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jadesmar
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: 1 |
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I need a car but having never owned one, I'm not sure what sort of questions I should be asking or to whom they should be directed.
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Commute to work (40 km/day in very snowy conditions)
Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing and/or insights to offer on the process? |
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Jedo the Jedi
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: 2 |
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Don't buy brand new. It isn't worth it. At the least, go two years old. _________________ Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting. |
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Quailman
His Postmajesty
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject: 3 |
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| Make sure it has front wheel drive. |
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Jedo the Jedi
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:41 pm Post subject: 4 |
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This also might help. _________________ Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting. |
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Zag
Tired of his old title
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:53 pm Post subject: 5 |
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| Quailman wrote: |
| Make sure it has front wheel drive. |
or 4-wheel drive. And just go ahead and buy snow tires. All-weather radials are good enough if you mostly stay on highways and major roads in areas where they clear the snow well, but I'm betting you wouldn't have bothered to mention it if that were the case.
I understand the reasoning of Jedo's comment, about used cars, but I always buy new cars myself. You pay a surcharge for a car being new, it's true, but you also don't inherit someone else's problems. It depends on your finances and your attitude. For cost-effectiveness, Jedo is right, but make sure you get the CarFax, at the very least, and have a mechanic you trust look it over if possible. Don't buy a car that has ever been in a major accident -- they never run right afterwards. A rebuilt engine is not necessarily a bad thing, however.
If you do buy a new car, or if you buy a used one from a dealer. absolutely walk away at least once, even if you love the car. Ignore it when they say that other people are looking at the car, that this deal expires tomorrow, etc. It's all crap. They'll call you back the next day and be more prepared to negotiate. Be friendly but professional, and say that you're not sure it's the car you want and have to think it over. Do not say that you think you can't afford it, because they'll be ready to jump all over the financing and show you how it's only 3 dollars more a month, or whatever.
Check the VIN on the sticker with the VIN on the car. I've seen dealers that replace the sticker to make a car seem cheaper, until you feel committed. Then they suddenly "notice" their mistake. "But it's only a couple thousand more -- you still want this car, right?" The correct answer is 'no.'
When you make a deal, confirm that these are all the charges -- that the taxes and fees are included, and this is the amount you're going to pay. If, when you come to get the car, they suddenly have an extra handling charge, a transport charge, or some such, walk away. |
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Dragon Phoenix
Judge Doom
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:52 am Post subject: 6 |
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Compare the km per liter (or miles to the gallon) between various candidate models - with this commute you will consuming a lot of gasoline/diesel (or gas/diesel) and prices will only go up further. _________________ My photography:
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Courk
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:09 am Post subject: 7 |
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| www.kbb.com lets you put in different things you want in a car and will show you models that match what you want. |
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Nsof
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: 8 |
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Safety is very important. especially if you drive others. Cars have safety metrics.
Insurance is also going to be a cost.
Fuel is a big unavoidable cost over time. _________________ Will sell this place for beer |
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Jack_Ian
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: 9 |
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If it's your first car and you don't have much experience driving, expect to get a few dents and scratches.
My first car was a clunker, and I spent a lot of time working on the engine etc., which gave me a lot of valuable experience.
If you expect to be driving 40km/day though, then reliability may be more of a concern for you.
Rather than buy one in a showroom, you might consider hiring a mechanic and bringing them to an auction house. You can get some really great deals that way. If you have a friend that's a mechanic, then it might only cost you a good meal. |
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itisally
Master of Disguise
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: 10 |
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Nothing beats having a good mechanic to look over a used car.
Also, consider buying from a rental company. We have a Hertz lot here. What is nice about that is that they are diligent about regular maintenance on their fleet cars so you are less likely to inherit problems. But still get the car fax, take it to a mechanic, decide what features are needs and what are wants before you get to the lot.
Also remember to haggle, walk away once and go research that car. What are similar models in your area going for, what is the bluebook on it or, if it is new, what is manufacture suggested retail vs. cost? Start low and then work up to what you really want to pay.
It may also help to have financing ready through your bank first, this puts you in a position of power because you know what you can spend, and what your payments can be going in, and it takes away a salesman’s tool. _________________ I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. |
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jadesmar
Bad Puppy
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:11 pm Post subject: 11 |
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I found out that insurance will be like $100 a month on an Accura.
I also found out that www.kbb.com doesn't really apply to Canadian cars.
