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lazarusmoth
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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: 121 |
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| Lazarusmoth gets a nod just because I think he's JBL from his posting, who seems like the kind of character that would be scum |
I have noi dea how someone could tell if one is a particular wrestler from his posts. JBL? Me? Does this mean I can brand you now?
I'm also not sure where the particular discussion with theo is going. Should there be a question of what alignment Jeff Hardy (the other mason) is? Isn't he obviously a townie?
I'm also concerned that if theo is now mafia with the knowledge of WHO his buddy is, then mafia have increased their odds of targeting doc or cop by NOT targeting the harmless vanilla townie mason that theo already knows. |
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:48 pm Post subject: 122 |
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I'm the only God of Wrestling. Lemme prove it by whupping livingod's lily-white ass.
vote: livingod |
This was the post that made me think you were JBL, since he refers to himself as 'A Wrestling God.' |
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Josh-oo-wuh
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:12 pm Post subject: 123 |
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| I think Blake's assumption was pretty reasonable, actually. That reads like a role claim. |
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Quailman
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: 124 |
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Sorry to be so remiss in posting. I have a job which is going away in March, so I need to be looking for a new one, but I need to keep doing this one well if I want to get my severence, and it's year-end (at least as far as the accounting department goes). Here's my thoughts:
I erred in my logic on voting for Josh-oo-wuh this morning. I forgot that we started on day as I have no night choice to make. Livingod made the same mistake, unvoting when he indicated that a quick-lynch might result – not when he realized he had made the same erroneous assumption that I did. After I had also unvoted, Lazarusmoth posts his top three, including me for my error. I can respect that, but he conspicuously left out Livingod, who made the same mistake, instead chosing Blake Judge on “gut-feel”. Hmmm…
BTW, it should be noted that Josh-oo-wuh himself made the exact same error when he posted that lengthy reply explaining why CTD might have voted him and not later unvoted.
Dutters agreed with my logic as well, but only issued an FOS, saying “I need more evidence then (sic) that.” Dutters was quick to cast the next-to-last vote on me yesterday, but today seems only willing to issue FOS’s. <--Josh-oo-wuh: that’s why I find Dutters suspicious.
Theo got lynched by Josh-oo-wuh, Livingod and Dutters. As Blake Judge pointed out, none of them would be masons, at least not with Theo, and doubtful that we have more than one group in a game this size. My money is on Jadesmar having been a mason with Theo. How else could you justify using him as a replacement?
And I’d bet that at least one of the lynch-voters (Josh-oo-wuh, Livingod and Dutters) is scum.
The thing I find most suspicious at this point, however, comes from this:
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| Another thing to consider is that when theo died first time, he was a mason. That means there are other masons around who wouldn't have voted for him, Sabu who seems to be a SK/vig, the scum, and non-masons. That's a useful way of looking at the info we have so far. |
I am not familiar with wrestlers’ trademark moves, so I had to look this one up. Sabu is known for the “Arabian Facebuster”, so it’s likely that he killed Pete D. What I do not understand, though, is how anyone would know that he is “SK/vig” and not part of the mafia. I can only think of one way that a person would know that.
My list of most suspicious people right now is:
1. Blake Judge
2. Dutters
3. Josh-oo-wuh
Josh-oo-wuh gets there because he has pressed me to explain why I find Dutters suspicious, even though I did yesterday, and if you don’t find his quick fourth-vote yesterday scummy, then you’re probably scum yourself. I'd bet that whole list is scum.
Oh, and vote: Blake Judge. |
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: 125 |
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How do I know? I know HHH is in the mafia, being my arch-nemesis and all.
And that's the bottom line - because I said so. |
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theopholis
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: 126 |
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| Hello. I'm back. I'll be rereading the thread and posting something substantive soon. Please try not to lynch me before I do that. Thanks. |
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Josh-oo-wuh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:20 am Post subject: 127 |
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My apologies to Quailman, as what he just said makes a lot of sense, particularly the part about the three that lynched Theo (me, Livingod, and Dutters.) So...
Unvote.
So you know, Quailman, I never saw where you explained you thought Dutters was suspicious (until now, obviously.)
I think the Judge vote is a bit much though. It is a question that needs to be addressed, and he's addressed it with a roleclaim. Do I buy it? No idea, but I don't think that's enough to vote for him.
However, your bit about those that lynched Theo (me, Livingod, and Dutters) makes A LOT of sense. One indeed has to be scum. However, I think given my (perhaps ill-timed) roleclaim from earlier, surely I'm above suspicion by now. Go back and read it and I'm sure you'll agree.
To me, that leaves Livingod and Dutters. Dutters has had more heat in this game so far, so...
Vote: Dutters
Meanwhile...
