Simpsons Mafia Thread GAME OVER

[Amb]

(On a side note, Dutters the mod says "Im bart simpson who the hell are you " - now if this is in relation to the game where the Mod is bart then WLD would be lying. However its a strain at best to imply this, but it should at least be on the peripherary)

[wldhrtcgd99]

Wait one more, I just saw that Amb didnt see this.

Quailman replaced Kennykiller two pages ago

[Amb]

And before I could say anything to save face, Wld corrected me

Unvote

I maintain that a cross claim should NOT happen. If WLD is scum she could draw out the real BS as a target. Although it won't do her much good unless the mafia can day kill.

[Livingod]

I'm still going in accordance with my plan. Right now, Wild has claimed and I am waiting for a counterclaim.
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[Amb]

The thing is, if I pursue something else, I might come up with something again. THis should be the best persuit.

I am also not forgetting that Bart is as likely to be BAD as GOOD. Had wld claimed Lisa or Milhouse or something, then it wouldnt be so hard. Bart is both good and bad in the show. So, perhaps, this is the best plan. Leave my vote where it should be, and start pushing other players to see what shakes loose. In the Simpsons mafia I modded, Homer was scum! So BartScum isnt that unlikely.

An open FOS on Lucresia for lurking.
An open FOS on Josh-oo-wuh who has been too quick on all bandwagons.
An open FOS on Livingod who I suspect for no reason (Since my original primary reason got utterly shredded) (And for suggesting that we should blindly follow WLD when we have NO idea if we face 3 or 2 scum)
An open FOS on Quailman for lurking. Bonus 'townie' points for wanting to do what I said.

Livingod wants us to prove WLD by lynching Unser. That could backfire badly. But lynching WLD could backfire worse if she was truthful all along.

It leaves me in somewhat of a quandry. My gut says Wld IS Scum, my brain says "If gut is wrong, we might have a problem..."

[Unser Giftzwerg]

Well, I went back and double-checked. I remembered right. Wld went from 'gut feeling' to 'strongly reccomend' in a matter of minutes ... and that is the sum total of the evidence.

I understand the game, but you guys speak in jargon that makes me somewhat hesitant at times. Claim forcing, counter claims ... I figured those out I think, but I still don't know what 'then we don't get our night choices' means. Usually I wait awhile to pick things up in context. But now I figure I should speak up even if a bit misguided.

OK, the big deal here is, if I understand right, Wld has divulged his secret identity supplied by the GM. He's also divulged a special ability, specifically, he can act as a "cop" (ask the GM via private message if Player X is a scum) and furthermorehe can do this during daylight, not night like most cops. And finally, wld claim to be Bart Simpson is his form of proof. The presumption being, if wld is not really Bart Simpson, then the player who really is Bart Simpson would speak up, and wld would be exposed as a liar.

Except what happens if wld is lying about being Bart Simpson, and then, a second person claims to be Bart Simpson, but is also lying about it? What I am trying to get at here is the supposed 'proof' wld's word cannot be trusted is the word of another player. It's not proof, really, it's just shifting the assumption of trust one step further down the logic chain.

I mean, I could claim I am Bart Simpson, thank you very much, and Bart's real special ability is roleblocker, thanks to Bart's disruptive behavior? That's not proof me or wld are telling the truth. That's just proof at least one of us is lying.

Point of emphasis: I am not claiming to be Bart Simpson.

Anyway, that is what I gather what you all mean when you flip out the one-word jargon. There has to be somethign I'm missing though, because it seems like claiming to be one character out of, what 50, 100 characters in the series is ... dare I use such a loaded term ... pretty thin odds.

I'd vote now, but I think first I'd like to see an official, unambiguous update. The last GM count was immedeately disputed. I will Unvote now, though, just to be sure.

Well,
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[Amb]

>Then we don't get our night choices
The Mod has introduced a twist in this game due to low number of players. The first two nights will ONLY have night choices allowed IF we specifically dont lynch anybody.

It's odd that you dont understand this, when it was the entire BASIS for my case against Wld.

By summarising the case against Wld as "Wld went from 'gut feeling' to 'strongly recomend' in a matter of minutes ... and that is the sum total of the evidence. " makes me seriously wonder if I should take a page from Livingod's post and lynch you first. Its like you missed the whole point...

The evidence was not the change in character! The evidence is in her claims in direct contrast to known variables about the game setup!

The evidence was initially against Livingod who was 'turning' a Gut Feeling into an outright claim - where it obviously wasn't.

But then a claim came, really from nowhere, and the claim appeared very scummy in a game where NO night choices have occurred yet. This made the claim very unlikely. Day choices in a game this size is and remains pretty unlikely. But now we have Unser who is trying to look cleaner by publicly doubting the evidence, save that he hasnt made a real effort to find out what that evidence actually is.

So to me, today should see one of these two players lynched.

Here are the summarised reasons:
Unser Giftzwerg:
1. Claimed cop has info on this player
2. Possible attempt to appear townlike by questioning the evidence against his accuser. But missed, deliberately or otherwise, the point of the accusation entirely.

