SURVIVOR MAFIA- TOWN WINS reunion show

[Mackay]

Oh and major props to Elethiomel, whom I've never really encountered before. It was a crying shame to lose jadesmar, whom I also really like, but Eleth was a spectacular replacement. I love the way he plays, his general demeanour, and his thoughtfulness. I don't think any of it is negated by the fact that I was mafia - only the two players who know me well (in Amb's case, extremely well - he is one of my first and best GL friends) really cottoned on.

(So relieved I wasn't incredibly obvious after years out of practice, btw.)

jadesmar, what happened? Please tell me you googled "Bob Crawley" so I can both laugh and feel terrible for you.

[Undercover Monk]

This is what you get when you google Bob Crawley and the site isnt there https://www.google.com/search?q=Bob+Crawley&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

so I dont know what he googled but it isnt there

Also thanks TGC I was hoping people enjoyed the kill scenes I appreciate the encouragement I love making people laugh. So I hope I brought some amusement.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Undercover Monk]

Roles:

You are “Boston” Rob Mariano
Role: Mafia Godfather- You win by eliminating all non mafia players. As the Godfather you are immune to investigations. You also hold final say as to who you will be blindsiding (aka the night kill). You are aligned with Russel Hantz and Parvati Shallow. You also have a safe claim of Ben “Coach” Wade. You may share that piece of info with your teammates if you wish but its yours to keep if you want.
Info: Sometimes known as the Rob-father. Boston Rob is a survivor ledgend having played 4 times and making finals twice. A vetren reality show star Rob’s charisma allows him o make alliances easily and just as easily stab his alliance in the back and walk away.

You are Russel Hantz
Role: Mafia Goon-You win by eliminating all non mafia players. You also start the game with 3 Hidden Immunity Idols. If you tell me during the night you want to play an idol all votes cast against you at the end of the next day will not count. Someone else will be lynched. You also perform the kills for the mafia. Your allies are Boston Rob and Parvati Shallow.
Info: Russel Hantz is the most reviled Survivor villain ever. (Til Colton Crumbie came along that is. Hes not in the game but I wouldn’t suggest using him as a safe claim.) Russel made finals two seasons in a row and lost both times because literally no one could stand the evil hat wearing gnome. However the one thing Russel can do better than anyone find HIIs.

You are Parvati Shallow
Role: Mafia Flirt-You win by eliminating all non mafia players. You also have a nighttime ability. You may send me the name of one other player and the next day they will vote the same way you do. This ability is unlimited. Your allies are Boston Rob and Russel Hantz.
Info: One of the leaders of the black widow alliance, Parvati Shallow is the definition of Ice Queen. She uses her attractiveness to seduce guys into an alliance before voting them out when they cease to be useful has made final twice and won once.

You are Rob Cesternino
Role: Serial Killer-You win if you are the last man standing. Good Luck
Info: Rob Cesternino is my favorite player of all time. In the Amazon he jumped from alliance to alliance and used humor to avoid being voted out til final 3 when he was voted out for being a threat to win. He was the first true Survivor strategist.

You are Richard Hatch
Role: Alliance Maker/Mafia Replacement- You win if you and your alliance are the last ones standing. On any given night you may give me the name of any other player I will send them a request to join an alliance with you. If they join there win condition changes to yours. If the mafia are eliminated you get a night kill ability as well. There are some gullible town members who will join your alliance automatically if you ask. However you may only have two other players in your alliance at one time.
Richard Hatch Cont.
Info: The Original Sole Survivor and Villian. He started the practice of forming an alliance to control the vote. He was a true mastermind controlling the vote with his strategy and became the first player to use his role as a catcher of food to get himself deep in the game. Also Bit a Freakin Shark in All-Stars.

You are Colby Donaldson:
Role: Challenge Dominator/ Mason- You are an Unconfirmed mason with Jerri Manthey. You may talk in a private forum during the night phase of the game and only the night phase. You also have the option anytime to go on an immunity run and you will be safe for five straight phases no blindsides and no votes once started you can’t stop it nor can you use it more than once. You win with the town.
Info: Colby was the first Survivor “Hero” winning the last 5 immunity challenges and choosing to take ally Tina over the easily beatable Kieth to the finals in his first season. He also has a rivalry with Jerri who has appeared in all 3 seasons Colby has played.

