Homer Mafia: GAME OVER

[superstring91]

EBWOP

[pete d]

you hear a rumour that superstring91 is scum

Expect Mod action soon. Please no posting until I have made a decision.

[pete d]

OK

A massive bolt of lightning shoots down from... somewhere, hitting wizard right in the face. He disappears in an instant; many wonder whether he was ever here at all.

wizard, The Beer Baron, mafia ability manipulator, has been MODKILLED for breaking rules [02], [01], and possibly [13].

raekuul replaces Sniklac16 effective IMMEDIATELY. Nothing personal.

IT IS STILL DAY 2. WITH 7 ALIVE, IT WILL TAKE 4 TO LUNCH[/b]

[TopHat]

Allow me to remind you that with 2 mafia + SK we're still pretty much in LYLO. I would still support a mass-claim. I'd even go first if people want me to.

[MNOWAX]

Ok i think i got this. There is a mafia rumor maker, and i am a good cop. I have already claimed, but i am now a huge target to the mafia, if this is the case..
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[Sefer]

If that's the case, how do you explain not receiving a result yesterday? Surely Amb would have mentioned something if he was blocking you yesterday.
Also, it seems a little odd that you said yesterday that you'd investigate superstring and he's the one that got gossiped about today. I'm having trouble figuring out why you'd do that if you were the source of the gossip, though, so I don't really think it's evidence against you. Just thought I'd point it out in case someone else has an idea about why that happend.

TopHat- good to know that you know exactly how many scum there are Kidding- I agree that in a game this size we can safely assume there won't be more than 3 mafia if there's an SK, and less than 3 also seems unlikely. I've got no problem with a mass claim; if we go that way I think you going first (in that it was your idea) and each person choosing the person who goes next is probably for the best. People could skip in line to counterclaim.

I think deciding whether we can trust MNOWAX is probably the town's first priority for the day. I go back and forth on that; it's definately not a play I'd make as scum (in particular, I was expecting a rumor that someone was innocent today so that he could claim to be insane and get another of us lynched; I consider the fact that this didn't happen ito be a point in his favor), but there are a lot of inconsistancies with his claim that make him hard to trust. If we do trust him, I agree with TopHat that Primo is a likely scum suspect. TopHat, what's your case for Tseirp being the SK?
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[TopHat]

Claim: I'm a doctor. I'm also a miller (bastard mod or not!? ). This is the reason I trusted MNOWAX to be a normal cop (a miller doesn't really make sense if the cop is paranoid).

Next to claim Tseirp.

[TopHat]

[Sefer]

Heh; you probably should have waited to make sure that everyone else was ok with claiming before starting that. Also, the mass claim is unlikely to do much good if you only claim your ability and not your name.
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[TopHat]

Smart Homer

[raekuul]

sniklac, I am replacing you.

[raekuul]

D'OHHH!! silly me needs to read the entire thread next time.

[superstring91]

[Sniklac16]

If I am being replaced for something I didn't really do shouldn't wizard be replaced since was the one who DID do it?
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[Sefer]

If you have a problem with pete's decision, it'd be best to take it up with him via PM rather than in thread. The reason you're being replaced is that bringing this up in thread is a big part of the problem; if you'd immediately PM'd pete and told him what wizard did rather than bringing it up in thread, you could have avoided being replaced entirely.
That said, wizard was modkilled rather than replaced. Most people would prefer replacement to being modkilled, because it doesn't reduce your side's chances of winning as much. As it is, the incident seems to have helped us out; we got rid of a mafia member and we can be fairly certain that your replacement isn't mafia (though he could well be the SK). You should be happy with the results and you probably shouldn't post in this thread anymore.

superstring- Yeah, I think we've realized that we can't really trust the gossip after yesterday. I'm not prepared to trust it again; the only thing that led us to trusting it to the point of a quicklynch yesterday was the cop claim backing it up.

Tseirp, are you out there? Assuming you're ok with the mass claim, TopHat named you as the next to claim. If you're not ok with it, you need to tell us why. The only real concern I had with it was outing a docter, and that's already happend.
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[Primo]

I agree claiming is a good idea.
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[Tseirp]

I have no problem with the claiming. This does me basically no good now, but I am the Potato Man, The Sugar Man's (Josh's) Mason Partner.

As I did yesterday, I feel that most gossip should be ignored, as much was my strategy in gossip mafia. So, I will be ignoring the gossip for the time being.

As for replacing/modkill, I felt that it came down to mod disgression, and Pete D made the right choice as the topic was brought into public spotlight.

[TopHat]

Tseirp, please pick whoever will claim next....
PS: well, he's probably not the SK ...