WldCgdHrt99
1. Claim building from early on. Posts appear to be in prepatory nature of another claim.
2. Claim of info directly contradicts the fact there has been no night, but seemed to avoid giving out info until it was clear another more detailed 'hint' is needed.

I want Lucresia and Quailmans opinions on these two! Since they are lurking and all. We know the opinions on most of the others. I intend to recast my vote once they have given their two cents worth.

MOD can you prompt these two players please?

[Josh-oo-wuh]

To be frank, I don't even want to bother sorting out this mess until the mod addresses these things that only he can.

[Josh-oo-wuh]

Aw crap.

Piece of advice: always remember to check if the page you just read is the last page before posting a reply. That last post was made when I finished reading page 4. You can imagine my surprise when it appeared that my reply was attached to an entirely different discussion.

Since I have now read page 5, here's my thoughts:

I'd estimate the amount of progress we have made since this game started (in my very subjective view) is about zilch.

I suppose I'm just frustrated with what seems to me to be an extremely sluggish pace that has defined this game. That, and even though I'm all for reasoned logic over random bandwagoning, I feel like if I ever read another point by point analysis on why user 83 is scum because they don't know the quadratic formula that all paranoid cops must use in all games containing a number of players divisible by 5, I might just walk into oncoming traffic.

Sorry, end of the rant, and I do apologize if I have worn out my welcome by doing that, but I can't pretend that I'm having fun anymore.

I'll keep playing, but until I can muster the energy again, I'm taking a far more relaxed approach to this game.

First off, hi, nice to meet ya. Name's Ralph Wiggum and I do nothing but watch you guys do stuff. No, I'm not an investigator, I mean I just read the thread and see who's accusing who now. So, no abilities.

Next up, I'm gonna stick with my vote, cause I just wanna see what happens now.

Again, I apologize for the negative tone, but I needed to get some things off my chest, and I felt it was best not to sugarcoat it.

[wldhrtcgd99]

I didn't want to be forced to claim so early on in the game, but one wrong lynch or really wrong move on the towns part could be game. Then when I got the whole if we lynch right there are no night choices for two nights I felt more comfortable giving more information about my role.

As far as Livingod's part in my claim, I think he was just making the no so subtle hit I tried to make more obvious.

There is no counter claim, and there wont be. I am who I say.

[lazarusmoth]

Unvote for now.

But it's really either unzer or wld for me. I think that's what it boils down to. Now, I'm not real happy with Bart Simpson as a roleclaim as he doesn't seem to be an inherently townish character. I think wld really is Bart. But is he naughty or nice?

At this point, I'm gravitating towards lynching Unzer if no other substantial pieces of information come up. If he turns up scum, then wld is right and a doc should protect him. If Unzer turns up townie, we lynch wld the next day. Plain and simple.

[Quailman]

Sorry to be absent. Things have gotten crazy at work, and my home connection is haywire. I am on this page in catching up. Give me another hour or so to sort out my thoughts. Much has gone on today. I'm sorry it's been without me.

[Unser Giftzwerg]

Setle down Amb. For crying out loud.

'night choices'? Choices? Pardon me into the next county, but I do not recall using the phrase night "choices". If you had said "nighttime abilities" then you would be speaking the jargon I am used to.

Secondly, I do not recall a GM announcement about not being able to use night abilities unless there is a no lynch ... probably because when he made the announcement the jargod did not quite make sense to me.

Thirdly, regarding the 'gut feeling' and 'strongly suspect' comments ... I was not discussing - AT ALL - what YOU considered odd. I was discussing WHAT I FELT to be odd. You can consider all your night choices stuff all you want and come up with all the suspicions you want. I get to make my own descisions too, based on my criteria.

Fourth - I will now go read the rest of your message. The opening was so franticly hostile though, I expect to find more illogical leaps based on the same basic mis-understandings.

[Unser Giftzwerg]

[Quailman]

How can you say nothing has happened? There's been one claim and a serious accusation against you.

Here's a couple of notes I took before realizing the whole discussion would revolve around wldhrt's claim...

[Amb]

SO am I.

Vote wldcgdhrt99

Sorry for the tone of my 'hostile' post Unswer. I get like that sometimes when I post too late at night...

[wldhrtcgd99]

First, I had a different name when I was he before that I can't remember. Much less remember the password.

Second I don't think we have a SK in a game this small because of the numbers. It seems more likely to me that we have a mafia of three people.

Third, I'm female.

Fourth I cant believe you're supicious of me after everything he just posted!

That was REALLY jumpy and aggressive for someone who posted nothing but jokes before hand.

[wldhrtcgd99]

Guys. If you lynch me, then you get no choices and no help what so ever, and it could possibly be game.

If you test my ability and figure out I'm telling the truth it could prove quite helpful for tomorrow.

At least give me a chance here. If I were mafia I think the point would be trying to fly UNDER the radar not being all over it.

