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[Livingod]

Actually, if the theo wagon never began we would have a no lynch. There is already a tie of two votes between Dutters and Moth.
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[Quailman]

I'm all for lynching lurkers on day 1, but Dutters looked scummy enough to hang instead.

[Livingod]

Then vote. I reckon that since the mod didn't declare the day over and we didn't reach the lynch requirement, the day still isn't over.

Whoops, I guess you did vote. My question is, and I ask only out of curiosity, what exactly did Dutters do to merit a lynch? Because only two out of ten actually voted for him.
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[Dutters]

I did unvote but i spelled it wrong, and since your not allowed to edit posts i put it in stars. But to be sure.


Unvote, Vote: Theo
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End of Day Vote Count:

Theopholis- 3 (Josh-oo-wuh, Livingod, Dutters)
Dutters- 2 (Quailman, Lazarusmoth)
Quailman- 1 (Blake Judge)
Lazarusmoth- 1 (Theopholis)
Livingod- 1 (Pete D)
Josh-oo-wuh- 1 (CrashTextDummie)

Not voting (1): Jadesmar

Most votes to lynch.

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As all of you have woken up, everyone looks around to see who has not woken up. Crashtextdummie is lying on the ground. He seems that he had his neck broken by a Pedigree. Pete d is also sandwiched between a folded chair and a table, and has barbed wire wrapped around his arm, and a noticable bit of superglue hanging from the wire...

CrashtextDummie, Mick Foley, Cop, was Pedigreed.

Pete D, Undertaker, Seeker, was put through a table with an Arabian Facebuster

With 7 alive it is 4 to lynch. Good luck!
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[Quailman]

[CrashTextDummie]

Bah, go town!

[Livingod]

Hmm, I'm going to have to agree. The best lead we have so far is vote Josh-oo-wuh.
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[Dutters]

I agree...... FOS Josh-oo-wuh I need more evidence then that.
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[Livingod]

Whoa, hold up. I forgot to consider one fact: that we're only SEVEN PEOPLE! With a starting number of ten, two scum would be 1/5 of the total pop, while three scum would be just short of 1/3. Worst case scenario is we have three scum among us and we lynch the wrong person again today, i.e. we lose. Then again, this is only the worst case scenario. To even it out, the mod could have made more than one scum faction, or perhaps two mafia and a SK to level their numeric advantage over town, if any. Then again, we could always have one mafia faction and a vig to balance out that numeric advantage of the scum.

I didn't mean to speculate this early, and in fact, I don't encourage further speculation of this just yet. I just state this as food for thought, due to the fact that a wrongful lynch at this point might be an endgame scenario.

Soo, unvote.
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[theopholis]

Bah! Lose track of things for a week and I get lynched. Oh well. Go town!

[Blake Judge]

For a start ... heavy FOS: Josh-oo-wuh. As stated, we can't risk lynching him just yet, but he's certainly the most suspicious thus far.

Does anyone know what the 'Seeker' role represents? Couldn't instantly find anything on the MafiaScum wiki, wondering if it would indicate the presence of a cult or somesuch - that'd give us a bit of leeway with this lynch.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

I'll make this short and sweet, because, for once, there's a very simple explanation.

I'll tell you exactly what it represents. He was seeking me, Kane. If he found me, we would become masons. However, he did not find me before he died. I assume I'm just a vanilla townie now.

Here's the thing, outside of the first mafia game I ever played online (or in RL for that matter), I NEVER roleclaim. Thing is, since that first game I have never been in this position (very likely to be lynched), thus I've never seen a need to roleclaim. However, I now see that I have to just to stay alive.

I'm Kane, the one Undertaker (pete d) was seeking. I'm town. Don't lynch a townie. Simple as that.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

Crap. Sorry for the double post, but I did forget to address one very important thing: the cop voted to lynch me earlier in the game.

Frankly, I have no solid clue as to why. A couple of possibilities:

1) I could be a miller (shown to be evil on investigation), and as is the case with most millers, I haven't been told.

2) Crashtextdummie never actually investigated me. He posted twice in the thread (not counting the bah post), and both were quoted by Quailman earlier. As Quailman said, in the second post he gave a rationale, but didn't say or imply anything about being a cop (an understandable strategy.) Since Quailman only posted one sentence from that post, here it is in its entirety (I have trouble doing the formal quoting, so this is copy and paste. Double check by reading post #45):

"I appreciate the thought, pete, but I'm actually not random voting.

Josh's no-lynch vote (which really have no business on a Day 1, as he later acknowledged himself), his asking other people where to place his vote, his tunnel vision (picking 3 players before everyone has even checked in) and his strange voting reasons (going after people only because they already have votes) is enough to warrant a vote as serious as they can get this early in the game."

I later addressed these reasons in post #46. Here is the response, once again, in its entirety:

"Again, yes, the original no lynch vote was a mistake. But I'm learning.

And I never outright asked someone to tell me who to vote. Instead, I was asking for arguments for voting for particular people, since I was being called out for jumping on a bandwagon (a move that has recently become ENCOURAGED.) Apparently, it was, once again, a mistake to ask for a reasoned response.

That leads me to the "tunnel vision"/"strange voting reasons" remarks. It became apparent that people wanted to reach a vote and weren't confident that any logical reason for that vote would come along. In fact, I think everyone here is now in agreement that no logical reasoning will be reached. So, in the spirit of moving things along through random voting, I simply stated who had the most votes at that point, meaning they would be easier to lynch, as random as it would be.

I have come to realize that strictly being a relative rookie to mafia in general has become my biggest handicap in this game by far. But please don't confuse things such as ignorance and inexperience for scum tells.

