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3iff
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: 401 |
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| (Si) it is a commonly used word |
Indeed...hence not an issue. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: 402 |
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Well that's why I didn't buzz it. It just prompted me to wonder how much leniency there was. There are many "foreign" phrases that are incorporated into English and that are in common use. "Si" would be amongst that group.
Hasta la vista, baby! |
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Sentran
Ray of Sucking Funshine
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:40 pm Post subject: 403 |
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Still trying to complete my rule. I have all but one of the previous rules followed. _________________ Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland |
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Sentran
Ray of Sucking Funshine
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: 404 |
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My computer restarted and ate my rule. In the interest of not holding up the game further, I concede. Good luck, you two! _________________ Sentran
"Speaking of double negatives, I haven't read greylab yet today." - Lifeinmomland |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:01 am Post subject: 405 |
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I don't blame you bowing our Sentran. Getting rules to fit was becoming very difficult.
I guess I'm in now with a clean sheet. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:02 am Post subject: 406 |
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| After removing all of the whitespace from your rule, the MD5 hash for it should end with the Hex digits "434F". |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:05 am Post subject: 407 |
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MD5(Afterremovingallofthewhitespacefromyourrule,theMD5hashforitshouldendwiththeHexdigits"434F".) = DD8E8F982A0B74500EDE5CD3f3C434F
There are many online tools available to calculate the hash. I used This one to confirm that my rule was correct.
http://md5-hash-online.waraxe.us/ |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:19 am Post subject: 408 |
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I posted this rule because I assumed that DMTsurel had some computer programming knowledge.
I now realise that I may have been mistaken.
If so, then the rule is probably unfair and it would be better if I were to write another rule. |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: 409 |
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| I have programming knowledge, and I understand how the MD5 hashing function works. What I don't know is how to manipulate the string so it will produce a specific ending. I'd personally like to hear the details (here or by PM), but I think you should retract the rule and think of a (hopefully simpler) one. |
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novice
No harm. Pun intended!
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: 410 |
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| DMTsurel wrote: |
| What I don't know is how to manipulate the string so it will produce a specific ending |
One of the design goals of hashing algorithms is to make this task difficult - small changes in the input produce large changes in the output.
So the rule is quite devillish. |
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3iff
very unbifflike
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:10 am Post subject: 411 |
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I agree. A single character change can have a big and unpredictable effect on the hashtag.
Jack_Ian, I think such a rule is against the spirit of the game and would ask you to submit a fairer rule.
Sentran. Sorry to lose you from the game...but the rules were becoming horrendous. I sympathise.
Whenever I'm composing stuff, I make frequent backups...a result of some of my earlier computers spontaneously resetting for no discernable reason! |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:33 pm Post subject: 412 |
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| Figure out a way to seamlessly include the word "emunction" into your rule. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: 413 |
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This was the type of rule I was planning for my second entry where I would use a program to select a word that resulted in the correct MD5. I had other constructions in mind too. All equally evil.  |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: 414 |
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SCENE II. A public place.
Enter MERCUTIO, BENVOLIO, Page, and Servants
BENVOLIO
I pray thee, good Jack_Ian, let us not make haste:
henceforth, rules should be composed as a Shakespearean play;
Including, leastwise, a stage direction, a character name,
and a speech commanding the players on their proper conduct.
MERCUTIO
Achoo!
MERCUTIO emits a loud sneeze, followed by a hasty emunction.
BENVOLIO
Mercutio, have I not told you?
When the bagpipe sings i’ the nose,
be sure to cover thy sneeze with a sleeve. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: 415 |
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SCENE III. A local tavern
Lord Timberlake
Such a thirst have I, that my stomach fears my throat were cut. Fetch me a drink!
Sony
Willst thou have a single my lord?
Enter LORD BIEBER and entourage
Lord Bieber
Pray landlord! A drink for all if you please. I wish to share the joy of the birth of my son and heir, Justin.
Lord Timberlake
'twas more emunction than birth, to visit such slime upon us as this. Not enough that he pretends to my throne, but that he would steal my name also. I'll not accept such foul grog as 'twould turn rancid in me.
Sony
You would do well to hold your tongue and accept the offer. It is beneath you to act thus. The power you wield is but held by a single thread and Lord Bieber has many supporters. Leastwise remain open to joint ventures and toast to fair fortunes for all.
Lord Timberlake
Your greed adds tint to your judgement. I tire of such pretence to piety. 'twas such contortions as did destroy the fair Lady Britney. Drink I will then, but to numb my senses rather, that I may purge this foul memory. I vow henceforth that my every dialogue include some alcohol or reference thereto, that my ears be numb also. For I would rather no longer hear than be inflicted with such pains as this foul youth might bring forth, and command all who follow me do likewise. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:55 pm Post subject: 416 |
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That was fun,
Just realised that I may have made a mistake though but it was the same mistake that DMTsurel made.