FoS: Livingod
I think Quailman has given some STRONG logic to follow and we cannot give up on trailing these two. One of them has got to be scum. It's AWN! |
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: 128 |
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Vote Count:
Theopholis- 2 (Lazarusmoth, Livingod)
Blake judge- 1 (Quailman)
Dutters- 1 (Josh-oo-wuh)
Not voting (3): Blake judge, Theopholis, Dutters
4 to lynch.
Once again, Matt Hardy's mason partner will be revealed on D3 in the morning. This is to counteract the current knowledge that theo knows. it's my best option given the goof-up i did.
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Livingod
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: 129 |
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I forgot why I was voting Theo, while I try to find why, I have a comment to make: Mod, when you reveal who the other Hardy is, wouldn't that just leave a confirmed townie for the scum to kill?
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject: 130 |
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scum already know who are townies and who are part of their scumgroup. having a confirmed vanilla townie will help the town, i believe. either way, it is not going to be revealed until tomorrow, which means there is a possiblity of the person being lynched, or killed. He Could claim today, if he wanted to. anywho, this is the solution i have come up. The Person that has the role, knows it is going to happen.
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Quailman
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: 131 |
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For all the posting there had been until I posted Wednesday afternoon CST, it sure has gone quiet.
Based on the mod's comments, Theo did NOT replace the other mason.
Based on Blake Judge's "because I said so," I will leave my vote where it is. |
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:52 am Post subject: 132 |
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| I was making a wrestling reference - I am Stone Cold Steve Austin. I couldn't make up this roleclaim because it's a character that's definitely in the game. He is also a clear WWE symbol. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: 133 |
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Blake: That statement is just riddled with wifom.
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theopholis
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:46 am Post subject: 134 |
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Hi there. Just got done reading the whole thread. I found a few things I wanted to comment on. Unfortunately, many of them involve my return to the game after being a mason. I will be careful not to give away who the other mason is. The other mason may reveal himself at whatever point he sees fit, or MNOWAX will do that in the morning.
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| I totally agree with Quailman's post (#23). I have no idea why Dutters would quickly place a 4th vote on with a reason that doesn't make sense. He doesn't even offer a clarifying post afterwards, just something about him "standing by his vote". |
Dutters played this situation scummily. The unfortunate part is that it was early on day 1 when there's really not a whole lot of logic flying around.
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| Josh's no-lynch vote (which really have no business on a Day 1, as he later acknowledged himself), his asking other people where to place his vote, his tunnel vision (picking 3 players before everyone has even checked in) and his strange voting reasons (going after people only because they already have votes) is enough to warrant a vote as serious as they can get this early in the game. |
| Josh-oo-wuh wrote: |
| I have come to realize that strictly being a relative rookie to mafia in general has become my biggest handicap in this game by far. But please don't confuse things such as ignorance and inexperience for scum tells. |
To me, it seemed like Josh-oo-wuh's posts were more rookie moves than scummy play. Josh also got into the habit of defending himself too much, a mistake I made in previous games that just increased everyone's suspicions of me.
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Whoa, hold up. I forgot to consider one fact: that we're only SEVEN PEOPLE! With a starting number of ten, two scum would be 1/5 of the total pop, while three scum would be just short of 1/3. Worst case scenario is we have three scum among us and we lynch the wrong person again today, i.e. we lose. Then again, this is only the worst case scenario. To even it out, the mod could have made more than one scum faction, or perhaps two mafia and a SK to level their numeric advantage over town, if any. Then again, we could always have one mafia faction and a vig to balance out that numeric advantage of the scum.
I didn't mean to speculate this early, and in fact, I don't encourage further speculation of this just yet. I just state this as food for thought, due to the fact that a wrongful lynch at this point might be an endgame scenario.
Soo, unvote. |
Discouraging speculation on the same topic on which you just speculated? FOS: Livingod I don't think it's ever a bad idea to discuss the town's chances against the potential mafia and non-mafia threats. It should be obvious to everyone that we have at least two killing parties in this game as we had two deaths last night. Now, whether there are two mafia, a mafia and an SK, a mafia and a vig, or more is the question. In a 10-player game, multiple mafia factions seems ridiculously anti-town. However, a mafia and an SK or a vig seems balanced enough. I don't believe there would be a three-person mafia and another killing faction, as that, too, would mean the town would be outmatched. My assumption is two mafia, one SK/vig. Therefore, it is still in the town's interest to lynch today, assuming we can find someone worth lynching.
| lazarusmoth wrote: |
| I'm also concerned that if theo is now mafia with the knowledge of WHO his buddy is, then mafia have increased their odds of targeting doc or cop by NOT targeting the harmless vanilla townie mason that theo already knows. |
That's true. That's why I am replacing a town player. You may believe me or not--really, what else would I claim--but that's how it is.