You are Jerri Manthey:
Role: Mason-You are an Unconfirmed mason with Colby Donaldson. You may talk in a private forum during the night phase and only the night phase. You win with the town. Since your characther appears on the villain tribe and Colby is unlikely to trust you you do have one HII to use. If you tell me during the night you want to play an idol all votes cast against you at the end of the next day will not count.
Info: Jerry was the first feme fatale in Survivor History. She was so dislike by fans that she was booed off the stage at the reunion show. She finished fourth in Heroes Vs. Villians.

You are Sandra Diaz-Twine:
Role: Cop- Very simple you give me a player every night I tell you if they are mafia. You win with the town.
Info: Sandra is the only two time winner in Survivor History. She was the only player to not buy Johnny Fairplay’s dead grandma story. That’s because as Sandra would say, “I can see through your Bull $#@%!!!!!”

You are Rupert Boneham
Role: Pirate(redirector)- In pearl islands episode one Rupert (who would later be on the heroes tribe) stole the shoes of the other tribe and sold them to get stuff for his tribe at a island village. In the same way you can choose one player a night and redirect their action to someone else they will not be told that they have been redirected. You also can use a rock to fake that you have an idol. Tell me on a night phase and I will inform everyone via the thread in the morning that you found an idol and plan on playing it. It may discourage voting. You win with Town.
Info: Rupert is one of the most popular players to play the game. A giant bearded man who rivals Ozzy and Richard Hatch for best fisherman. But hes not above playing dirty to help his team.

You are James “JT” Thomas Jr.
Role: Mason/ Challenge Dominator-You are a confirmed mason with Stephen Fishbach. You may pm each other anytime during the game night or day. You also have the option anytime to go on an immunity run and you will be safe for three straight phases no blindsides and no votes once started you can’t stop it nor can you use it more than once. You win with town.
Info: JT is the first player to play a perfect games. In Tocantins he received no votes til the finale where he received every vote to win. He was a great physical threat but was a bit naive making alliances with Russel in HvV and Coach and Tyson in Tocantins.

You Are Stephen Fishbach
Role: Mason- You are a confirmed mason with JT. You may pm each other anytime during the game night or day. You win with the town.
Info: Stephen teamed up with polar oppisite JT in Tocantins and the two ran the game and made it to the finals where while Stephen was respected for his gameplay was no where near popular as JT and lost in a land slide to his friend and ally.

You are Jessica “Sugar” Kiper
Role: roleblocker- Simple give me the name of any player and their actions for that night phase will be stopped. You win with town.
Info: No one expected a skinny little model would make such a splash in survivor but don’t tell this little firecracker what to do. Shes flipped off Evil grump Randy, hateful witch Corrine, and Sandra who holds five degrees in BAness. Plus she was a constant wrench in the scheme of every would be strategist on Gabon.

You are Bob Crawley
Role: Idol Maker-You are a normal townie except that you have the ability to make and send out two fake HII. If someone tries to play them, they will be shocked to find their torch snuffed. You win with Town.
Info: Bob Crawley is not famous for winning Survivor Gabon. He’s famous for making 2 fake idols and using both to eliminate another player. And for using physics to win an immunity challenge.

Phillip Shepherd
Role: Cop-Very simple you give me a player every night I tell you if they are mafia. You win with the town.
Info: Federal Agent Phillip Shepherd burst on to the survivor scene and made history. He formed an alliance with Boston Rob that he code named Stealth-R-Us and it earned him a second place finish in Redemption Island.

Yau-Man Chan
Role: Idol Finder-Each night you may search for a Hidden Immunity Idol. Each night it gets harder. Night one you will find it. Night 2 you have a ½ chance. Night 3 a 1/3 chance and so on. If you tell me during the night you want to play an idol all votes cast against you at the end of the next day will not count. You can play the idol on whoever you want. You win with Town.
Info: a small old Asian man on Survivor, and a fan favorite? You bet. His turtle dance and his tenacity are legendary. Unfortunately he has never made finals.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Mackay]

[Jedo the Jedi]

Well, I was right about ralphm and Deception. I was waaaay wrong about Sentran and Mackay. Only after I was dead and realized that a doctor claim was silly because salvation from death was being meted by idols did I realize Mackay should be scum. I should have seen that earlier.

MNO...so predictable in your choice.

Mackay, if you had flipped town, I would be chewing into you about why you persisted beyond all reason to believe there was more cult. As it is, I see you were partly deluded and partly playing it up.

TGC, don't lie as town again. Please. I know you like to show the win as evidence that you are justified in your actions, but you could instead consider that town would have had two cops for a chunk of the game to help bring down the scum. Between Amb and myself, rm would quickly have been dispatched.

