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Jet Trails and weather patterns.

 
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Buzzsaw
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: 1 Reply with quote

8:00am: The sky overhead was pristine, no fluffy white in sight. Two commercial airliners held above like toys, miniature models gleaming metal-bright - so tiny they could barely be seen from my ground level spot. What a relief! Finally a day of warming! Tomato plants do not particularly care for the brisk lows offered by my region, and especially living on a creek bed.

Heavy air descends. The evening chill gathers, cool spirits assemble, forming their slow motion ceremonial march - an entranced procession summoned by the marshes and wilderness valleys below. Wispy currents huddle, cradled like a hammock slung between south-ridge copses and tamaracks on the wetland's other side.


Within an hour blemishes were beginning to form. What began as a burning blue morning was now filling with streaky clouds that seemed to be expanding, growing in size. What happened to the cloudless morning? The thermometer reading sat there like a stick-in-mud doing nothing.







This made me curious. Since I could see with my own eyes the phenomenon apparently taking place, the day keeping artificially cool by the travel overhead, it compelled me to investigate. I wanted to find out if any studies had been done, if anyone had researched how jet travel might be affecting weather, and if so, in what way? Are jet planes creating a net cooling effect on our planet? Of course it's widely known that clouds not only block incoming sunlight, but also slow escaping heat.

So what gives? Has anyone read anything about this?
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Jack_Ian
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: 2 Reply with quote

There was some research into this after 9/11.
The grounding of planes afforded an opportunity to compare weather with/without contrails.

I can remember the findings though.
Probably available online somewhere.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:36 pm    Post subject: 3 Reply with quote

According to cracked (I know, reliable), it got hotter. (Their reference is a downloadable file, which my phone won't let me copy the link to.)

http://www.cracked.com/article_20009_7-bizarre-ways-you-didnt-know-911-changed-world.html
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:45 pm    Post subject: 4 Reply with quote

I initially thought you would bring up the old theories.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: 5 Reply with quote

I did read a little bit about the data collected when the planes were grounded back in Sept '01. Was thinking though that 3 days is so little time in the realm of measuring weather patterns that it might not be meaningful.

I don't how much potential this has for much discussion but I thought I would not post all the info yet that I have found, thought that would not encourage much discussion to take place.

I would prefer not to talk about the conspiracy theories, the gub'mint spraying the air with chemicals, since there isn't (IMO) really anything to discuss there at all.

But I don't care if this thread devolves into that, would like to let things take their own course. I figure that if the discussion might go the way of conspiracies, then that only means there wasn't much discussion potential for air travel being responsible for cooling (or warming) the planet in any measurable or significant way.

To make it clear though, I don't believe in any conspiracies concerning planes and jet trails. Only wanted to consider the effects cirrus clouds have - specifically the ones created and seeded by the exhaust from high altitude aircraft. :
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 2:48 pm    Post subject: 6 Reply with quote

Logically I would have expected the contrails to make things hotter.
Energy from the Sun comes as high-energy radiation that can easily penetrate the wispy contrails reaching the ground and heating it up.
The energy from the heated surface gets trapped under the contrails as they provide a small amount of insulation.
This is essentially the premise behind The Greenhouse Effect. Energy checks in but doesn't check out.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: 7 Reply with quote

Combustion reactions create a significant amount of water vapor. If I recall correctly, burning a kilogram of fuel should produce about a kilogram of water. Jet trails are created from this water vapor. This water vapor will also from nucleation points for continued cloud growth.


One of the interesting sides of global warming not rising surface temperatures as much as expected is the negative feedback loop of global darkening. Simply put as the world creates more green house gases a larger percentage of solar rays are being trapped but a smaller percentage actually make it to the surface.
The study was spurred from long term data of farmland water evaporation rates. Farmers had noticed an increase in temperatures but not real increase in evaporation rates.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:23 pm    Post subject: 8 Reply with quote

Jack_Ian wrote:
Logically I would have expected the contrails to make things hotter.
Energy from the Sun comes as high-energy radiation that can easily penetrate the wispy contrails reaching the ground and heating it up.
The energy from the heated surface gets trapped under the contrails as they provide a small amount of insulation.
This is essentially the premise behind The Greenhouse Effect. Energy checks in but doesn't check out.