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Theo got lynched by Josh-oo-wuh, Livingod and Dutters. As Blake Judge pointed out, none of them would be masons, at least not with Theo, and doubtful that we have more than one group in a game this size. My money is on Jadesmar having been a mason with Theo. How else could you justify using him as a replacement?
And I’d bet that at least one of the lynch-voters (Josh-oo-wuh, Livingod and Dutters) is scum. |
I agree with everyone else who says this is sound reasoning. As Josh-oo-wuh has provided us with a believable role claim, that makes Dutters and Livingod two prime candidates for scum.
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The thing I find most suspicious at this point, however, comes from this:
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| Another thing to consider is that when theo died first time, he was a mason. That means there are other masons around who wouldn't have voted for him, Sabu who seems to be a SK/vig, the scum, and non-masons. That's a useful way of looking at the info we have so far. |
I am not familiar with wrestlers’ trademark moves, so I had to look this one up. Sabu is known for the “Arabian Facebuster”, so it’s likely that he killed Pete D. What I do not understand, though, is how anyone would know that he is “SK/vig” and not part of the mafia. I can only think of one way that a person would know that. |
Another solid point. Blake Judge responded by saying this:
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How do I know? I know HHH is in the mafia, being my arch-nemesis and all.
And that's the bottom line - because I said so. |
I couldn't possibly have missed the Stone Cold role claim, but I am unsure how that would prove that HHH is in the mafia and Sabu isn't. I agree that based on their wrestling personas, Sabu is much more likely to be SK than HHH, but I don't think the information we have now proves that is the case.
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| I forgot why I was voting Theo |
You were voting for me because you suck. I'm gonna DDT your sucky-ass face all the way down to China, boy!
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| I was making a wrestling reference - I am Stone Cold Steve Austin. I couldn't make up this roleclaim because it's a character that's definitely in the game. He is also a clear WWE symbol. |
Or Stone Cold Steve Austin could be a safe name that the mod gave you in case one of you mafia had to claim. He's one of the most recognizable characters in the WWE and would seem like an obvious choice for inclusion in this game. That's why he would also be perfect for use as a safe name. FOS: Blake Judge |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: 135 |
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Oh yea, I was voting because of the whole mason and replacement thing. unvote. I guess Blake does warrant a vote for his suspicious behaviour and his wifomy roleclaim. Might as well vote Blake Judge.
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: 136 |
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How is my claim WIFOM, or at least - more so than any roleclaim? I was covering the questions that popped into my head when Josh made his roleclaim earlier in the thread.
I wasn't familiar with the idea of a safe name until you mentioned that, but that would seem to be a drawback of any roleclaim.
Also - the reason I know HHH is in the mafia is because it was specifically stated in my PM, not simply because the character is Austin's arch-enemy. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: 137 |
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It still seems strange that you'd say "Stone Cold is definitely a character". Because then the first thing on everyone's mind would be "safe claim". The WIFOM is from that "definitely a character" statement. It could also be made into a safe claim for that very reason, i.e. Stone Cold must be a character, so let's not make him a character. And so on, and so forth.
As for the knowing HHH is in the mafia, if you're lying, HHH will be laughing his guts out. Or, he could just be in your mafia group...
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: 138 |
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Well, as I said, I wasn't aware of the concept of a safe name when I posted that. When I've seen roleclaims before, they only happened because the person was pretty desperate - and the more unusual the character, the less the risk and the greater the suspicion.
I don't really understand your second paragraph. If HHH weren't in the mafia, why would he be 'laughing'? He's definitely killed someone, so he's either a SK/vig who'll have a measure of suspicion thrown on him; or he's mafia. I can only go by what my PM says, and can't think of any reason why it would be lying. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: 139 |
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Well, the thing is, you could be lying. You could be making up the fact that HHH is in the mafia. Perhaps Sabu is the mafia, while HHH is merely an SK/Vig. That way HHH would realize your bluff, hence laugh. Right now, I don't buy your claim. The "i don't know about safe claims" bit is no justification. If you didn't know about safe claims, you would learn once the mod gives one to you. Btw, let's get your full claim. What's your ability?
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: 140 |
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Vote Count:
Blake judge- 2 (Quailman, Livingod)
Theopholis- 1 (Lazarusmoth)
Dutters- 1 (Josh-oo-wuh)
Not voting (3): Blake judge, Theopholis, Dutters
4 to lynch.
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theopholis
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: 141 |
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| Blake Judge wrote: |
| I can only go by what my PM says, and can't think of any reason why it would be lying. |
I'm not so much doubting that your role PM said that HHH is mafia as wondering why it would say that. I've never been town in a game and received information in a role PM regarding members of the mafia. Of course, this information could have been given in lieu of--or in conjunction with--a role ability.
