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Courk
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: 41 |
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Vote Count:
Amb - 4 - (Sefer, Chuck, Tseirp, Livingod)
Livingod - 2 - (pete d, Talzor)
Middle Aged Guy - 2 - (Dented Ford, jesus_saves)
Beartalon - 1 - (The Great Crep'er)
Dented Ford - 1 - (Middle Aged Guy)
Fuldu - 1 - (groza528)
jesus_saves - 1 - (referee)
pete d - 1 - (zorT Kitty)
Quailman - 1 - (Beartalon)
Talzor - 1 - (Quailman)
The Great Crep'er - 1 - (MatthewV)
Tseirp - 1 - (worm)
(Same as the last post, but now it's on a new page.) |
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Beartalon
'Party line' kind of guy
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Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: 42 |
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Wow, 19 of us and 18 have voted, and 8 agree on some people. Maybe it's time for the rest of us to figure out who we should concentrate on or we're in for a long day one.
Amb voted, then cancelled it. I wonder why? |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: 43 |
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| I was going to vote for the first person to post without voting. I thought that was referee until I discovered Ref had an earlier post with a vote. SO I undid it. I havent looked since then. |
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Sefer
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: 44 |
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The only person besides you who hasn't voted is Fuldu, and he hasn't posted yet. You'd better hope he doesn't vote somone, or you may have to choose a different method for picking who gets your vote  _________________ Heroes Mafia Mega signups in progress: http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=12124 |
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Fuldu
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: 45 |
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Even for a game this size, a four person bandwagon is unusual in the random voting phase. Livingod actually says that his vote is for a reason (an obviously facetious reason, but not determined by dice, anyway). I'm inclined to say he's trying to get something started there.
vote: Livingod _________________ "... through a combination of anagrams, wordplay, and trafficking in the occult." |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: 46 |
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My only problem with a livingod bandwagon is that he always seems to get day 1 attention, and this allows the trickier players to stay under the radar where they prefer to be. Example = Fuldu. I can never tell when he is scum and its made harder when he doesnt need to post. This makes analysis harder later on. If Livingod is scum, he will out himself (No offense LG, but you will ) |
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pete d
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 7:00 am Post subject: 47 |
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| Beartalon wrote: |
| Maybe it's time for the rest of us to figure out who we should concentrate on or we're in for a long day one. |
How long did you expect day 1 to last? |
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Fuldu
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: 48 |
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| Amb wrote: |
My only problem with a livingod bandwagon is that he always seems to get day 1 attention, and this allows the trickier players to stay under the radar where they prefer to be. Example = Fuldu. I can never tell when he is scum and its made harder when he doesnt need to post. This makes analysis harder later on. If Livingod is scum, he will out himself (No offense LG, but you will ) |
That may well be the case, but unless I'm forgetting something, this is only my second game with Livingod, and the attention he got Day One in that other game wasn't exactly the sort of attention you're talking about. But if you say that Livingod, if scum, will out himself, then that seems all the more reason to vote him for behaviors that look like scum outing themself.
P.S.: The easiest way to tell if I'm scum is to ask me. In this game, I am not. _________________ "... through a combination of anagrams, wordplay, and trafficking in the occult." |
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Livingod
Never Dead
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: 49 |
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Out myself, eh? Maybe a metagame strategy?  _________________ ScumTube!
Endless Mafia. Replacements constantly needed. |
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groza528
No Place Like Home
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: 50 |
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| If you're trying to convince us that the only way we're going to find out whether you're scum before the end of the game is to lynch you, you might want to reconsider your metagaming strategies. |
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Talzor
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: 51 |
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Unvote Livingod. I've never really liked the day 1 random vote tradition. It seems a little pointless.
Of cource without it I probably wouldn't do a vote Amb right now. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: 52 |
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| ...What a manateedious vote... |
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MatthewV
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: 53 |
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unvote TGC, vote Amb
This puts him at 6.