[Tseirp]

Ill let Primo claim, since he seems to also be up to the idea.

[Primo]

I am Mr. Thompson a 1 shot Night Protected Townie


Ill choose raekuul to go next
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[TopHat]

[Livingod]

bah post.

Why didn't I get a rolename? I was just "vig homer"
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[raekuul]

Of course. You're not going to believe my claim, but here it is. Miller vig.

[raekuul]

almost forgot. I'm Mr. X.

[Sefer]

Yeah, it's tough to believe you when you claim that you're a second vig that just happens to detect as scum. I'm inclined to think that you're the SK; 2 vigs in a 12 person game seems really unlikely, and the miller claim pushes it over the top.
You need to name the next person to claim; I think the only unclaimed people are me and superstring.
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[raekuul]

Well then, sefer... as you are very skeptical of my role claim, why don't you claim next.

[Sefer]

Sure. I'm Homer Simpson, from Police Cops. I'm vanilla. Let me tell you, there's nothing more disappointing than opening up a role PM, seeing Cops in your role title, and finding out that you don't have any cop ability. Pete d can be an evil mod
That leaves superstring.
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[pete d]

Deadline for 1 week from now

this may be revoked if discussion picks up again.[/b]

[Sefer]

Hey, superstring, you out there? We're waiting for your claim to continue.
Mod, you may need to prod him, since waiting for his claim is the reason we're not getting any discussion.
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[TopHat]

I'll prod him.

Vote superstring

[raekuul]

Given the thin Ice I'm already on, I'm withholding my vote until after superstring speaks.

[Sefer]

We may have to start discussing some options without him. I'm normally fine with voting- or even lynching- someone for lurking, but we're not in a position to make mistakes at the moment. If we lynch town, the SK (or miller vig - I'm writing this with the assumption of an SK rather than two vigs ) doesn't target scum, and the scum target the SK, we lose. We may even lose if the scum don't target the SK; does anyone know for sure if mafia win as soon as they're 50% of the town (so that 1 town, 1 SK and 2 mafia would be a win for them) or if the mafia need to eliminate all other killers to be assured of the win? Mod, can you answer this for us?
As such, we need to lynch scum tonight or we lose. If we lynch someone from the mafia, we still have two kills tonight; if we don't get any cross-kills we'll start tomorrow with 1 sk, 1 mafia, and two townies; even if we lynched one of the two scum at that point, the remaining scum would kill one of the remaining town and would win the next day.
As such, we're better off eliminating the SK. We'd only have one kill tonight, which would still leave us in lylo tomorrow (with two scum and three town), but that gives us a better chance at winning than either lynching mafia or town, assuming the worst case scenario of no cross kills.
The only other option I can see is trying to figure out who both of the remaining mafia are right now, lynch one and get raekuul to kill the other, but I don't know why raekuul would feel like following along with our plan when (assuming we did pick the right two as scum) he'd be our lynch the next day anyway.
Just to be clear as to why I'm assuming that raekuul is an SK rather than a vig: if there's no SK, and staying with the assumption of 3 mafia for a game of 12, we have 9 town members. Of those nine, we know that one was a role blocker, one was a vig, and two were masons (one of which is still alive; we can assume Tseirp is telling the truth unless superstring counters). Of the remaining 5, we have claims of a cop, a doc, an un-nightkillable, and another vig. If everyone who had claimed so far was telling the truth, there would be only one townie- and since one is dead, and I know I'm another (cop confirmed, even, which I'll get to in a moment), clearly there are lies out there The vig claim not only adds to the huge glut of power roles already out there, but it would mean that the town had more killing power than the scum- a lynch and two vigs could have finished the game night 1 if properly targeted. Add to that the miller claim, so we can't have him investigated to be sure, and there are just too many odd things going on to believe. vote: raekuul.
As for who our two remaining scum are- Tseirp is cleared if there's no counterclaim. I'm cop confirmed; while I was suspicious about MNOWAX at the beginning of the day (and I'd still like him to try to explain what happend yesterday, where he apparently got no result from his investigation), it does seem really unlikely that we'd have a miller doc if we didn't have a sane cop to confuse us. Therefore, the only way I can see MNOWAX being scum is if TopHat is his buddy. He's either telling the truth, making me confirmed, or he's in cahoots with TopHat, making me confirmed because there's no room for another scum.
The other two scum possibilities are superstring and Primo. Primo seems likely scum both for his behavior yesterday (where a wrong vote count is all that kept him from delivering a hammer with no comment) and his claim looks like a good one for scum hoping to avoid being targeted by the SK. Superstring could well be scum with him, though it will be hard to say without a claim from him; I didn't like his fishing on Amb yesterday. I think these are a more likely pair than MNOWAX-TopHat.
I think our best course of action is to lynch the SK and have TopHat protect our cop. Telling scum ahead of time who's protected means we have no chance of preventing a kill, but it makes sure the cop stays alive to give us results on the remaining unconfirmed so that we can make a more educated decision tomorrow.
That turned into a longer and more rambling post than I had planned. Sorry about that.
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[Tseirp]