[Unser Giftzwerg]

Quailman, I di dnot say nothing happened. I said nothing but prose and handwringing has happened. That is not "evidence" as I personally use the word. It is hunch and supposition. Something does not rise to the level of "evidence" unless it is tied directly to an official GM posting. GM posts are the definition of reality. The GM has not posted an official game event since the original PM mailings. There is, therefore, no more "evidence" in the game today, as there was the day the PMs were mailed. In order to get more hard-core evidence, someone has to dangle. (Or we vote no-lynch.) Again, using the term as defined above.

Amb, it's OK. I certainly don't take anything personally. Posting accusations and such is at the core of the game, after all!

"Hostile" was not the exact word I wanted ... wanted to convey the idea of jumping to conclusions. Especially conclusion-jumps based upon an imperfect understanding of terms after I had gone to some trouble to explain my imperfect understanding of terms.

Mafia is like poker. You might not be familiar with the house rules ... but you still have your basic instincts to fal back on. I think that makes sense.

[Livingod]

Now here's what I think:

I assume the scum:town ratio is 2:6 unless stated otherwise
We have 4 possibilities:

1)Wild is town, Dwarf is scum:
Due to the nature of Wild's roleclaim, I would expect the ratio to rise to 3:5
We lynch Dwarf today, find him scum. Yaay!
Ratio 2:5.

2)Wild is scum, Dwarf is town:
We lynch Dwarf today, find him town. Lynch Wild tomorrow.
Ratio 1:5.

3)Wild is town, Dwarf is town:
This would mean that Wild's role is faulty, and the scum ratio would stay at 2:6, as there is no reason to be otherwise.
We lynch Dwarf today, lynch Wild tomorrow. Find that both are town, aww.
Ratio 2:4. This is the worst case scenario.

4)Wild is scum, Dwarf is scum:
A wierd gambit by scum for Wild to gain our trust.
We lynch Dwarf, find him scum. Yay, I guess...
We hope that we will determine Wild's allegiance later on.
Ratio 1:6. Lowest ratio, but we will need to realize that Wild is scum, hopefully soon.

Three of these paths produce a lower scum:town ratio, while the fourth raises it to 2:4. Although due to the nature of my PM (not role, PM), we may have a slightly strong town to counter a large scum group. I guess, despite high scum ratio possibility, I still follow my logic. As we've gotten a claim out of Wild, unvote, and back to my plan. vote Dwarf.
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[Unser Giftzwerg]

So is there any semblance of a vote count?
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[Amb]

2. Wldhrtcgd99 (Josh-oo-wuh, Amb)
2. Unswer (Wldcgdhrt99, Livingod)
1. Josh-ow-uh (Quailman)

This is what I make it. Wld has reached 4/5 twice and then been backed off. If day was to end now there would be a tie and a no lynch. We cannot afford that. I would rather see Wld lynched because she is less believable. But to prevent a tie in a deadline situation, I will change my vote last minute - IF i am online to do so.

[Quailman]

I meant to unvote with my last post.

unvote: Josh; vote: Wldcgdhrt99

[Unser Giftzwerg]

Then I will Vote: wldhrtcgd99 even though I imagine by doing so I am transgressing some sort of tabu.
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[Livingod]

You know what? One, a Dwarf wagon won't get started anytime soon. Two, my plan seems long and skewed. Might as well back the winning horse and vote to lynch the person with the roleclaim bordering on impossible. This will be the hammering vote if I am right. Whoo, follow your instinct, what can I say? My instinct told me, "your plan will blow up in your face, don't lynch Dwarf today." OK, I'm fine with that. unvote, vote Wild.

Hope it's for the best...
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[Unser Giftzwerg]

Still no progress.

Do all games on GL move at this glacial pace?
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[Dutters]

Thread closed

It is now twilight!


Now for two minutes of comercials.
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[Dutters]

Bart Simpson was riding his(or hers in our case) skatebored when he got run down Mr.Burns. Mr.Burns fled the scene before anyone saw him.


Wld,roleblocker(scum) is lynched.


I feel nice, night choices for everyone whos role permits it!


Please have night choices in A.S.A.P!
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[Amb]

skatebored

[Josh-oo-wuh]

SWEET LADY FREEDOM! WE FINALLY GOT A LYNCH!

...

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!!!

AND THEY WERE SCUM! YESSSSSSS!!!

[Unser Giftzwerg]

Ah ha! The old half-truth ... but still BUSTED!

Progress. Ahhhh.
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[Josh-oo-wuh]

<Rules: You cannot post at night>

Player post removed by a moderator.

[Amb]

GL Games dont usually move this slow, but this is a new moderator, so who knows.

Hopes the mod is coming back....

[Unser Giftzwerg]

[Livingod]

MOD: Please post here within 2 days (or other reasonable deadline) or we will replace you!
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[Amb]

The mod is new, so who knows. The deleted post above was due to game related content. THis game has been anything but boring. Most day ones are random and pointless.

Regardless, if Dutters doesnt come back soon, we can probably find a backup mod to take over.

[Livingod]

Bah! Amb, can you change the signup thread title so it reads "mod wanted"? I'm tired of Dutters' inactivity.
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[Amb]

Done. Id offer to do it myself, but im already modding enough at the moment.

[wldhrtcgd99]

I'd do it but i havent had much expierence.