While it is a shame to have the creative mind of Amb on the speedboat ramp, someone needs to throw a little story to out there.
Well, do you want to talk? Whose side are you on? |
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The Great Crep'er
2% Spambot
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: 54 |
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| MatthewV wrote: |
unvote TGC, vote Amb
This puts him at 6.
While it is a shame to have the creative mind of Amb on the speedboat ramp, someone needs to throw a little story to out there.
Well, do you want to talk? Whose side are you on? |
Heh, I have a manatee in a story I'm currently writing.
Hold the phone, do they actually moo or was that a joke in Courk's sig-nature?
And, Matt, did you first vote on me for absolutely no reason or did you honestly think I was mafia? _________________ Potato. Belgium. Eight. Random Lynch # Mafia awaits. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: 55 |
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| Well, do you want to talk? Whose side are you on? |
A) Of course I want to talk. Why else would I still be on this forum after more than 8 years
B) Town. Duh. Everyone in the game will say that.
FOS Creper for "And, Matt, did you first vote on me for absolutely no reason or did you honestly think I was mafia?". Its day 1. MatthewV can be as convinced as the next person, it wont matter. There is not enough incriminating data yet to actually correctly lynch anybody. I sure hope it wont be me lynched, its been a long time since I've been lynched day 1. But it has to be somebody. |
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Beartalon
'Party line' kind of guy
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: 56 |
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| pete d wrote: |
| How long did you expect day 1 to last? |
As long as it takes, I guess. I was just postulating on how long it will take to come to a majority given how fractured the first vote count was and that no-one really knows anything yet. I haven't played mafia in a long time.
Unvote Quailman
Vote: Amb |
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worm
unregistered
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: 57 |
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| MatthewV wrote: |
While it is a shame to have the creative mind of Amb on the speedboat ramp, someone needs to throw a little story to out there.
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i agree...i don't like the fact that amb came up with this "vote in your post or i vote for you" rule and yet hasn't voted (without cancelling).
BUT!! i would think if amb weren't scum and an ambandwagon started, mafia would salivate over getting rid of him through the first round "random" lynch, b/c he'd be a strong opponent. from the towns pov, it's a crapshoot (much closer to random) to lynch him and the potential loss is great, if it gets that far.
so, unvote, vote Beartalon, b/c of those who voted for amb, he just seemed way too eager. |
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Quailman
His Postmajesty
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 4:44 am Post subject: 58 |
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| I voted for Talzor because he placed the second vote in the game and followed suit with the first vote. Now he's the fifth vote on Amb's bandwagon, so i think I'll stick with him. |
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worm
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:09 am Post subject: 59 |
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good point, q. talzor's posts rate with bearty's. vote livingod 'cause he's an easy target. then when the opportunity to get amb opens up, he pounces.
Fos talzor |
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pete d
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: 60 |
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| unvote, vote: Beartalon |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: 61 |
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I voted for Talzor because he placed the second vote in the game and followed suit with the first vote. Now he's the fifth vote on Amb's bandwagon, so i think I'll stick with him.
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Now thats a line I can agree with...
Vote Talzor
My earlier voting strategy got things moving. Day 1 often doesnt move, but everyone voted so they wouldnt get targetted themselves? Yeah... I really [sarc]regret[/sarc] that decision.
The only other thing that gets discussion going is to argue the various merits of 'no lynch'. Even the mention of it now should get 1 or 2 people rabid about it... |
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Courk
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:12 am Post subject: 62 |
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Vote Count:
Amb - 7 - (Sefer, Chuck, Tseirp, Livingod, Talzor, MatthewV, Beartalon)
Beartalon - 3 - (The Great Crep'er, worm, pete d)
Middle Aged Guy - 2 - (Dented Ford, jesus_saves)
Talzor - 2 - (Quailman, Amb)
Dented Ford - 1 - (Middle Aged Guy)
Fuldu - 1 - (groza528)
jesus_saves - 1 - (referee)
Livingod - 1 - (Fuldu)
pete d - 1 - (zorT Kitty) |
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Sefer
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:30 am Post subject: 63 |
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I agree that Talzor's opportunism is more worth a vote that Amb's opening gambit. I'm more than a little disturbed that we reached 7 votes on someone on page two, particularly since the last 3 votes didn't give any more reason than he had the most votes on him. Take it from someone who was in Homer Mafia, speedlynching Amb day 1 does the town no good.