Amb, many kudos to you on your play. You did extremely well in your reads. A bit rabid at times and not particularly level-headed, but it worked out.

Elethiomel, also an excellent job. Your rhetoric was particularly fine. After I died I began to suspect you simply because I couldn't figure out why scum would botch a claim to the extent that they actually cross-claimed an existing role like that. I figured there must be a gambit with the only safe claim they had. Anyway, you are nicely suited to playing mafia (as long as you don't let all us crazies annoy you).

Monk, I actually think it was pretty balanced, now knowing the full setup. I am curious why my idol played on Mackay the day after my death ( ) was not transferred to Elethiomel. Beyond that, the only thing I think would have evened it out more is if the mafia had to choose who was performing the kill. This would allow them to get around TGC's role which was specifically designed to find mafia.

Good game, all. Minus ally's going out on the first night, I think every faction had a reasonable chance for winning.
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Undercover Monk]

The mechanic wasnt broken he assumed he would be able to force the mafia to kill itself he could not. He could only redirect from person A to person B.

I will adress the kill mechanic later and will I do apologize for the role posting but that has nothing to do with the balance and again I point out you had a shot to win at the end so I would say fairly balanced. Right now Im watching AGT
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Mackay]

I would also like to know about the idol. Maybe you found a fake one? It's posible if you were, in fact, taking idols that already existed in the game. Because if idols *don't* get redirected by TGC then Sentran should have survived his lynching.

[Undercover Monk]

Roles were just Survivors I really liked LOL no real system. I considerd Heroes Vs Villians but as I will point out later not all the Villians were that villinous. For example Coach was gonna be in the game and would have been town alligned. Johnny Fairplay would have been a fourth mafia if I had gotten at least 18.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Mackay]

[Mackay]

[MNOWAX]

First I want to say, I was planning on either Zag or Amb as my first recruit, but when Amb jumped up and had to claim mason, I chose to pick up Zag instead. If I had lived another night ( since after recruiting Zag, I realized I could recruit masons) I was leaning towards Deception or Amb. When Zag told me he lied about him being culted by Zag, I was going to go after my original second choice of Amb. Unfortunately, Deception threw me under the bus along with Zag, and the whole ting collapsed.

Zag had a chance with his ability, but the cult died with him, and him alone. He could not recruit. In short, you are all paranoid, you almost let a scum victory happen by being afraid of the cult. In other words, job well done.

The scum played really well, it is a shame what happened to them, they had a really good chance of winning this game.

GG all, Thanks for Modding UM!

FWIW I don't think the game was broken. after I had died, I found the list of roles, and I didn't think it was broken, each side had it's power roles, I could have easily culted out some power roles as well.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Mackay]

I don't think the entire game was broken, either, but it included a broken mechanic.

I would have loved to see you cult TGC. Imagine a culted redirector and the havoc you could wreak!

[jadesmar]

I thought the game had a pretty good setup.. was unfortunate that I got to read it.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

That was a fun game. Too bad I didn't live long, but I like to think that my death helped Amb live to the end by confirming his townness.

Shameless plug time!

Only one game left before we start up Werewolf: the Apocalypse Mafia! Sign up is open.
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Most posts made from my phone.

[Amb]

Some of my rabidity can be put down to the sheer stress I was under with my Wife's illness. I certainly took out some stress on the game, and even posted at 3am in the morning when I couldn't sleep anyway.

[Amb]

I for one have screwed up when modding, so well done UM for keeping it going.

[Zag]

[Mackay]

[Zag]

Thanks.

[MNOWAX]

Mackay: Zag can soul read, that's why he plays poker.

Zag, Looking back on it, it may have been a better thought process to keep things straight with Deception,but hindsight is 20/20. The mafia would NEVER had targeted me in a million years, but I might have fallen victim to TGC's redirect. I'm very curious on why Deception chose to out the cult anyway, and why he lied about everything.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[MNOWAX]

also FWIW for the twon, we were allowed to talk during the day, so we both were like "WTF is Depection doing?"
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Undercover Monk]

my biggest regret was having the redirector power work on sentran. In retrospect I should have had him target Mackay to get the ability redirect kills since mackay is the one who sent in the kill order. and sentran would have to be roleblocked.

The biggest shock for me was that people didnt realize just how powerful Bob's role was. You guys all knew idols were in the game and many speculated correctly that Russel was in the cast and most likely had idols. Yet no one thought it would be a good idea to send the fake idols to suspected mafia members. EVEN after Amb received what seemed to be a real idol. That role was specifically meant to balance out sentran as the fake idols automatically got played first.

