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Jedo the Jedi
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 Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:25 pm Post subject: 121 |
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That's only if he plans to pass next time. As it stands, he can take this outright. Additionally, if he doesn't want this pot, by making you and Monk take less pass money, he has a better chance of being able to guarantee himself the next pot.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: 122 |
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So... My critique of this game is that being later in the round is ~much~ better. First of all, your information stays secret longer. Second, you generally can get more points by holding out long enough to know if the pot is good or bad.
As many pots are destined to not be that good, it is usually going to be better to pass for 6 points. Especially because spending money is counted exactly the same as Cats.
In nearly every round, the bidding has gone around about 1 time. I don't expect to see many raises.
Right now if Scurra opted to bid so strongly that everyone would want to pass, UM, Zag, Me, and then Jedo would befit the most and in that order. If the pot was actually worth 6 more then his bid there would be a small net gain for Scurra.
So basically the only choice he has is based on his card and how he thinks other players will react to a bid. |
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Zag
Unintentionally offensive old coot
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:17 pm Post subject: 123 |
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| MatthewV wrote: |
| So... My critique of this game is that being later in the round is ~much~ better. |
True, but everyone has had exactly equal opportunity to be in that position. Well, except Jedo, who didn't have the chips to maneuver when he was in that position, so he didn't really get the opportunity.
When you are sending in your choice, you should be thinking about your position and others' position, when your card will be revealed, how you can manipulate the bidding, etc. While I agree that all of these sorts of games have an element of luck, this one is less so. The similar game that we played recently, where the card to be bid on came up randomly, that had a lot less strategy available, IMHO.
In this game, once I really understood it, I've been thinking a whole round ahead. In the round that I won, at least a couple people made a mistake by not playing a negative or big dog card, since you should have known that the tall stack (i.e. me) got to play last. Of course, if you had overdone it, then I would just have waited another round, but you might have intuited that I played my biggest card that round, so I was somewhat committed to taking it.
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Scurra
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: 124 |
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| Zag wrote: |
| The similar game that we played recently, where the card to be bid on came up randomly, that had a lot less strategy available, IMHO. |
That would presumably be why I do a lot better in that game than I ever have playing this one. (I agree that there is more strategy in this one but it helps if players don't forget important details..!)
Anyway, I bid 9.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:11 am Post subject: 125 |
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After Round 1, one person will always have fewer points compared to the other people. Jedo being a low number wasn't a fluke.
Actually I think I would like if you could only possibly bid once and the cards were revealed in a reverse order. |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:17 am Post subject: 126 |
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| Zag wrote: |
| In the round that I won, at least a couple people made a mistake by not playing a negative or big dog card, since you should have known that the tall stack (i.e. me) got to play last. Of course, if you had overdone it, then I would just have waited another round, but you might have intuited that I played my biggest card that round, so I was somewhat committed to taking it. |
I realized it fully after the 2nd card came up. But if person 4 and 5 had done something bad I could have been completely screwed. It should have been a lemon but you would have been able to duck it if had been
Like in the round I planned on winning (the 2nd round) until it had 2/3 bad cards. Scurra got stuck with that lemon! |
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Jedo the Jedi
Paragon in Training
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:25 am Post subject: 127 |
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I will bid 10.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:25 pm Post subject: 128 |
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| Oh right, bid 12. |
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Zag
Unintentionally offensive old coot
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:08 pm Post subject: 129 |
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pass
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| I couldn't agree with you more, Zag. |
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: 130 |
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Zag gets 2, revealing a -8.
5, -8, ?, ?, ?
Back to monk |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:45 am Post subject: 131 |
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| Sigh. I guess the real hiding place in this game is the 2nd position. |
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Undercover Monk
Professor Chaos
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: 132 |
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pass
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:25 pm Post subject: 133 |
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Monk passes for 3, revealing another negative.
5, -8, -5, ?, ? |
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Jedo the Jedi
Paragon in Training
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: 134 |
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Well, Matt, I hope you put in something good. I can't bid again, and I'm pretty sure Scurra doesn't want another negative pot.
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:10 pm Post subject: 135 |
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| I put in junk also. |
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Scurra
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: 136 |
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Pass
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:06 pm Post subject: 137 |
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Scurra collects 4, revealing a 3.
And Jedo must pass for 6, revealing the last card....another -5.
1. Scurra (26) [Cats: -5]
2. Jedo (16) [Cats: 18]
*3. MattV (10) [Cats: 3]
4. Zag (18) [Cats: 47]
5. Undercover Monk (23) [Cats: 13]
Bank: 15
Send for round 7. Some of you tried to send things you've already used before, if anyone wants a reminder of what they have left, PM me. |
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:34 am Post subject: 138 |
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| Oops, forgot to update the thread with the usual reminder. |
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mv*
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:51 am Post subject: 139 |
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Sigh, that is what happens when you get distracted because you try too hard. I am guessing it happened to all us because we all visit the same site...
And I got mad at Zag for doing well before the game was over. 
I have never forgotten about a logic game. But I also always made a rule to myself-- never post about it until the game was over. No matter how much you want to.
(ummm could you email my remaining cards? I am trying to avoid logging in for my own benefits and reasons pseudonym125[at]yahoo.com) |
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MatthewV
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:14 am Post subject: 140 |
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Screw it, I need to post sometimes to make pottery.
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dethwing
DeTheeThaw
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:59 am Post subject: 141 |
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| Still waiting.... |
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Undercover Monk
Professor Chaos
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject: 142 |
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jedo is in the midst of a move and Im not sure if MattV is coming back for awhile
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2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
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Jedo*
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: 143 |
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I thought I sent before I left, but I will submit ---Deleted--- in case I didn't. The players are on their honor not to cheat I guess, but it's the risk I take.
---I got it and deleted, thanks. Dethwing |
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