Romnesia

[Amb]

If Romnesia is a clever witticism: Are there any retorts he could have used

eg: Alzbamas

Anyone got any better. (Surely someone must)

[The Great Crep'er]

Clearly, Amb is a Republican. Fauxbama 2012

[Death Mage]

Considering "Obamnesia" works just as well?

Really, it's a stupid little catch-word that one of his marketers came up with hoping it would excite his base. I'm sure it is, but really, anything mocking republicans would excite his base. He could call Romney a pedonazi and it would excite his base. But he's already got the base's votes. And given the direction the polls have been moving lately, I have to wonder if he pissed off the people who's votes he needs to earn with that statement.
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[Jedo the Jedi]

Deep Vein Thrombama?

Oh wait. You want something which refers to a mental lapse, not something which suggests voting Obama will lead to a sudden and unexpected death. My bad.

I actually think "Romnesia" is stupid. Let the election be over, and we can deal with the aftermath.
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[borschevsky]

Mementobama

[Quailman]

Borchevsky!!!!

What's it been? Like four years??

Welcome back!

[Courk]

1. When I first heard it, my initial thought was that "Romnesia" sounds like a country.

2. I couldn't figure out how borchevsky was a pun.

[Amb]

[Death Mage]

It's easy to remember.

Republican. R. Right.
Democrat. D. Dumb.


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[The Potter]

[this looks like a fun game. How about a spiritual turn?]

Democrat D. Doom
Republican R, Revival!

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Buzzsaw]

I don't have anything clever to add, just hope Romney wins. Take that, Mackay!

[Undercover Monk]

Is it sad that I am a staunch Indiana republican who now is refusing to vote for Murdock and Donnely both. Im going to be stuck with the Libetarian (and not the one from Survivor).

It makes me angry to hear someone say God meant rape to happen. And it make me even angrier to hear some leftist pro-women talking head on the news channel tell me I hate women because Im pro-life. Would everyone be ok if we abolished both parties and let people just submit youtube clips to win elections. Like best cat montage wins the president. Most creative Rick Roll is Govenor and Sente seats are determined by best acoustic guitar cover.
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[Jack_Ian]

[referee]

I hope Obama wins, I don't want the USA to become Iraq. If I could vote, I'd vote for BionicDance, though.
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[Jack_Ian]

If you want the Republicans to win, just spread dog-faeces outside the polling booths.

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[borschevsky]

[Mackay]

[Jedo the Jedi]

I believe abortion is not morally good regardless of the situation (excepting certain life-threatening situations for the mother), but I do think our government is established in such a way that it should allow women to make the choice. As long as our government operates the way it does, I think this is the only way it can be consistent. (Though I do think partial-birth abortions should probably be illegal from a consistency standpoint.)

Here are some quotes by Mother Teresa on the subject. While I don't agree with everything in them, I do think they provide good avenues of thought on the matter.

"The so-called right to abortion has pitted mothers against their children and women against men. It has sown violence and discord at the heart of the most intimate human relationships. It has aggravated the derogation of the father's role in an increasingly fatherless society. It has portrayed the greatest of gifts -- a child -- as a competitor, an intrusion, and an inconvenience. It has nominally accorded mothers unfettered dominion over the independent lives of their physically dependent sons and daughters...And, in granting this unconscionable power, it has exposed many women to unjust and selfish demands from their husbands or other sexual partners. Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign."

"If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts...By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world. That father is likely to put other women into the same trouble. So abortion just leads to more abortion. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching the people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. That is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion."

"Please don't kill the child. I want the child. Please give me the child. I am willing to accept any child who would be aborted, and to give that child to a married couple who will love the child, and be loved by the child."
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[Mackay]

While I am not one for using the Old Testament as a moral guide, I think it is germane here to point out that Exodus 21 states that if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach and cause her to miscarry, the penalty is a fine. The penalty for murder (iterated over and over throughout various books) is death. This is mostly tongue-in-cheek, of course, but I couldn't help but counter the religious appeal to authority.