Also time to correct a few false tidbits some of you so called survivor fans missed.

Mackay I believe expressed confusion as to why Yauman was an idol finder. She said Yau only found one idol. WRONG. Yau-man found one in fiji AND one in Micronesia in the first episode. (This what at a time when there was not a bazillion to be found). James Clement as you metioned would have also filled this role nicely but I like Yau better.

Amb (I think) said that JT was more of a challenge dominator than Colby. WRONG. Colby held the record for most individual immunity wins (I think Terry n Panama tied him) JT only had 3.

I hope that didnt come off condescending but it drove me nuts I couldnt correct those. IM sure there were others but those two drove me nuts.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[Mackay]

[Mackay]

[MNOWAX]

yeah i tend to have some consistency with the tell Jedo brought up. I tend to try and not get myself lynched if i have a good power role. or am mafia. So i STFU and do my best not to gain attention to me. granted i have done the opposite, knowing that is a tell of mine...
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[3iff]

I'm going to have to read the last few posts again but some comments now.

A pity I replaced in just to be killed off 5 minutes later. The mafia were on the brink of success, I got killed and it was downhill from there.

Coach was the safeclaim but that didn't work as everyone assumed he was a baddie from the start...not a very safe claim.

Eleth replacing in was impressive, Deception lying was extremely confusing, Mackay is...wordy!...probably wrote about 50% of the entire thread.

It was nice to follow the game without really being involved and then I got a chance to see things from the inside.

Congrats to the town for narrowly edging us out, and to UM for running the game. Also to Mackay for keeping us involved by her ideas and thoughts in the mafia thread after we'd been killed off.

[Elethiomel]

Mackay, thanks for this compliment:

"I want to play mafia with 15 Elethiomels."

You also pretty much nailed it here:

"Eleth is very reasonable and I think he has listened to me because I express things in a more reasonable/clear way on an individual level, but my overall story falls apart in a lot of places when you look at the whole picture."

You played a great game, and I thought your posts contained too much genuine reasoning to be all made up. Immersing yourself in a paranoid hunt for cult probably helped, in that respect. I did start having some second thoughts on the day I was lynched, but that's kind of inevitable. Strategy wise, I think you might have stood a better chance by lynching Captin Aniima, and saving me for the last day. So I also couldn't really see how you could be a lone scum and not hammer her.

Amb also had very impressive reads in this game. He called two scum just on gut feeling, and allowed himself to be talked around on me. (It's not easy to actually change your mind.) I have to say I find his play style frustrating, though. He just plays with his cards way too close to the chest, and almost seems to deliberately attract suspicion. I knew he had a habit of being suspicious as town, but it was just hard to swallow some of his claims, particularly when he threw out bizarre conclusions like "Deception flipping town confirms Zag as town" without a shred of logical reasoning to support it. So yeah, great game Amb, but I find it hard to work with you.

Great call by TGC on night 3, obviously. Still a terrible call to lie about his role on day 1, though. He should have stuck to the truth, even if he didn't tell the full truth. He could have just claimed redirector, without going into the details. Mafia would assume he could redirect the targets, not the sources, and so they would probably avoid targeting him. (Plus, lots of players would probably doubt his claim, anyway.)

Looks like itisally was kind of shafted, by the way. I'd rate her chances of winning as close to 1%, way less than the 1/15th chance she should at least be entitled to. Serial killer with no crutches what so ever to help her make it until the end? A victory by her would have been truly amazing.

UM, your write-ups were good, but I like a mod to be slightly more active (i.e. less busy IRL). Also, I would advise you to make role PMs more self-contained. Seems like pretty much everybody (including me) had to seek multiple clarifications on their role. Good theme, and the setup was nice. (Although publishing it on the web is obviously a bad idea. )

In conclusion... I said earlier that I won't know how I feel about this game until it's over. At this point, I do actually feel pretty good about it, or at least much better than I did while it was in progress. Winning certainly helps.

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Amb]

[The Great Crep'er]

So even if you make the correct call about what your role does, make the most critical hit of the game, and get there in part by NOT revealing your potency (come on, be fair now, we all hear my role and go "OP") you still get bitched about for lying. I still think I made the right choice here and that when evaluating any player, it should come down to more than whether you think they are maintaining their lie. Obviously, you people can armchair quarterback until the cows come home about what I should have done in that scenario, but ultimately I was going to do what I felt was best in that scenario. It was a style of lynch that was unprecedented for me at the time, and it was a power I knew from the start that was not worth negotiating the full, true identity of. Blaming me for not thinking of your solution, is about as helpful as blaming me for not having your exact brain and playing under your approved method of play.

