Heroes and Villains mafia - The town claim victory

[Jedo the Jedi]

TGC, I think you and I must see everything from the completely opposite perspective. I would like to find something on which we agree.

Amb was serious about his hammer vote. He was serious about lynching the first scummy person to come along so we could get out of that monster of a day. You say he cut any possible discussion short with his hammer of rae, but we were anything but short on discussion. In the opinion of a number of us, there had been far too much. We had reached the saturation point and needed to end our potentially endless cycle of hypotheticals and assumptions.

So, moving to rae was about the fact that he looked as scummy as Garou in that one post, therefore he should lynch and get us out of day. You disagree. His point about Garou today (the thing in response to my request for a good case) was that there was a good chunk yesterday which pointed to Garou being scum. That's it. I don't know where you read in this other stuff.

If Garou is telling the truth, that's definitely a town ability. I wish we had just tested that yesterday. Maybe the mafia will do us a favor of killing him tonight. Also, Amb is definitely town (in my opinion) if his power is real. In this small game, any power that affects day almost certainly has to be town.
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[The Great Crep'er]

[MNOWAX]

how bitter and trite. Assuming that isn't a bluff you gave away an ability to help the town.

At best you have become anti-town, more likely scum mow

Anti-town=scum in my mind.

If it was a bluff Unvote, Vote Amb.
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MNOWAX

[The Great Crep'er]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

With Ambs power alignment in question, I see it in one of two ways.
If it causes a lynch today, then I'd have to say it's a town power.
If it doesn't cause a lynch, then I'd say it's scum. It'd be too powerful for scum if it caused a lynch as well.
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[Sentran]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

If Ambs power is a bluff, I'll call.


vote: Amb
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[MNOWAX]

what is with the poker references in this thread? :p
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MNOWAX

[3iff]

Dr Venkman tapped his watch in puzzlement. This day had just flown past, he thought. Ah well, sometimes days just go so smoothly that they pass quickly. Now he had another tricky matter to deal with.

The residents sat around while Dr Venkman explained the situation. Amb sat in one of the large comfy chairs sipping a cold drink. Zag and Jedo were playing cards, the others were either listening carefully or reading the papers.

"Well, such a quick, quiet day," he said, "I've had a look at the feelings of the group and we have come to what I can only describe as a shocking conclusion."

He let the words sink into the assembled group, who somehow managed to ignore him almost completely.

"As we all know, it needs at least 2 votes to 'lynch' and that's what we have. I have a very strong feeling that someone can't count." His eyes turned towards the smug Amb.

Amb smugly looked back...and then his eyes acquired a look of worry and shock. He gave a half-choke, dropped his glass and slumped forward. It had been poisoned.

"Our friend Amb had the required number of votes and therefore leaves us." Dr Venkman finally added, "I don't understand why he did what he did."


Player: Amb
Role Name: Marty McFly (Back to the Future).
Role: Time traveller, Town


Chance, the gardener, was later observed dragging a corpse towards the partly filled trench. He was scowling.

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[3iff]

It's morning. Everyone comes down for breakfast, still wondering about the events of yesterday. Nurse Diesel was busy checking off the arrivals wondering if there would be a full quota today. Someone was absent.

She personally went to investigate. There they were lying in bed, not moving.

"Come on, Wake up", she shouted. The sleeping figure moved a little and groaned. "Morning already?"

Nurse Diesel shrugged and returned to the dining room.

It's Day 3, there are 6 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Zag]

Nicely done, whoever prevented the night kill. It wasn't I.

[Jedo the Jedi]

No, that's wasting a Day, and unless whoever stopped the kill last night is able to do it again, we're at Lylo.