With regard to Mother Teresa's quotes specifically, they are full of very noble-sounding sentiments, but some of her premises are inaccurate or debatable. The idea that a woman who has a child she does not want will automatically become a good/loving mother is pervasive and kind of sexist, as though every woman is just a mother waiting to happen. (I'm touchy about this one; I get it all the time. "Just have one, as soon as you hold it in your arms you'll love it." Or, I could spiral into depression and self-destruction the way I usually do when hormonal swings and drastic life changes happen to me. So worth it.) A lot of the time, people DO step up and become great mums. A lot of the time they don't, and the results are neglected and abused children. At least Mother Teresa tried to look after those too. Republicans, not so much.

I also have trouble buying the idea that there are enough married couples out there that want to adopt. Tying back into the patriarchy discussion, men are conditioned to want to 'continue the line' - fathering children is seen as a hallmark of masculinity. Were the idea of fatherhood based more upon the raising of the child and less upon the making of it, I think there would probably be less of a discrepancy between couples who are willing to adopt and numbers of unwanted children. Until then, people will continue to spend their life savings on IVF and fertility treatments before even considering adopting. I also doubt that Republicans would provide the resources for an adoption industry to be created, because TAXES again. I can hear it now. "Why should my hard work pay for women to get away with the consequences of being sluts?" So... pretty much the same as the abortion argument, really. (The fact that taxpayers do not, in fact, fund abortions is a discussion for another time.)

The reason I have tried to reference these back to the Republican party is that the difference between a major religious figure and a major political party should be obvious. I am absolutely guilty of my religious beliefs informing my political beliefs so I cannot judge on that front, but I don't think Mother Teresa's motives translate well to the actual discussion at hand.

Edit: Jedo and UM, how do the both of you feel about giving women access to birth control - on a contraceptive basis only (ignoring the health benefits hormonal birth control brings to many women)?

[Jack_Ian]

Why does a foetus have to wait to be born to get American citizenship?
If a foetus is a fully recognised human, then shouldn't the location of conception be the deciding factor?

[Jedo the Jedi]

[Mackay]

Apologies, I got a little distracted by the Mother Teresa stuff - it seemed conciliatory/deferential toward the opposite political position to that which you stated. I don't really feel that an anti-choice political stance is justifiable so I argued. =) I did acknowledge your pragmatism upon reading but I think I blurred your and Monk's posts in my mind as I was writing my response.

Given your reply to me, though, I'm not really sure what the Mother Teresa quotes were intended to achieve, given that we basically agree politically. On a personal level I'm not sure anyone thinks abortion is a good thing.

The birth control question was an afterthought, and it really shows in the execution, huh? I was thinking of Sandra Fluke specifically when I was writing. I guess the question should be, how do you feel about Obamacare mandating contraceptive coverage? [Edit: missed a question. Women have access to birth control, but promises of cuts to Planned Parenthood and cries of religious oppression in an attempt to remove contraceptives from being covered by insurance are both threats to that access.]

"Health benefits" was probably a bad phrasing as well, due to the potential side effects, but the pill is an effective treatment for endometriosis and ovarian cysts, and I'm pretty sure it has been linked with a decreased risk of ovarian cancer, but that is off the top of my head so I could be wrong about that last one. The pill also tends to reduce bleeding and cramps during menstruation (and also reduces acne).

I hope this post makes sense. It's late here.

[Mackay]

Just had this Clay Bennett editorial cartoon show up on my facebook feed:



It seriously made me go " HOLY SHIT".

It's a little heavier than I wanted my tone to get in this thread, but it is so scathing and succinct and so relevant to the current discussion that I wanted to share it.

fake-edit: I just previewed my post and went again. Hot damn that is cold.

[referee]

[Jack_Ian]

[referee]

Ah, I understand now. Never mind, then. That's a good question.
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[DejMar]

[DejMar]

[Death Mage]

As a republican/conservative I would rather have abortions performed in a clinic by a licensed professional than in a back alley with a wire hanger. (Though I do believe minors should be required to have parental consent - they are required to for everything else, this is no different.)
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[Thok]

[WomenRule*]

[Death Mage]

If we show stats where women are treated favorably compared to men, will that nullify your argument? Like, oh, deadbeat parents?
Que inevitable bitching about the source while ignoring the content
Or all the scholarship programs designed for women?

How about Selective Service, which only men have to sign up for under penalty of up to a $250,000 fine and five years in prison?
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[DejMar]

[Thok]

[Mackay]

[Mackay]

[Mackay]

Sorry for the triple post, but after I wrote the last one I went back to read the thread from the start, and it occurred to me that Romney quipping about: