Mafia on the Orient Express - alko, MNOWAX, and CTD win

[Talzor]

EBWODP: Vote Amb

[Amb]

Be aware that whoever gets roleblocked, if you arent roleblocking scum, the scum could easily choose not to kill in order to frame someone...

Other than that - I think the plan will work.

For the record/whatever its worth, I'm ordinary town. No abilities. Nada. Princess Dragomiroff.

[Primate]

[CrashTextDummie]

The plan sounds good.

Vote: Amb

[Quailman]

[ralphmerridew]

Vote Count:

amb: CrashTextDummie, Talzor

[Primate]

Don't worry yourself. We'll sort that tomorrow.

[Talzor]

Not to sound lynch happy or anything, but shouldn't you be voting for Amb yourself.

[MNOWAX]

talzor, either this is one helluva plan for leftover scum or this is true. You convinced me me Primate Vote Amb

Tonight i will block Quail.
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The Man The Myth The Legend
MNOWAX

[Amb]

1. Primate, I was agreeing with the plan. Hence why I havent really gone on the attack to find the scum behind it.

2. Primate - Your language in the previous post is simply offensive. There is totally no need to react like this. Scum or no scum, the players are playing here for fun.

3. Why don't you have the guts to vote me yourself? (As Talzor rightly points out)

I think this is the point that you guys need to figure out the game alignment. If this plan does go wrong it revolves around MNOWAX.

[theopholis]

Primate sure doesn't speak like Poirot, but he is right that I am Antonio Foscarelli and that I have a town role. I'll Unvote (if necessary) and Vote: Amb. That's kind of what I was thinking I might do anyway. I'll agree with Amb on one point, though. Primate should put his vote where his voice is (or something like that).

[Amb]

Okay. THis is something I dont want to do, but I should nonetheless.

Primate is outrightly lying when he says the first three mafia were from one group. He is wrong or deliberately deceiving. Phashizzles was part of my original group. My four strong group. To say that the mafia groups are three in size is an outright lie. I might not be going to win this game, but sure as hell I'd prefer a town win to another group riding this out.

Look at Talzor closely. The speculation he was making about the setup is exactly the speculation I was making. I was dead worried about the whole town being scum, and I think Talzor was doing the same thing. (Or was it Theo, I forget)

Yes, I am scum. I don't have a hope beyond today, but I can affect the outcome. Do not believe Primate. Mistaken or lying, his information isnt worth beans.

I suspect none of you will believe me on account of my role, but at least consider that I would hate another scum team to take a victory that isnt deserved...

[Amb]

MNOWAX was also too easily convinced. Don't be surprised if he isn't scum. I was caught short early on thinking that he would be town and I would look better for defending him. Only problem is as soon as that happened he went crazy and I thought Oh crap I have another Leonidas/Mith Situation (The Leo Mith Situation were two players I went frenetic on keeping alive (ie defending) in a game where I was scum. The only sodding bad luck was that they were scum, and once dead, I was tied to them and down I went....)

[Ether]

Good--I was worried that the day was going to be too dull.

But it's obvious that Primate isn't insane; where could Merridew have pulled such a notion from when he received the role? As for a bluff--Primate knew who Theo and Talzor were, and he's Poirot. We're gonna need a lot of counterclaims.

The most helpful information you can give is your role, and we'll have that by nightfall. "Godmother" would be something to take into account.

Incidentally...er, what game was that? ^_^;

Anyway. If Primate's accurate, which I believe, then Amb is lying--and why would he lie? Ominous, if a mafiate still had a partner to protect at this point in the game, with only one scumgroup down. Knowing the Princess, it might be useful to get a nameclaim from Hildegarde Schmidt.

(Alternatively, confusion is just fun to read. "I can affect the outcome" and all that.)

[Amb]

Notably, Theo, Talzor and Primate are all still alive. So how would you know he was right?

Obviously since im going to die, i'm not giving out more info that I have to, but just enough to stop my opposition winning. And of that opposition, I am convinced that at least one of THeo and Talzor is one of them.

[theopholis]

I'm not nearly as convinced about Theo's, Talzor's, and Primate's scumminess as Amb, but perhaps that's just me.

Primate obviously knew my role. This means that he is a cop. I suppose he could be a mafia cop, but I think that is highly unlikely given the storyline. Despite my earlier skepticism, I am now convinced Primate is Poriot. I am also willing to believe that Talzor is innocent because of Primate's claim.

[Amb]

(Incidentally, I'd say its extremely difficult to call anyone more suspicious than a scum who is claiming scum)

[MNOWAX]

i am so freaking confused right now.

Amb youre claiming scum right?