We were supposed to include "a speech commanding the players" and yet we both commanded a single player "on their proper conduct".
However, DMTsurel was the first to make the mistake.
Tentative BUZZ |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: 417 |
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| I disagree with buzzing either rules. I wrote "let us", and Benvolio declares "rules should be", meaning all future rules made by any player. In your rule, Lord Timberlake ends his speech with "and command all who follow me do likewise", again addressing future rules. I think any rule which is clear enough on what it intends the players to do should be fine. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:33 pm Post subject: 418 |
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| Oh! I assumed you meant players within the play rather than players within the game. Especially since Benvolio instructs Mercutio on how to behave correctly. |
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3iff
very unbifflike
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:25 am Post subject: 419 |
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Enter a handsome man.
Genius...
I'm not upholding a buzz, even a tentative one, lest the audience pelt me with rotten vegetables and offal.
Besides, as you were wont to post a rule and then have the temerity to buzz DMT...well, that's the wrong sequence, even for a half-hearted buzz.
If rules be the food of love, Play on...
Handsome man exits stage left. |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: 420 |
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SCENE IV. The CS lab
Enter DMTSUREL, he heads straight to the nearest computer, muttering under his breath
DMTSUREL
Time is very slow for those who wait. Very fast for those who are scared of upcoming tests. I must speak fast, for I must study: emunction, rum, liver! Your rules should also containg at least one body part. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:27 pm Post subject: 421 |
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BUZZ
OK You're under pressure, so I can can understand your haste but that doesn't mean we have to forgive a bad rule.
I'm buzzing on the following grounds:
(1) This is not in that manner of a "Shakespearean" play. If you said just "a play" then there would not have been the need for Shakespearean language.
(2) You did not include the word "leastwise".
(3) Your inclusion of "emunction, rum, liver" into your text is completely arbitrary and without any context. It's certainly not in the spirit of the rules.
Best of luck in your exams though. You're probably right to focus your concentration on them. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:11 pm Post subject: 422 |
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| (4) "emunction must be "seamlessly" included in your rule. It's supposed to look like it belongs there. |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:15 pm Post subject: 423 |
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I disagree.
(1) I tried to work in some literary effects which should resemble the language of a Shakespearean play.
(2) The word "leastwise" is not a requirement. Its meaning in my previous rule was that the rule should contain at least "a stage direction, a character name, and a speech..."
(3-4) I don't think following the rules in a straightforward but unimaginative manner is "not in the spirit of the rules". In the previous round, we saw rules which were much more contrived, and had almost no grammatical sense, but were not buzzed.
(I must note that you seem a bit too eager to buzz. My goal in this game is not to win but to have fun.) |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:05 am Post subject: 424 |
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I want to have fun too. In fact I loved your Shakespearean rule (and said so), but the fun for me is in rising to the challenge.
If you pay scant regard to the formulation of rules then you have to expect to be buzzed. I was actually rather disappointed that you failed to come up with a better rule. I was looking forward to the challenge. You were such a good competitor in the previous rounds.
The restrictions in the previous rounds made the construction of coherent sentences very difficult. Your inability to add "emunction" seamlessly to your rule was just because you could not be bothered to make the effort and likewise for your failure to use Shakespearean language.
That's understandable, you had bigger fish to fry. |
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3iff
very unbifflike
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Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:17 am Post subject: 425 |
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| DMTsurel wrote: |
(1) I tried to work in some literary effects which should resemble the language of a Shakespearean play.
(2) The word "leastwise" is not a requirement. Its meaning in my previous rule was that the rule should contain at least "a stage direction, a character name, and a speech..."
(3-4) I don't think following the rules in a straightforward but unimaginative manner is "not in the spirit of the rules". In the previous round, we saw rules which were much more contrived, and had almost no grammatical sense, but were not buzzed. |
Assessing DMT's rule...
(1) Poor representation (of a Shakespearean play) but not terminal, for now.
(2) "Leastwise" to me does mean "at least"... rather than having to include the word within the rule, so that's ok.
(3-4) Emunction is a word I have NEVER previously used and so trying to 'seamlessly' include it would be tricky for me...but it's not my job to do so. "emunction, rum, liver!" is (just about) acceptable.
Buzz declined.
In the final, it's going to take something a bit more than a slight technical abberation to get a buzz to stick, but...
DMT, as you introduced the Shakespearean rule, I will be expecting you to uphold the "play" requirements in your future rules.