It does get hotter though on a sunny day vs a cloudy day. Although the heat is escaping its offset by the sun continuing to shine down. And if you spent time obsessing over some tomatoes in a small greenhouse you would know this, Jack Ian! Wink



Scientific American (pdf)
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During the day, the effect of blocked incoming radiation tends to outweigh that of trapped heat, thereby cooling the atmosphere.


The Christian Science Monitor (my bolding)
Quote:
Planes flying between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. comprised only one-quarter of total flights examined. But they were responsible for 60 to 80 percent of contrails' warming effect on temperatures. That's because contrails at night trap outgoing heat radiation.
Contrails during the day, meanwhile, offset their heat-trapping effect by reflecting incoming sunlight.


University of Wyoming
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Clouds cool the Earth by reflecting incoming sunlight. The tiny drops or ice particles in clouds scatter between 20 and 90 percent of the sunlight that strikes them, giving them their bright, white appearance.

From space, clouds look bright whereas large bodies of water look dark. A cloud-free Earth would absorb nearly 20 percent more heat from the sun than the present Earth does. To be in radiation balance Earth would have to be warmer by about 12C. Clouds cool the planet by reflecting sunlight back into space, much as they chill a summer's day at the beach.


NASA Science News [(my bolding) (I included this first part because it was funny!)]
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Clouds may be a delight to children lying in a field on a summer day, letting their imaginations bend the wispy shapes into ducks or boats or dinosaurs.

But clouds can be a real pain in the neck for climate researchers.

To understand why, consider again that summer day: If a big, fluffy cumulus cloud comes drifting by, it's usually good news for hot cloud-watchers. Low thick clouds cast a refreshing shadow and reflect sunlight back into space. They cool the planet and the people beneath them.

..more from same article in NASA Science News(my bolding)
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<snip>..a group of scientists recently proposed an idea called the "iris hypothesis." They suggested that the canopy of clouds over the tropical Pacific Ocean recedes when the water's surface temperature increases. Fewer clouds would open a window through which heat could escape to space and thus cool the planet. Earth, they argued, has a natural response that counteracts rising temperatures -- a bit like an iris in a human eye dilating to adapt to low light.

But does Earth really respond that way?

Wielicki and other NASA scientists used CERES to test the idea. It turned out that such clouds did trap infrared heat. But even more so they reflected visible sunlight back into space. Fewer of the clouds would mean more global warming, not less.

The iris hypothesis was wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:37 pm    Post subject: 9 Reply with quote

Buzzsaw wrote:
Jack_Ian wrote:
Logically I would have expected the contrails to make things hotter.
Energy from the Sun comes as high-energy radiation that can easily penetrate the wispy contrails reaching the ground and heating it up.
The energy from the heated surface gets trapped under the contrails as they provide a small amount of insulation.
This is essentially the premise behind The Greenhouse Effect. Energy checks in but doesn't check out.

It does get hotter though on a sunny day vs a cloudy day. Although the heat is escaping its offset by the sun continuing to shine down. And if you spent time obsessing over some tomatoes in a small greenhouse you would know this, Jack Ian! Wink
If you were as prone to sunburn as me, you'd realise that cloud cover is no guarantee of protection. Cannibal

From what I understood, the properties of the energy coming from the sun and radiating from the Earth's surface were different, so that wispy contrails would not provide much of a barrier to the Sun's rays but could prevent Earth heat radiation from escaping. Obviously you've done the research though, so I'm willing to accept your findings. I was relying on unreliable memories of past findings.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: 10 Reply with quote

Jack_Ian, it is ultraviolet rays that cause sunburn. Their shorter wavelengths are completely unimpressed by clouds and punch right through them. Heat, however, is primarily infrared waves, which have much longer wavelengths and are reflected much more.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:00 pm    Post subject: 11 Reply with quote

I realise that, but the ultraviolet waves pierce the clouds, heat up the Earth's surface, thereby generating lower wavelength waves that can't escape.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: 12 Reply with quote

Jack_Ian wrote:
I realise that, but the ultraviolet waves pierce the clouds, heat up the Earth's surface, thereby generating lower wavelength waves that can't escape.