I will continue to go without an official vote until other people have had their say."

So this leads me to what Quailman said in his last post (not in its entirety, but it's just a few posts up on this page):

"He did not change his vote before the deadline, a clear sign that he was onto someone, in case he got offed in the night."

A clear sign? Could it not have been a clear sign that he just hadn't checked the thread? The guy's made 3 posts in this thread, with the third being the bah post. The second post was made on December 29th and the third was on January 11th. That's 13 days in between! So not chnaging his vote was a clear sign? No, no it wasn't.

I'm a LITTLE suspicious of Quailman for voting me, but he could just as easily be a confused townie, given the circumstances. I understand why you guys think I may be mafia, but hopefully you can now see that the reasoning for that is debunked and I'm a townie.

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[lazarusmoth]

The second sentence should read: "Because if he did NOT INVESTIGATE then any rationale that he found scum (i.e. Josh) would be wrong."

Sorry for the double.

[Quailman]

bah! He did not have an investigation. unvote: Josh

I'll give it a little thought, but FOS: Dutters for now.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

Remind me why Dutters should be a suspect. My brain isn't being very helpful right now, despite re-reading Dutters' posts.

[Blake Judge]

Well, that seems to disprove the theory that CTD investigated Josh before the game started, and a roleclaim of Kane seems likely to be true. Whether he's townie or not is another matter, but I'm inclined to think he probably is if Undertaker was.

In lieu of a better idea, I'm going to vote for the guy that's posted once and never voted - he's either being useless to us or scummy.

Vote: jadesmar

[Dutters]

Never voted you say? probably because he can just night kill. Major FOS: Jadesmar
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[Josh-oo-wuh]

Quailman, I repeat, why are so suspicious of Dutters? Or have we all just agreed to start throwing FoSes around?

[Livingod]

Jadesmar didn't reply to other prods he had either, so I don't think that he's lurking.
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I have prodded jadesmar. he hasn't posted in a while.

on a side note, i have no spacebar again, i need to buy a new keyboard. thank god for on-screen keyboard
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[Livingod]

J&R on Park Row, they got keyboards for five bucks. IF you'll bother to go there, that is...
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That means I'd have to go 250 miles for a five dollar keyboard?

livingod, i live upstate, around syracuse and Rochester.

i have a new aluminium backlit keyboard coming in the mail on monday or tuesday.
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[Livingod]

Omg! When I think New York State, I think New York City. When I think New York City, I think New York County. It's intuitive by now.

And people actually live in Rochester and Syracuse? I thought that only college students and farm animals are there. And of course the occasional DMV. Are you the DMV? I'm uhh, having some license, uhh, "problems." Apparently no parking anytime includes me as well...

Anyway, Jadesmar is NOT LURKING! Don't vote to lynch a lurker. Well, if you do, at least don't justify your vote as a lurker vote.
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[Josh-oo-wuh]

I agree, given the info above. However, that does mean we should be seeking a replacement.

Back on voting, I have no idea. Any thoughts?

[lazarusmoth]

vote: jadesmar

Deadwood. Bah.

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Theo will replace Jadesmar

i am giving him his role, and he will come back in.
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Vote Count:

Theopholis- 2 (lazarusmoth, Blake Judge)

Not voting (5): Theopholis, dutters, Josh-oo-wuh, livingod, Quailman

4 to lynch.
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[Josh-oo-wuh]

Well...

Um...

Geez, I got no clue at all. Anyone? Bueller?

[lazarusmoth]

How about we do a Top 3 People We Find Scummy List. It may be based on what little facts and gut-feel we have so we don't have to be overly logical.

Mine is:

1. Dutters
2. Quailman
3. Blake Judge

Dutters for the reasons I've kept voting for him in the past (see last posts). Quailman for the false assumption and vote on Josh-oo-wuh. And Blake Judge because of gut-feel.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

Well, if I'm going by your list (hell, I got nothing else), seems like the only choice with any real reasoning is Quailman, as the other two seem to be based purely off of gut feel.

Vote: Quailman

Any better ideas?

[Blake Judge]

Well, if we're talking about people that we just ... feel ... are suspicious, this is my list:

1. Quailman
2. Dutters
3. lazarusmoth

Lazarusmoth gets a nod just because I think he's JBL from his posting, who seems like the kind of character that would be scum. I'm going to Unvote regardless, because jadesmar is no longer around an inactive.

Another thing to consider is that when theo died first time, he was a mason. That means there are other masons around who wouldn't have voted for him, Sabu who seems to be a SK/vig, the scum, and non-masons. That's a useful way of looking at the info we have so far.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

True. I'll have another look at things later to see if anything hits me, in light of what you just said.

[Livingod]

Hoooooold on a second. The first time around, Theo was a mason, no? Now that he got reinstated, he already knows who the other mason is. It would only be fair if Jadesmar's role (theo's current role) reveals the alignment of the Jeff Hardy character (Matt's mason buddy) because otherwise it would not be fair. The only two roles I can think of that would reveal the Jeff character's alignment are 1: Jeff Hardy himself (Jeff Hardy knows his own alignment) or 2: a scum (scum know that everyone not in their group is against them).

Even though given our current situation (as I've stated before) a lynch could prove fatal at this point, I will nevertheless take my chances and vote Theopholis to spark discussion. And because there's more of a chance that he's scum than that he's Jeff Hardy.
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That is true. I will reveal who jeff hardy is in the morning. he is nothing other than a mason, just a vanilla townie now, so some people will already konw who he is, or rather who is not Jeff.
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