Unvote, vote: Talzor _________________ Heroes Mafia Mega signups in progress: http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=12124 |
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Talzor
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject: 64 |
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| Amb wrote: |
| ...What a manateedious vote... |
Yeah, it was a rather feeble attempt to try to stir up some discussion, even with Matt and Bear's help nothing much really happened. I guess most people here are to experienced to be provoked so easily. It did give a little though.
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| I voted for Talzor because he placed the second vote in the game and followed suit with the first vote. Now he's the fifth vote on Amb's bandwagon, so i think I'll stick with him. |
If you truly think that a 5th vote is scummy, then why aren't you voting Bear for placing the 7th?
You really think so? Seems more like your piggy bagging on Quails argument.
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| vote livingod 'cause he's an easy target. then when the opportunity to get Amb opens up, he pounces. |
The opportunity to get Amb? Please, even if it had brought Amb to 8 votes he would be nowhere near to getting lynched at this stage. I've always found that kind to misinterpretation of events, highly scummy.
Vote: worm |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: 65 |
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Eight isnt anywhere near to ten?!? I think at eight, I would be getting claim demands from people.
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If you truly think that a 5th vote is scummy, then why aren't you voting Bear for placing the 7th?
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Because he isnt allowed two votes? THe third vote is known to be scummy. THe fifth definitely is because it pushed the bandwagon to the halfway mark and thats where it potentially could become dangerous to me. Its the speed at which it gathered leeches that should concern us all.
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Yeah, it was a rather feeble attempt to try to stir up some discussion
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Gut feeling, Talzor is telling the truth here. I cant explain why I think that, I just do...
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Talzor
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:21 pm Post subject: 66 |
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| Amb wrote: |
| Eight isn't anywhere near to ten?!? I think at eight, I would be getting claim demands from people. |
Allow me to quote a discussion from the recently Sopranos mafia (Found here)
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| he gets to L-1. no scum is gonna hammer. theyll be the dumbest scum ever. |
I could see a scum hammering and having no one vote them because there is no way a scum would be that stupid. After a 1000 revolutions, all we'd end up with is a pointless day 1, with knives drawn like mad on day 2. |
I disagree. It's not really a matter of WIFOM. Just ask the question: What would a townie possibly gain by being the final vote on an early day 1 wagon. Nothing. Hence
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| Gut feeling, Talzor is telling the truth here. I cant explain why I think that, I just do... |
It's probably because I basically tried the same in cops mafia  |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:44 pm Post subject: 67 |
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| ... So are you saying being 2 from lynch isnt close to being lynched ... |
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Talzor
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Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 9:49 pm Post subject: 68 |
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| On a early day 1 wagon. Yes, thats what I'm saying, no sane townies would ever provide the last votes. |
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Fuldu
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:14 am Post subject: 69 |
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| Talzor wrote: |
| On a early day 1 wagon. Yes, thats what I'm saying, no sane townies would ever provide the last votes. |
That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. For one thing, it gives pretty much carte blanche to anyone being bandwagoned to simply ignore the danger of being lynched because, heck, if I get lynched, I'll catch scum that way. It also gives scum carte blanche to bandwagon because, heck, it's not like I was doing anything risky, right?