IF you are a part of the four person scum, then that means youre the last one correct? If thats the case, why would you be self destructing now?

Amb, i think you have another reason to sacrfice yourself. I don't know what it is yet, but there is something going on here that is more than meets the eye. Unvote

What the hell's going on here?

Theo, i blocked you last night. What ability did i block if anything? Are you Vanilla Town?

I've got something else to point out about Primate...

[Amb]

(Note to self... Always wait ten posts before confesssing.... damnit)

[Talzor]

[MNOWAX]

we can always lynch him tomorrow. Primate has done way more damage if he is a SK. Amb did you kill last night?
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MNOWAX

[Talzor]

That is a horrible argument. First we lynch confirmed scum and THEN we can look at lynching opportunistic SK's.

[Amb]

Yes I did kill last night.

[Ether]

[Amb]

If you do manage to lynch an SK, then obviously MNOWAX blocks me overnight. Then you might only have to contend with 1 death overnight.

If you leave an SK alive and I do have a partner still in the living, then you have to hope to block him/her or face the risk of 2 deaths...

You know my role, thus you can gain from leaving me more now. You can just off me the next day. Given that MNOWAX will probably block me if left alive, you can concentrate on making this day real productive. And with all the vig talk, if a vig is out there - off I go to my doom

Not that i'm taking a perverse pleasure in my totally screwed over position...

[Primate]

[Amb]

...The cop who has given us 3 living cleared people, thus forcing your info to be unproven.

Like it or not, you stated that a mafia group was extinct, yet I know that this is not true; Yet until I was in a position to confess I could not bring it up without incriminating myself.

[Primate]

[theopholis]

[MNOWAX]

im not doing it. Amb is smart. He knows that i will just block him while we lynch a more destructive person to this game. Primate's dictating the game is to me even more suspicious nnow that i think about it.

[Primate]

Mnowax.

How am I destructive to the town in this game?

The plan I put forward today got the last mafia to claim. How is that harmful in any shape form or manner?

[Talzor]

How can you not think that MNOWAX is scum. He's refusing to vote a claimed scum and trying to lynch a cop? It even fits perfectly.

We have 5 dead scum.
We have 8 living players, 4 of which are innocent. (Your 3 + yourself)
If the remaining 4 are scum it fits with 3x3 mafia groups.

@MNOWAX, do you really think this game has a SK, with this many scum a game would be horrible unbalanced for him.

MOD: Can we have
1) a vote count
2) a prod (and subsequent replacement) of inactive players
3) a deadline

[Primate]

[Talzor]

I don't think he's and roleblocking-SK, as might be extrapolated from my previous post, I think he's a roleblocking-mafia, which seems perfectly reasonable given the other dead scums so far.

[Primate]

[CrashTextDummie]

This day has gotten kinda silly.

Indeed, either Amb or Primate is lying about the size of the scum-groups, and yes, I was surprised to see Primate clear both Talzor and Theopolis, but come on guys! Amb is 100% scum, and he would have every reason to lie.

If Amb is indeed the last scum-member, lynching him will eliminate a nightkill. It's really a no-brainer. If MNOWAX feels so strongly that Primate is the SK, he can block him if he so pleases. It's a terrible idea though, because nothing so far points towards Primate working against the town in any way.

PS:
Talzor - asking for a deadline when none is needed (which is especially true in this situation) is seriously one of the most consistent scum-tells in my opinion. Do you have a problem with the town trying to figure out all aspects of what has transpired today?

[Primate]

Mnowax should probly know that I intend to investigate him tonight, meaning that any attempt to block me will be regarded as a scum trying to hide his scumminess from the cop.

Mnowax, blocking me will be an admission of the fact you don't want to be investigated, and by association, an admission of scum.

just fyi.

[Talzor]

The reason I ask for a deadline is that the 6 active players seem to have decided how to vote. (4 for Amb, 1 for Primate and I don't really think Amb cares about voting at this point), so we're gonna need a deadline to actually lynch somebody (or *sign* some replacements).

[ralphmerridew]

Vote Count:

amb: CrashTextDummie Primate Talzor theopholis
Primate: MNOWAX

5 to lynch, 3 to lynch at deadline

[Quailman]

We need to lynch the claimed scum today.

I'm not certain that Primate is SK, but I am convinced he is scum as well. He has cleared the two most suspicious players, so I suspect that he is in cahoots with them as well. Either way, they obviously can't vote for him. But I think it would be a good idea for MNOWAX to block Primate tonight and see if we don't survive the night without a kill. I don't know how many scum are left, and I don't trust Primate's assertions. I was suspicious of him from his early unpressured claim. If I am still alive in the morning, he gets my vote.

vote: amb