If anyone needs more time due to real-life problems (or dreaded tests) then just ask...I'm still away from the forum for more than half the week anyway! |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:30 am Post subject: 426 |
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SCENE V The Castle Wall
Lady 3iff
What manner of drunken beast awakes me at this un-Godly hour?
JACK_IAN steps into the light
Jack_Ian
Begging your pardon my lady, 'tis I, your humble servant, come to issue the newest demand from the King, who now rests after much wine and merry-making.
Lady 3iff
What manner of drunken revelry be this? How may I be certain the message is indeed from the King's own mouth? Did he perchance relay also a password?
Jack_Ian
Indeed, your ladyship, "emunction", tho t'was difficult to be certain as wine didst slur his words.
Lady 3iff
Make haste then, without my nightcap my head grows cold in this foul damp air.
Jack_Ian
Indeed your ladyship, 'tis a night for hot toddies, to be sure.
The King commands that all official communication take place on the half-hour, that he may have time to pursue personal matters.
Any communication outside of that time, as witnessed by Lord 3iff on the post clock, shall incur the most terrible consequence. |
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jbvntx
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:36 pm Post subject: 427 |
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Does that fit with the game rules?
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| Rules may not force players to only post at certain times of day. |
_________________ jbv |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:08 pm Post subject: 428 |
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Oops! I didn't see that rule, but perhaps it is still valid.
The game rule was to prevent forcing people to write their rules at inhospitable times. My rule is only a matter of timing.
I'll let 3iff decide. |
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3iff
very unbifflike
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: 429 |
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I would say that the rule (on the half hour) is almost meaningless in itself...unless it means posting between the half hour and hour (.30 to .59.99 minutes).
However, the rules banning postings at certain times of day must take precedence even though there would otherwise be plenty of posting opportunities.
Try again Jack_Ian. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:11 pm Post subject: 430 |
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Just back from a business trip.
Sorry for being such a trouble-maker, I'll post another rule later tonight.
btw.
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half-hour
2a. the point of time 30 minutes after the beginning of an hour |
so the rule meant that the "Posted date" must show 30 for the minutes, though since the rule was invalidated the point is moot. |
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3iff
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:20 pm Post subject: 431 |
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I was referring to the phrase "on the half-hour" which might have been taken as having 30 as the minute value on the post (which would have been dreadfully restrictive)...
...but as you say, that's moot now. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:01 pm Post subject: 432 |
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SCENE V The Forum
jbvntx
Hark! A gentleman draws near
He bringeth another task I fear.
I hope 'tis better than the last
Or I'll buzzeth him him again and fast
DMTsurel
Here cometh now that whore's emunction
To end his reign is my compunction
With his foul rules of twixt the hour
'tis enough to turn the whiskey sour.
enter JACK_IAN
Jack_Ian
'tis I, your joker back for more
Pray do not show me to the door
For 'tis with effort beyond measure
I bring each rule for your own pleasure
To make each rule, tho fun, alas
I pray this time the torch will pass
3iff
Hang thine cloak on yon rusty nail
Let us hear the trials we dare not fail.
Jack_Ian
O' my fair lady, 'tis with no further ado
that I bring the latest task to you
For each play now must have characters four
and each must speak, but wait there's more
For each must speak in words that rhyme
in Shakespearian tongue. O how sublime.
And to tax your wit to the very brink
let cocktails be the choice of drink. |
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Duke Gnome
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: 433 |
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jbvntx
Hark! A gentleman draws near
He bringeth another task I fear.
I hope 'tis better than the last
Or I'll buzzeth him him again and fast |
Where's the cocktail here? Not buzzing, just asking. |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: 434 |
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Gentleman
There are 2 versions with the same name.
One is a depth charge type,
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| Gentleman - A shot of 151-proof rum dropped into a glass of stout. |
The other is The Gentleman's Cocktail, sometimes abbreviated to Gentleman. |
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DMTsurel
The Other Israeli
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: 435 |
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| I forfeit. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:32 am Post subject: 436 |
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That doesn't rhyme.
I understand you're under pressure with exams.
I really don't mind waiting a while for your entry.
This round was shaping up to be quite fun.
I'd much rather it ended with a bang than a whimper, even if I'm the casualty. |
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3iff
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: 437 |
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...what Jack_Ian says...
DMT. If you need time then I'm prepared to wait |
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3iff
very unbifflike
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:13 am Post subject: 438 |
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DMTsurel has confirmed his forfeit, real life catching up with his spare time.
So, Congrats to Jack_Ian, victor of a hard fought and sometimes difficult rules game. |
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Jack_Ian
Big Endian
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:50 pm Post subject: 439 |
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Thanks 3iff, shame how it ended.
It looked like it was going to be an interesting final round.
Well played DMTsurel. |
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