I found out that Jeep Wranglers can come with really big tires that would probably be very functional in any snow storm. But has a poor "litres/100 km" value.
I wonder if I can get a winch on the front, but I'd probably end up with the jeep up a tree like in "The Gods Must be Crazy".
Litres/100km can also be represented in square meters for fun (and profit?) |
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itisally
Master of Disguise
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:26 pm Post subject: 12 |
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Just remember 4 wheel drive is not invincible, in ice 4 wheel drive is just a 4 wheel slide... slow steady and no sudden movements.
We had a jeep for a while and loved it. It sure ate gas, but it was easy to work on too and was great in the mud. We also had an Explorer for awhile too. Gas was a little better, the engine had been rebuilt and it was good in sloppy weather. But In Eugene it is mostly slush, ice or water on the roads, not packed snow. Tires are going to make a big diffrence for those things.
My ex had a subaru Legacy (4 wheel drive) that was wonderful in snow (he lived in the hills) and was pretty good with gas. It also sat 5 easily so it was good on trips. But that was a long time ago.
This is going to be tough to balance for you if you need a more rugged vehicle. _________________ I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong. |
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The Potter
Feat of Clay
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:50 pm Post subject: 13 |
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I personally try to buy used Subaru, Toyota, or Nissan cars. They all do well in the wintertime and will last a long time with just a little maintenance. _________________ Artwork | Fractals | Don't ignore your dreams; don't work too much; say what you think; cultivate friendships; be happy. |
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Nsof
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: 14 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| I wonder if I can get a winch on the front, but I'd probably end up with the jeep up a tree like in "The Gods Must be Crazy". |
I'm reminded of this _________________ Will sell this place for beer |
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Jedo the Jedi
Paragon in Training
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: 15 |
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I'm not sure how helpful this is, but maybe it is worth looking at. _________________ Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting. |
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jadesmar
Bad Puppy
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: 16 |
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| Might be a 2009 Prius. |
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jadesmar
Bad Puppy
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:48 am Post subject: 17 |
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| Might be a 2009 Prius. |
Yup, bought it.
First car achievement unlocked! |
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Thok
Oh, foe, the cursed teeth!
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:04 pm Post subject: 18 |
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| jadesmar wrote: |
| Might be a 2009 Prius. |
Yup, bought it.
First car achievement unlocked! |
Second car achievement unlocked, unless you somehow managed to buy a car without a driver's license. |
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jadesmar
Bad Puppy
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:37 pm Post subject: 19 |
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| Thok wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| Might be a 2009 Prius. |
Yup, bought it.
First car achievement unlocked! |
Second car achievement unlocked, unless you somehow managed to buy a car without a driver's license. |
i got my driver's license prior to the patch that added achievements.  |
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Zag
Tired of his old title
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:43 pm Post subject: 20 |
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| Thok wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| jadesmar wrote: |
| Might be a 2009 Prius. |
Yup, bought it.
First car achievement unlocked! |
Second car achievement unlocked, unless you somehow managed to buy a car without a driver's license. |
I had parsed it the other way. i.e. (first car) achievement rather than first (car achievement) |
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Jedo the Jedi
Paragon in Training
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:30 pm Post subject: 21 |
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^ Agreed. _________________ Paragon Tally: 18 mafia, 3 SKs (1 twice), 1 cultist, numerous chat scum...and counting. |
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jadesmar
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:35 pm Post subject: 22 |
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| Zag wrote: |
| I had parsed it the other way. i.e. (first car) achievement rather than first (car achievement) |
Me too, but then I decided to just go with Thok's interpretation because, hey, that works too, and conversation is fun  |
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Dread Pirate Westley
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:39 pm Post subject: 23 |
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| [Something about dyslexia] First achievement: Car. |
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The Potter
Feat of Clay
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: 24 |
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2nd dyslexic car achievement: circles. _________________ Artwork | Fractals | Don't ignore your dreams; don't work too much; say what you think; cultivate friendships; be happy. |
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Pablo
Never Draws a Blank
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: 25 |
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Subaru Outback. Great all wheel drive engineering. I had one and loved it. I got rid of it because it was a tad too small. I'm 6-3 and was comfortable in it, but no room to spare. If you're taller than that or more than 200# or so, you may need something bigger.
They last forever, so you can probably find a good used one with lots of life left in it. _________________ All religions are the same - Guilt....just with different holidays. |
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