So, having thought about it some more, I'm getting a really strong scum vibe from the jadesmar/MNO slot. I know it's hard to distinguish typical MNO, but he came in yesterday guns blazing, accusing first me then Amb. Considering our somewhat difficult situation yesterday, that's a little too cavalier even for him.

vote MNOWAX
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Zag]

It's funny how my first thought was that scum Jedo is trying to keep us from punching through his scum-buddy's fake claim. Then I remembered that I've cleared you myself, and I suddenly saw your post in a completely innocent light: It might be a dangerously bad idea if it causes day to end. I hadn't really considered that, but you're right, it's too dangerous to risk. I'm happy to move on to jadesmar/MNO, who remains my top scum choice.

vote: MNOWAX

(If you are really a gf, Jedo, you've just played me like a fiddle, and I'll be duly impressed.)

Honestly, I doubt Garou would have come up with that claim as a made-up thing. If he wanted to claim, he would have made up something that wasn't so begging to be tested. I'll have to have words later with 3iff about how Bilbo would have been a much better choice than Frodo for that power. (Frodo never intentionally used the ring to escape notice, whereas Bilbo did so frequently.)

[Sentran]

I can only assume that I prevented the nightkill, when I roleblocked Zag. I also think it may be time for a mass claim.

Vote: Zag
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

@Zag: Did you use your doc ability last night and if so, on who?

I'd also like to say who I believe the remaining Scum are. Jadesmar/MNOWAX (shortened later for character limit) and Sentran. J/M never interacts in any way with Sentran and Sentran only interacts with J/M after the failed Zag hammer and after Jadesmar began to be absent.

This isn't all of my suspicion on them either. I choose to believe Zag is town. Since he's town, then Jedo is cleared (unless he's the gf). I know I'm town. TGC has been giving off town vibes for much of the game (atleast to me).

Within the first 20 posts of day 1 I should have seen this earlier. I think Amb pointed to it as well.
Post 8: Sentran says he's withholding his vote during RVS.
Post 10: I vote for TGC randomly.
Post 12: Sentran bores for me. No reason given.
Post 18: I move my vote to Jedo.
Post 20: Sentran gives a reason for keeping his vote on me. (Scum
ove votes more easily then town.)

Have to get to work now.
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[MNOWAX]

haha, that's funny

Jedo - Zag scum team much? Were still at LYLO, why in god green earth would you attempt to lynch Garou? Love the little banter between you. I'm WAY more inclined to believe Sentran on this.



Vote: Zag
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MNOWAX

[Garou_Kinfolk]

I see 3 possibilities as to why there was no NK last night.

1: Zag Doc protected someone and Sentran is lying about being a roleblocker.

2: Sentran roleblocked Zag and Zag is lying scum.

3: The rest of my ability. I'm bulletproof once OR I'm unlynchable once and bulletproof the following night.

I claimed the way I did in order to try and bait the scum into targeting me. I haven't received a message from the mod, so I don't know if it worked or not.

I'm not voting yet because I don't want to end the day without discussion. As it is we were handicapped by yesterday ending early.

I'm also less confident about Zag and Jedo because of how quickly they voted and voting together. Zags vote on me during LoL in order to test my ability is not a town play in my mind.
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[Zag]

[The Great Crep'er]

Holy crap you guys, did you learn nothing from the past two days? We cannot rush this, the previous two times we obviously had a lack of information and accelerating the lynch process only lost us town roles.

There is nothing saying we can't cast observations on one another, but be careful where you place your vote. It's a dangerous weapon.

[Sentran]

I'm not surprised that Zag is attempting to yet again skew this in his favor. The fact is, I roleblocked Zag last night, and there was no night kill. It doesn't seem like a big stretch to figure out where the kills were coming from.

As for the false claim that I've "ignored" jadesmar/MNO this game, I was more than willing to lynch jadesmar after the failed hammer on Zag day 1. That's when I was still buying Zag's line of lies. Now, I feel that he and Garou are leading the wagon of who to lynch. Don't let the town buy in to it.
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[MNOWAX]

[MNOWAX]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

I can't believe I forgot to do this in my previous post.

fos: Sentran and MNOWAX

TGC is right about the votes, but it does link our scum team to eachother. Thanks for making it easier guys.