Because of questions I still have to work through about this role claim, I will instead Vote: Livingod for now. The vote is based on Quailman's comments about people on my initial lynching squad and a couple of questionable comments Livingod has made, which I believe I previously addressed. I will keep my FOS on Blake Judge, though.
One other thing, and when I was rereading I noticed a comment I made that I would like to clarify in case there was any confusion.
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| My assumption is two mafia, one SK/vig. |
I meant a single two-person mafia, not two separate mafia factions. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: 142 |
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I believe that Moth has gone AWOL. Why is everyone on GL Mafia disappearing!?
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Josh-oo-wuh
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: 143 |
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| Because it takes about 17 real days to get through one "day" in these games. |
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Quailman
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject: 144 |
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It has gone exceedingly quiet. My vote is where I think it should be, for reasons I've already stated. I don't believe that BJ's role PM gave him that much info about the mafia.
As for moth, he posted a few times more recently in Simpsons Mafia, but that game has gone into night.
Perhaps the mod should PM all the players to try to get this moving... |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: 145 |
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Theo: you only pointed out one questionable comment I made. And right now I will justify that comment. I discouraged talking about the game setup because scum might try to mislead us. Although, yes, I did quite an amount of speculation even though I later discouraged it. I guess it's partly because of guilt; I mean, I was on your wagon and got you killed the first time around. So I figured I needed to share some food for thought about a possible risk that I helped bring upon the town.
And, yes, I did lynch a lurker to (perhaps) save a scumbag. I regret it now. Then again, hindsight is 20/20...
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theopholis
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: 146 |
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| DDT, Livingod. DDT. |
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: 147 |
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| It has gone exceedingly quiet. My vote is where I think it should be, for reasons I've already stated. I don't believe that BJ's role PM gave him that much info about the mafia. |
I was given the character name of one mafia member? You're really grasping at straws now, aren't you? I can't even imagine what would have happened if HHH had claimed and I used this information to accuse him - since that was clearly the intention of the info. |
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: 148 |
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one person has answered their prod one hasn't yet. ill give 24-4 hours.
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Dutters
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: 149 |
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Well I dont know about Judge's role claim but I still think hes town. The only thing thats suspicious to me (for obvious reasons) is Josh-oo-wuh. It looks like hes random voting. Can you give me a reason why you voted for me?
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Livingod
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:55 pm Post subject: 150 |
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Walls of Jericho, theo...
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Quailman
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: 151 |
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Well, it seems to me that if BJ was innocent, the scum could come in and put two more votes on him. They could always blame me tomorrow for having gotten things started.
But they haven't done that, so... |
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: 152 |
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| Or they already have? There might well only be two mafiosi, and you two are looking more and more suspicious in an OMGUS way. |
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Josh-oo-wuh
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:49 am Post subject: 153 |
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Dutters: For your answer, see post 127.
Good grief, this is slow. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: 154 |
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Quail and I believe Judge to be scum because we're know ourselves to be town, and scum should have wagoned by now. Judge believes us to scum for a very much related reason, i.e. Quail and I are scum and we wagoned on him. I see no solution to this by logic...
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theopholis
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: 155 |
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When was the last time the WWE employed logic in its reasoning?
Unvote: Vote: Blake Judge
I don't know if he's scum, but he's on my suspicion list and I'd rather get something going than see this game wither away.
FOS: Livingod, Dutters, and Josh-oo-wah based on Quailman's reasoning, despite the fact that I now find Quailman a bit suspicious. Actually, FOS: Quailman too.
Belly-to-belly suplex, Livingod... |
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Dutters
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: 156 |
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FOS: Quailman Your the most suspicious so far.
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: 157 |
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Vote Count:
Blake Judge- 3 (Quailman, Livingod, Theopholis)
Dutters- 1 (Josh-oo-wuh)
Theopholis- 1 (Lazarusmoth)
Not voting (2): Dutters, Blake Judge
4 to lynch.
allthough it might not be needed, i am placing a deadline.
Deadline: February 3rd at Midnight EST
Most votes will lynch regardless of majority. Also all super bowl bets must be in by then as well 
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Blake Judge
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: 158 |
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Well, I have to vote for someone and in the absence of any singular scummy action, I'm going to go with the guy who's smelled funny from the start.
Vote: Dutters
We're perilously close to losing this guys. If you lynch me and the mafia make another kill tonight, they outnumber us - and that's even without knowing whether Sabu will kill someone. |
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Livingod
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: 159 |
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Oh, BTW. Judge, I don't seem to recall you claiming an ability. Considering that you're at lynch-1, it would be a good idea to claim an ability...
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MNOWAX
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: 160 |
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wldhrtcgd99 Replaces Lazarusmoth
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