Sefer-Ow...paragraphs FTW? (/sarcasm)

I do agree that we NEED to hit a scum/SK today, because chances are if not, we lose the game overnight. We need to press our chances on someone, and hope that they are scum. If they are not, well, we lost anyways. Though who do you think we should go after? Superstring seems awkward with his lurking, and raekull's claim seems very far out there. Though I am willing to not vote this minute on someone, and are willing to wait.

[superstring91]

sorry for the delay guys, i've been kinda busy with work and school, but i will be posting regularly from now on

i am Homer Simpson of SpringShield
cop.
i investigated primo last night because of his vote without reason, and got innocent.

from sefer's last post, it seems to me like raekuul is the SK.
and of course, if the vote is between him and i, i would rather have it be him.

im slightly suspicious of MNOWAX, but not completely. he could be a mafia aligned cop, or there could be two cops. i wouldnt be surprised if it is the latter. ive played in smaller games with two cops, and he may have been manipulated. also, all he had to go on was a rumor.

i think the play today is to lynch raekuul. as it seems like most of us agree that he is likely SK.
i will not vote yet.
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[MNOWAX]

I agree as well. I am not sure here what is going on with my investigations here. I am actually not trusting my Innocent result on you yet, sefer. In my eyes, you are not confirmed yet. I think that it was quite weird that my first investigation came up as gossip, But then he pmed me the second one and then gossiped a third that i didn't choose to investigate. I am not sure how his gossip mafia worked, so i don't really know what made this gossip.
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[MNOWAX]

Sorry for double posting, but Super posted while i was writing my first post.

That is a complete BS claim. All of the other claims had some version of Homer Simpson that was in the series. The two people that have claimed Homer Simpson instead of some version of Homer ( such as Mr. X , Guy N Cognito, etc. ) I believe are scum. Any thoughts to this?
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[Sefer]

Neither Guy N Cognito nor Mr Sparkle were a version of Homer- they were guys that looked like Homer (I dunno what Sugar Man or Potato Man are from, so I don't know if those fit that either). Homer from SpringShield is Homer Simpson from the series, just in the episode that he made his own security company- very similar to the style of the Homer the Sanitation Comisioner role we've seen, just Homer with a job name. Additionally, the dead scum, Beer Baron, was just Homer with a different name, so if scum had a theme it'd have to be something like "Homer in criminal roles."

I dunno how to take superstring's claim, though. Another cop bothers me because it adds to the glut of power roles, but having a sane cop and an insane cop would actually hurt the town as much as help it. It does take me off the confirmed list, so we can only really be certain of Tseirp now.

There are inconsistancies with both your claims, though. Superstring, why didn't you say anything when MNOWAX claimed? MNOWAX, you keep going back and forth as to what the gossip means. Yesterday you voted based on the gossip in 45, claimed it was the mod screwing with us in 54 (something I hadn't noticed until now, and something that seems at odds with what you later claimed) and unvoted, claimed it was your power in 65 and revoted. Today you said you were a normal cop and the gossip was a mafia power in 125 and now you're claiming that the gossip is somehow based on an extra investigation that you never sent in. That's, what, 5 times that you've changed your story? Come on. If you're pro town, double check your PM and/or with the mod to find out if you actually had an investigation before the game started, and what happend to it if so. It's pretty clear that the gossip is something seperate from any cop ability you may have.

I was thinking superstring and primo might be scum buddies (and his claim could be a last ditch effort to protect a buddy long enough for us to mislynch), but we can't really trust MNOWAX either if he can't get his story straight. I'd toss out FoS's, but I'd have to point them at half the town at this point

Tseirp, in that you're someone we can confirm as innocent, it'd be good to hear your thoughts.
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[Primo]

personally my vote is leaning more towards raekuul because her claim is suspiciousand she gives off a bad vibe. but I will wait to vote for now to see what else develops.
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[TopHat]

Let me summarize:

superstring: Homer Simpson of SpringShield, cop (primo = innocent)
TopHat: Smart Homer, doc/miller
MNOWAX: ??? (you still owe us a name), cop (Sefer = innocent)
Sefer: Homer Simpson, from Police Cops, vanilla
raekuul: Mr. X, vig/miller
Primo: Mr. Thompson, 1 shot Night Protected Townie
Tseirp: Potato Man, mason