I realize upon second reading that this may come across as a little hostile. Please realize it's not my intent. I only wish that people would paint the scenario with a bit more realism before throwing me in the doghouse. Yes, it's true, I don't know what would have happened had I followed one of the above strategies, but based on what we have heard from the mafia at the end of the game, I'd wager dollars to doughnuts that telling the truth would get me killed. As a whole, I agree that honesty is the best policy, but heck, I'd still do the same thing in the same scenario because it is specialized and not approach each situation with the same general strategy. No one learns from just pinpointing the blame on one particular aspect or player, especially when the lie didn't even get me lynched and @Jedo I could say the same thing about you factoring past games in your decision to BW and not claim under fire of being lynched, you could factor in the whole "what could have my made my move unnecessary" factor and aye, there's the rub. We all have a different scope going into the game.

P.S. I still don't think not claiming is that much better. And I can link from experience. Unless you are an incredibly lucky town or scum play very horribly, chances are you won't have that great of a success rate based on D1. "In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing." - Theodore Roosevelt
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Potato. Belgium. Eight. Random Lynch # Mafia awaits.

[The Great Crep'er]

Oh, and UM if it's not too much trouble could you message the mods to get them to change my username to "The Great Crepper"?

[jadesmar]

[Jedo the Jedi]

TGC, this game shouldn't be based on powers though. Look how well Amb fingered the anti-town elements with no power. So, I don't give a damn what your power is, lying is the mark of scum, and there is no way to distinguish between a scum lying and a townie lying.

[The Great Crep'er]

-It should be noted that this post was typed before I saw Jedo's

At this point, even seeing the game end won't stop the bickering.

Oh well. That's life. And part of this game is recognizing my own faults and what can be done about them for next time. I think I have the long post thing under control...for now. (Hehehe) The lying about the role in name of self-preservation is something I think will come from a bit more experience. There has to be some way to get the latter without the former and hearty experimentation should never be shunned in this forum to achieve that. The confidence for me is coming from the fact that my survival was absolutely crucial in order to be able to make the move that really set mafia back aways, because if you read the scum thread, we were really that close to losing it. Who would have thunk that the only thing to mitigate the mafia OP was the town OP?

That, again, is why I had a few qualms at the end of the game with my role. It was a fun one, definitely my most favorite in terms of the standing so far, but having the power to kill people was intimidating to say the least. Just think what that role would have been in the hands of a better player or a lesser one. If it were Amb, it'd be hard to see how the mafia would stand a ghost of a chance at winning. With me, it's a bit more unpredictable, with me being something of an idiot, but regardless, it was indeed a mighty sword to wield.

The game here, over the past few months, really reflected Survivor, which was most fitting of all. Toppling of power, drama and tension, underlying conspiracy, and most fitting of all, watching a few select moves that I was uncomfortable with, speaking as a fan.

I'll be taking my $500,000 prize money, now. *waits for an oversized check*

[Undercover Monk]

Townies should never tell outright lies ever...EVER. Look at what happened when Deception lied you only had to save the town because he lied and got himself lynched. It causes more problems then it solved. If you hadnt claimed I would put your chances at survival at probably 99% you claimed on page 1. So it was an unnecesary lie.

I was surprised Mackay killed off Jedo and Elethiomel. Both believed her to be innocent even in the dead thread but as TGC its easy for me to be an armchair QB when I know everything as the mod.
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The Classic Blunders:
1. never get involved in a land war in Asia
2.Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line
3. Never release Peyton Manning

[itisally]

I got my role and had no idea what I would do with it. THat is always the case the first time I have a role. I had fun watching though. IT would have made the rediredting less effective to have a second killing party later in the game too. I will have a stratigy for next time. I think for the SK it isn't about winning so much as messing with everyone eles and laughing.
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I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.

[The Great Crep'er]

[Amb]

As an SK, it starts out that way. But I can tell you, when it closes in on end game as an SK and you are still uncaught - it can be freaking awesome. Nothing has ever replaced the game I won as SK in terms of sheer thrill. Especially the flukes I got along the way - A body guard gave his life to protect me - on the day the mafia actually attacked me. So I lived, and had a bonus of another player down.

[itisally]

I am always flatered to go early in a game. It usually means they think I could have figured them out.

I see how SK could be a lot of fun later and you still have the goal to figure out who the mafia are.
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