Nitpick: you said ultraviolet waves pierce but they actually tattoo the clouds.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: 13 Reply with quote

So I spent a few days watching the clouds over central Oregon. The jet trails stay and go on different days-- without much rhyme or reason as far as I could see.

One evening they were showing up clearly but also dissipating quickly. It was like a comet with a trail about the size of my fist at arms length.

Another day I am pretty sure I could pinpoint Salt Lake City on the horizon by the converging trails which lasted all afternoon. This only happened one day in the last week. Yet the number of trails didn't increase as the day passed. They just became ribbon like clouds.

Considering the number of commercial flights that fill up the sky in any given day, I am starting to believe visible trails are somewhat uncommon condition.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:18 am    Post subject: 14 Reply with quote

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The length of time a contrail lasts is directly proportional to the humidity already in the atmosphere. A drier atmosphere leads to a more short-lived contrail, while an atmosphere that has more humidity will lead to longer-lived contrails. However, if the atmosphere is too dry, no contrails will form.

Occasionally a jet plane, especially if ascending or descending, will pass through a much drier or more moist layer of atmosphere which may result in a broken pattern to the contrail, with it appearing in segments rather than in one continuous plume.

Contrails can be found over most of the planet and now that jet plane traffic - both civilian and military - can be at anyplace over the globe at anytime, contrails are becoming more and more common.

Contrails have been recorded throughout the history of jet plane travel.
Many reports exist from World War II of situations where the accumulations of contrails was so extensive that pilots were unable to keep visual contact with neighbor or enemy planes during combat. Contrails have been recorded from the Sahara Desert to the South Pole indicating that contrails are not constrained to only populated regions of the Earth.

If contrails persist for a long enough period of time, say on the order of an hour or more, they can spread out across the sky due to the prevailing winds at the level at which they formed.

Experienced sailors know to look specifically for patterns and persistence of jet contrails for weather forecasting. On days where contrails disappear quickly or don't even form, they can expect continuing good weather. On days where they linger, a change in the weather pattern may be expected.

Cirrus clouds affect Earth's climate by reflecting incoming sunlight during daytime, inhibiting heat loss from the surface of the planet during nighttime, however 70% of commercial jet flights occur during daytime hours.
It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%. Since contrails can spread out and essentially become cirrus clouds, it is felt that contrails may affect the planetary climate in similar ways. Other studies are underway to better understand the role that jet exhaust itself plays in modifying the chemistry of the upper levels of the atmosphere. So I plan on cking into this later, see if there's any new info available, will report it here for anyone else who's interested.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:57 pm    Post subject: 15 Reply with quote

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This was taken by the NOAA-12 satellite as it passed over portions of Europe in 1995.

One can clearly see from this color enhanced satellite image that the atmosphere was very conducive to the development of contrails on this date (April 5, 1995) and that these contrails were long-lived enough to accumulate with many criss-cross patterns over the same heavily traveled portion of air space.



I don't have the stats to back this up but think it safe to say there is greater present-day air traffic than in 1995. In case I did not make it clear from the summary, jet condensation trails are almost certainly changing our weather patterns in the way of creating a net cooling effect - considering the areas of the globe that generally favor the formation of contrails, combined with the sheer number of planes in flight during daytime (over 70% of commercial flights take place during daytime hours.)
(Clouds created during nighttime have potential to create a net-warming effect, as Jack_Ian pointed out earlier.)
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