vote: Talzor _________________ "... through a combination of anagrams, wordplay, and trafficking in the occult." |
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Fuldu
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: 70 |
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Or, rather, unvote: Livingod; vote: Talzor. _________________ "... through a combination of anagrams, wordplay, and trafficking in the occult." |
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MatthewV
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 4:06 am Post subject: 71 |
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| I am content with my Amb vote. He has nicely relieved some pressure with the Talzor target. I still think we need to hear something useful from Amb. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: 72 |
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| Its page two on day one. You join a mindless bandwagon against me, and then expect me to conjure up brilliance to save myself? Anything I say in offense to save myself, will be contrived, and worse - seen in that fashion too - which discounts the possiblity I might be on the right track... |
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MatthewV
Daedalian Member :_
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: 73 |
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| Right. And because you are doing something different, you must be scum. Most normal games lynch a townsman on day one! (Folks, we have our scum in a bag here, and if not, we are in a normal game!) |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: 74 |
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| Most normal games attempt to catch mafia, not just kill some at random before the end of page two... |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: 75 |
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| some=someone |
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Talzor
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: 76 |
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| Fuldu wrote: |
| That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. For one thing, it gives pretty much carte blanche to anyone being bandwagoned to simply ignore the danger of being lynched because, heck, if I get lynched, I'll catch scum that way. |
Yes, they can (and should) ignore it. Not so much because "the catch scum", but because they aren't in any danger. If people gave information in these situation, it would be tantamount to randomly selecting a player at the start of the game and having him claim.
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| It also gives scum carte blanche to bandwagon because, heck, it's not like I was doing anything risky, right? |
Sure, but so what? They have nothing to gain, so let them.
Remember all this only applies to the random wagons on day 1. Which is usually the first 1-3 wagons.
So why do it at all then, you ask? In theory it shouldn't accomplish anything, but in practice it usually does. It usually stimulates discussion, which is really what you need on day one. Just look at Matt's post nr. 71. The only reason I think his town atm is that that post is so scummy, I don't believe a scum would have written it. |
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Tseirp
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: 77 |
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| Amb wrote: |
| Most normal games attempt to catch mafia, not just kill some at random before the end of page two... |
For some reason, that could seem a bit scummy to me, but I'm not sure if thats just my paranoia going along, or you covering up both yourself and/or Talzor that was bandwagon'ed on today.
Unvote. I have not seen anything from anyone that would warrent my vote for them, aside from the random vote that I dropped earlier. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: 78 |
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For some reason, that could seem a bit scummy to me, but I'm not sure if thats just my paranoia going along, or you covering up both yourself and/or Talzor that was bandwagon'ed on today.
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Its my post. I'm in the unenviable position where no mater what I say, it will look like an attempt to save myself, and thus appear scummy.
Consider this:
1. I Lurk: It can be interpretted as trying to avoid the radar
2. I attack another player: It can be interpretted as trying to deflect a bandwagon, and the reasoning will be seen as shaky. The lack of posts so far, because of the earliness of the game, will negate any valid points I bring up.
3. I attack the bandwagon: It can be interpretted as panicking. The bandwagon is fairly baseless too, so there isnt much I can pick it apart on. You cannot disassemble logic that isnt there
4. I attack the bandwagonners: I get accused of relieving pressure (See MatthewV's post)
5. I attack those not on the bandwagon: It would get me voted by those currently looking elsewhere. Not exactly plan of the week if I want to survive.
You see, I cant do a thing without looking scummy now. So I will just stay that way. In the event of my lynch, I can use the time beforehand to draw out the sharks with blood. The presence of blood will make me look bad, but then afterwards, the scum with paintbrushes will not be so happy about what they did. |
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Tseirp
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Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: 79 |
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| But would you always play offensively, attacking other people? You seem to ignore the option of defending yourself, while not lurking and attacking others. |
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Amb
Amb the Hitched.
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Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: 80 |
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The bandwagon is fairly baseless too, so there isnt much I can pick it apart on. You cannot disassemble logic that isnt there
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There isnt anything to defend. The bandwagon came from nowhere. |
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