Zag is also correct about it not being LoL, like I thought it was. 3 to lynch tomorrow makes it LoL then. No NK last night gave us a small reprieve, but I still believe that a mass claim today, with flavor names and results/target list, is in order for today.

Speaking of which, the role info still missing is: Sentrans flavor name, TGCs flavor name, MNOWAXs full claim, Zags third set of abilities, and Jedos full claim. Everything else is accounted for.

@MNOWAX: It reads like your addressing Jedo. I made the same mistake in reading it as Zag did.
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[MNOWAX]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Crap. I forgot about deadlock. I was counting 3 votes to lynch. My mistake.
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[Sentran]

Looking further into the weeds, I thought that Zag's vote on GK and rapid vote switch was an indicator of a scum buddy, combines with GK's willingness to buy Zag's line. Now I'm wondering if that was intentional, and Zag is trying to tie himself to townies so that they get lynched instead of his scum buddy. I'm undecided on who the other scum is at this point.
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[Zag]

I specifically said that we do not automatically lose if we don't lynch anyone today, but we do if we MIS-lynch today.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

[MNOWAX]

no, that's not the case- its four to lynch.
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MNOWAX

[MNOWAX]

let me clarify, it means of the four of us, ( jedo, zag, Sentran, and myself) there is at last one scum. It doesn't clear you both, but it clears that both of you aren't a scum team.
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[Garou_Kinfolk]

*sigh* For whatever reason I keep thinking it's 5 alive 3 to lynch. My apologies.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Interesting developments.

I have one question: who did you roleblock Night 1, Sentran?
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Jedo the Jedi]

I ask because Sentran's answer could help provide another link without exposing too much information about the roles which are still secret. It also may differentiate another connection between players. (He obviously didn't stop the kill, but that doesn't mean much if the mafia can choose who kills.)
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Paragon Tally: 19 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting.

[Sentran]

I roleblocked jadesmar on night 1. Although he had been quiet for some time, I still felt him the next biggest potential scum at the time.

[Garou_Kinfolk]

[Garou_Kinfolk]

Just a thought, since no one seems interested in claiming on potentially the towns last day. Would anyone mind posting their reads of the surviving players? I'm not asking for reasons behind the reads, just "player a seems like Scum/town to me" kinda thing. Thanks.
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[MNOWAX]

I'll list them from town to scum order.

MNOWAX (obviously)
Garou_Kinfolk
Sentran
TGC
Jedo
Zag
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Well, let's just make this a bucket of fun. I think the town potentially has all the pieces to win, but there is conflicting information.

I am Clarice Starling, Cop. I didn't receive a result on Night 1, and I assumed that's because I had been blocked. Anyway, I received a guilty for MNO last night.

Here's what I think: MNO is scum and either Zag or Sentran is. That's the dichotomy I see. I think it is better to lynch MNO now and sort between Zag and Sentran tomorrow. (Get the for sure today and leave the rest for tomorrow.)

Thoughts on Zag and Sentran: There are good cases against both. Zag was scummy Day 1, and his unfolding of his role is something Zag does as scum. (I am a JOAT with cop and doc...actually I had to sacrifice doc to be a sane cop, etc.) Plus, he was supposedly RBed. Sentran may be lying about the block, and some people had expressed some suspicion of him. Garou has provided a reasonable alternative to the lack of a NK.

We should probably talk through some courses of action before we lynch MNO.

(You might suspect me--I already here MNO exclaiming about the plethora of investigative roles--but you'll have to decide that yourself. I have no way to defend against such an accusation.)
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[Sentran]

From least to most scummy, in my opinion...
Sentran
Creper
Garou
MNOWAX~Jedo
Zag

As for a claim, I am Mulan (yes, from the Disney movie). I place MNO and Jedo as potential scum, not sure which is correct. Considering we had a non-standard investigator (confirmed), having a second investigator in a game this size would be strange to me. On the chance that he is in fact telling the truth, then MNO is the second scum. Either way, my vote is staying on Zag. Due to my belief that Zag is scum, I'm not putting a lot of faith in his claim.
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[MNOWAX]