OCTOPOD
VESTIGE
SO CLOSE

It also introduces 8 new puzzles, in no particular order.

Here's the first: Audio Games by Michael Constant
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: 468 Reply with quote

For Audio Games, all but one seems familiar, but I can only ID the easiest one. #7 is Super Mario Bros, sounds like Level 1-1.

Unfortunately, Shazam isn't helping me Dispirited
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:40 pm    Post subject: 469 Reply with quote

Can't help much with Audio Games - was never big into video games. I do find it extremely suspicious that the audio files are all 26 seconds long, however - does this mean that one is supposed to identify a major event in each gameplay audio selection and find which second it occurs in? Good luck if so.

On Zugzwaang, I'm quite sure I could have completed it given the Arimaa aha. Shall I go ahead and do so even though I saw the answer?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: 470 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
Can't help much with Audio Games - was never big into video games. I do find it extremely suspicious that the audio files are all 26 seconds long, however - does this mean that one is supposed to identify a major event in each gameplay audio selection and find which second it occurs in? Good luck if so.

On Zugzwaang, I'm quite sure I could have completed it given the Arimaa aha. Shall I go ahead and do so even though I saw the answer?


Nah, I decree that someone should either solve it legitimately, or that the Okla-Holmes-a meta should be solved without it (and remember, its answer is used later on in another critic meta). Not every puzzle needs to be forward solved (you guys just correctly backsolved Blinkenlights, for example). Every meta has been solved without all the answers, so don't be afraid to try stabbing at the metas whenever you want.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:40 pm    Post subject: 471 Reply with quote

Fair enough. I'm stumped on the Okla-Holmes-a meta, though. 6/7 answers, each of length 6-8 letters, two that are two-word phrases. I got nothing.

Looking at the Dodgson meta, it is going to require pretty much all 12 answers to make progress, it seems like. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson is Lewis Carroll's real name, btw. (Haven't we already seen Carroll? I guess that puzzle's answer shows up here, appropriately enough.)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 5:56 pm    Post subject: 472 Reply with quote

Just to get the Okla-Holmes-A meta here for ease:

1. CARPAL
2. THE SOUTH
3. STERNO
4. BYLINE
5. SO CLOSE
6
7. VESTIGE

I''m assuming the numbering is important somehow.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:01 pm    Post subject: 473 Reply with quote

gftt* wrote:
Fair enough. I'm stumped on the Okla-Holmes-a meta, though. 6/7 answers, each of length 6-8 letters, two that are two-word phrases. I got nothing.

Looking at the Dodgson meta, it is going to require pretty much all 12 answers to make progress, it seems like. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson is Lewis Carroll's real name, btw. (Haven't we already seen Carroll? I guess that puzzle's answer shows up here, appropriately enough.)


The person who wrote the Alice in Wonderland puzzle also wrote the Dodgson meta. It's not coincidence...Alice in Wonderland was one of the proposed themes at the beginning of the year, and the author came to the table with a bunch of puzzle ideas (Caterpillars was another wayward Wonderland idea).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: 474 Reply with quote

Suspence wrote:
Just to get the Okla-Holmes-A meta here for ease:

1. CARPAL
2. THE SOUTH
3. STERNO
4. BYLINE
5. SO CLOSE
6
7. VESTIGE

I''m assuming the numbering is important somehow.


I don't think it's too much of a hint to say that the numbering is important only in that there isn't a "reorder" step like there was with the Circus Line meta. The answers are given in the correct order.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: 475 Reply with quote

I guess the other thing to think about would be how Oklahoma or Sherlock Holmes might lead to a meta (in the same way that circuses led to the Circus Line meta - 3 rings for 3 O's). I don't know the Holmes canon very well, though - is there a group of 7 objects somewhere in there?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: 476 Reply with quote

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075194/
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: 477 Reply with quote

For the Oklaholmesa meta, Each answer can be broken down into periodic elements (C Ar P Al, for example). Not sure what to do with that, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: 478 Reply with quote

Get the atomic numbers would be my first thought.

C Ar P Al
6 18 15 13
F R O M

Th Es O U Th
90 99 8 92 90

S Te Rn O
16 52 86 8

B Y Li Ne
5 39 3 10

S O Cl O Se
16 8 17 8 34

???
???

V Es Ti Ge
23 99 22 32

So CARPAL gives FROM. Doesn't seem like a coincidence. I'm not sure what to do with the rest. Trying mod26 with these doesn't get me anything intelligible.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: 479 Reply with quote

At least I was sort of on the right track: "Elementary, my dear Watson." Revenge most foul!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:27 am    Post subject: 480 Reply with quote

Coming back to this after a break, I can now see what at least some of the trick is, although I can't quite make out the final answer.

I am impressed by the "aha" that spotted the elements though - I can't see anything that really points to it, although I grant you that "elementary, dear Watson" is a fine clue; it just seems a bit like hindsight in action.

Anyway, it's all in the numbers. There is one number in each set that doesn't really match with the others, and the first three spell out C - O - Rn - Y, which looks promising for an Oklahoma! reference.
Can anyone else fill in the rest?
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