Cryptic Voting - HYDRANT posted

[Elethiomel]

Lost of good clues... can't decide.

[Suspence]

Bump...lots of clues, not a lot of votes. Please vote so we can move this one along.
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[Zag]

I finally got around to checking these out.

I am generally of the opinion that any credible &lit should win over any clue that isn't one. DejMar's &lit version is really quite good, with nothing wasted in the wordplay and a pretty reasonable definition. "Vacillating" is a somewhat odd adjective for a tornado, but not horrible.

The only improvement I can think of, but which I can't get to work (in 30 seconds of trying), is to try to work some form of "destroy/destructive" in there as the an adjective in the definition and as the word for "torn" in the wordplay. But, as I said, I haven't managed to find a form that makes it work both ways.

I am a little surprised to see that my vote broke a tie with that one against my own clue. Maybe I shouldn't have voted.

[Suspence]

[Suspence]

We can call this one. Dej Mar, please select a new word.
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[DejMar]

Okay, new word:

SAND

Now I will have to think of some clues....

[Suspence]

SAND:
The Last of the Mohicans along with True Grit
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[DejMar]

SAND:

A bit of spit and polish. (4)

Reverse engineer genetic encodings for a grain, perhaps. (4)

Entrances to speedway area near Daytona Beach. (4)

[Amb]

SAND The man who puts you to sleep is Polish?

[novice]

SAND: Found in boxes and bags!

[Thok]

SAND: Smooth tan

If I wanted to be incredibly abusive, I could go for Buff! but I can't quite decide if it's legal. Both words mean to polish and a shade of brown, but I think both sand and buff get that definition roughly the same way, by being brown stuff that is used to polish.

[DejMar]

For a more cryptic cryptic for SAND:

A measure of time passing before a grand, older you departs. (4)

SAND // [thou]SAND
clue definition: a measure of time passing before [i.e., in former times] = SAND
wordplay definition: a grand = THOUSAND
wordplay definition: older you = THOU
wordplay word-letters deletion indicator: departs {target: THOU from: THOUSAND}

[Scurra]

I didn't know we were allowed to enter multiple times.

SAND: Find this in the Sahara, Arabian, Neghev deserts (4)


p.s. I honestly thought that winning clue for Tornado didn't work, although I grant you it's a very good try (better than mine, because I had to include too many surplus words.)
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[Suspence]

[DejMar]

If it is finding the "best" cryptic clue for the word, then multiple entries should be permitted. What's the harm? The poll is not a sum of the coiners entries. In fact, limiting the submissions of a cryptic cluer does harm by not allowing one to be as creative as s/he can be. Thus it not only should be allowed, but encouraged.

Scurra:

[groza528]

[groza528]

Personally, I also think that the person choosing the word should not be able to submit the first clue either, if we let them submit at all, for reasons similar to #2-- people choose words to clue based on the potential for clues they see, which gives them first crack at the best ideas.

[DejMar]

[groza528]

[novice]

I create my entry without reading the spoiler tags. That adds some pressure for being original. But even so I agree it's an advantage to get your submission in as soon as possible.

[Elethiomel]

SAND:

Bushmen drive on gravel. (4)

[Elethiomel]

Also, having now looked at the spoilers, I do think DejMar should select one clue to submit for the poll. Four clues from one setter is a bit much. I don't think it will help his chances of winning, but it will overcrowd the poll IMHO.

[DejMar]

As the majority(?) seems to want only one submission per person, I present the selection of one of the two favorites of my own submissions:

SAND:
Entrances to speedway area near Daytona Beach. (4)

Edit Amb: Cryptics should be in invisible.

[Suspence]

I'd say one submission per person should be the rule. If you want to edit or completely change your submission before the poll, that is fine, but each poll should only have only clue per participant.
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[Amb]

Has Dejmar actually been entering? I thought he was mostly posting after each poll went up - until now.

[Suspence]

He posted a few (and I included all of them in the poll) for COLLAPSE, if I recall correctly. I figured if anyone objected I'd make a ruling. No one did at that time, but now that someone has I figured it was time to make a decision.
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[Zag]

I had been assuming that you only took the last submission of any one person. But I don't really care that much: It's not as if we are keeping score or anything. If someone has multiple good ideas, why not?

[Suspence]

[Zag]

Heh heh. I still like my "Fertility god" one.

[Scurra]

If we're only allowed one, then I'd like to submit this one instead:

SAND: Polish George (4)

At the risk of flogging a dead horse,

[DejMar]

The dead horse is ready for the glue factory.

Tornados often rise and fall to the ground, hence they are known to jump locations and spare homes and property that would otherwise be in their path of devastating stir of activity. In addition, vacillating is not limited to just rising and falling to the 'fixed "plane"' of the earth's surface. It can also be used to refer to moving and swaying left and right. (Just rotate the imaginary axis. It's permitted.).

[Amb]

Cast vote to block! (4)

Veto

[Suspence]

SAND poll is up. Hopefully I got everyone's "final" submission...this round was a bit difficult due to all the discussion.
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[Suspence]

Bump...in hopes of a deciding vote.
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[Amb]

I was the third vote on Smooth Tan. Mohicans was already on 3. If you don't get a deciding vote, then I'd say go with Mohicans since it reached 3 first.

[Amb]

Important instructions for Power of Attorney holder? [11]

Significant / Sign if I can't

[Suspence]

Well, we got another vote, but it only complicated things. Hopefully we'll get a decider over the weekend. If not, I may go with the "first to 3 votes" as suggested.
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[Scurra]

I'm interested to know why people like the ones that have received the most votes.
I like the idea behind the Mohicans one, but "True" seems a bit like a superfluous word (unless it's supposed to be a clue to "and", in which case I don't understand it.)
And I don't see how the ! is justified in the Found in... clue, since "sand" is perhaps the last thing I'd expect to find in a box (it would leak out, surely? )
(I ended up voting for the double definition, possibly because mine was a double def. as well, although I think mine was too obscure.)

As for the others:
Bushmen drive on gravel - don't understand this clue at all. I'm obviously stupid.
Entrances to speedway area near Daytona Beach - I'm not convinced that "beach" is a good synonym for "sand"; a beach can be made from sand, certainly (I don't know enough about Daytona Beach specifically, although I know that's only there for the acronym) but sand is not a beach.
The man who puts you to sleep is Polish? - now this one doesn't work because you can't use "Polish" and "polish" interchangeably unless you use it in a context where the upper-case can be used plausibly (as I did.)
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[Suspence]

[Scurra]

Now that's interesting. I never made the "sandbox" association at all, but now that it's been pointed out, it seems pretty obvious.
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